pedrosa slams michelin at brno

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ravensby @ Aug 18 2008, 06:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>None of these riders deserve to be slammed for talking out about the tire issues. The real question last years was why was Rossi the only one publicly pushing for new tires. The tire situation has gotten bad enough that all riders are now having meetings with Dorna requesting a single tire manufacture and Dani's manager was trying to get all the michalin riders to pull in after the sigthing lap in protest. http://www.motogpmatters.com/report/2008/0...urning_poi.html

The reports say that a few of the Bridgestone riders voted against a single tire rule. I wonder which ones they were?
None of them EXCEPT Dani!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 18 2008, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>None of them EXCEPT Dani!

Dani is complaining about his tyres and its all very familiar, the reaction around here however seems to be polar opposite to last year despite the fact that Dani remains close to the champiosnhip leader than Rossi was, and is the best performer on his inferior tyres when Rossi wasn't at the end of last season.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 18 2008, 11:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dani is complaining about his tyres and its all very familiar, the reaction around here however seems to be polar opposite to last year despite the fact that Dani remains close to the champiosnhip leader than Rossi was, and is the best performer on his inferior tyres when Rossi wasn't at the end of last season.
Actually Michelin have only been inferior for the last three races and really sucked for the last 2. In which Dani:
1) crashed despite appearing to be the only Michelin rider with a decent tyre choice,
2) DNS due to 1),
3) was the worst performer on the inferior Michelins apart from a bloke who crashed and remounted, and then only just.

When Dani was doing well (up to Germany) there was not a clear-cut advantage for either tyre.

Not knocking Dani, just pointing out that I don't think it's fair to say that he's the best performing rider on inferior tyres.

I also do not blame either him or CE for complaining long and loud about the tyres. I seriously hope Michelin get their act back together (they we so much improved at the start of the season that people were questioning whether Rossi had made the right move, remember) for Misano or we will most likely end up with a one make series.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Aug 18 2008, 06:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Of course,what the .... does Greg White know.

I'm not sure he even knows how to wipe his .... Not sure why he has a job in TV. Its really a mystery to me. Are the executives that clueless about motorcycle racing that they allow this guy to continue to make us suffer listening to such a ...... of a man? I guess so.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Aug 18 2008, 08:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's a loose loose situation with Pedrosa on this forum.
We have one tread bashing Michelin for ...... tires and a ...... job and another bashing Pedrosa for doing the same.
Give the guy a brake, he just said what every Michelin rider feel.
Here is the difference. He threatens to do a Hoffman on the arrogant advice of his buttmaster to quit the race and quit the test. Saying Michelin performed like .... is fine, though Dovi outclassed him, but to say out loud he was thinking of quiting the test is tantamount to pouting like a child. This is why the guy doesn't get a brake.

What he should have said is: Michelin ...... up and got it wrong, but he is going to work with them to try and figure something out in this test, he is gonna work extra hard and run extra laps until they figure out the problem. (Something he is not use to doing since he has his lap dog Hayden to usually do this kind of work). .... Pedrosa for being a .....!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Haga @ Aug 18 2008, 07:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ok then if Dani's a little ..... so is Vale for complaining time after time about Bridgestone last year, you lot are biast .......s who need to do research before they slam Dani for doing pretty much the same thing as Vale did last year.
enlighten me

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Traverser @ Aug 18 2008, 08:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It dose a lot of good to complain, and than not show up for testing. Injured or not, what a lazy brat.
Travi, here is a quote that I thought was funny.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I don´t think I´ve ever been so embarrassed- because of the feeling of impotence that I had ... Dani Pedrosa

Surely DP has a right to complain, whinge, ..... or simply criticise Michelin as after all, they play a very large part in the success (or other) of his season.

Whether one likes DP or wishes he would simply go away (seems to be the majority opinion) he is a damn good motorcycle rider but needs all his equipment co-operating for him to be able to perform at or near his best. Surely we can all see that at Brno that was not the case and the tyres were a problem for all runners (not judging the previous rounds).

The shame is that others can state the same and not be lambasted in the manner that DP does as many appear to prejudge.

That said, as another poster has already stated it is only the last three races where Michelin have clearly had problems (and one of those was wet) so it really is to early to judge with finality whether the Michelin era is over as they could just as miraculously produce top quality rubber for the next round.

But, I would expect that as a minimum Honda will have a split garage at Repsol next year (assuming that DP remains).





Garry

maybe dani blames michilin for his injurys and having to sit out laguna which pretty much destroyed his championship hopes. michilin do appear to have dropped the ball "again".

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ravensby @ Aug 18 2008, 10:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>None of these riders deserve to be slammed for talking out about the tire issues. The real question last years was why was Rossi the only one publicly pushing for new tires. The tire situation has gotten bad enough that all riders are now having meetings with Dorna requesting a single tire manufacture and Dani's manager was trying to get all the michalin riders to pull in after the sigthing lap in protest.

This is the reason why Dani deserves all the slamming he gets (and probably alot of that "slamming" cums from his "manager". What they were trying to do is arrogant and not in the spirit of honoring your contract and commitments. Sure, Dorna played favorites by only giving Rossi the Bstones, but I'm sure Dani and his "manager" are not gonna give back the points for those super run-away wins they have had this year (on Michelins). This is why I don't like this duet, because they are arrogant enough to think they are bigger than the sport enough to try and attempt a type of coup on the race. It was not a safety issue (like some of you may remember happened in F1 at Indy). They just didn't want to run what they had brung. Well too bad now. They ...... up when they allowed Ezy to make a back room deal (which they were probably part of) to get Bstones to take on Rossi and split the Yamaha garage while HRC was left to deal with Michelin, and now they must live with the consequences. Pedrosa and A. Puig push for their selfish will and want others to be slime balls just like them. I'm glad nobody joined their defiant pouting plan.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Aug 19 2008, 02:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Surely DP has a right to complain, whinge, ..... or simply criticise Michelin as after all, they play a very large part in the success (or other) of his season.

Whether one likes DP or wishes he would simply go away (seems to be the majority opinion) he is a damn good motorcycle rider but needs all his equipment co-operating for him to be able to perform at or near his best. Surely we can all see that at Brno that was not the case and the tyres were a problem for all runners (not judging the previous rounds).

The shame is that others can state the same and not be lambasted in the manner that DP does as many appear to prejudge.
The difference is he comes at it with an arrogant defiance that they must fix it without his participation. He threats on the advice of his "manager" to park his bike in the race and then on the test. This is beyond "complaining" which as you said, they all have done, and have a right to do, but NOT to say, .... them, I'm gonna sit on my ... in protest until "they" fix it.

Also, Dani has a nack for saying it in a way where it sound like he is disgusted and contempt with for "them" (Michelin). Yet he was on great ... Michelins when he screwed up and pissed away his title hopes on a self inflicted crash. So again, I say I have no respect for this guy.

Its no coincedence that the people on here who are trying oh so hard to peice together reasons to hate Dani are the same ones who hate him no matter what he does, and operate with some of the biggest double standards around these parts.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 19 2008, 12:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Its no coincedence that the people on here who are trying oh so hard to peice together reasons to hate Dani are the same ones who hate him no matter what he does, and operate with some of the biggest double standards around these parts.

Uh oh now you're in trouble!

Psss does any of you have any proof of this supposed boycot? cause it seems to me the usual crap that dani-haters spew regularly. I bet you think Puig atrated the war in Georgia too.

Anyway as a Pedrosa fan I'm not happy this weekend, I know Michelin tyres where crap but you have to fight on, and at least try to win among the Michelin runners, I know it's hard to be at the back when you have the bike and the talent to be at the top but I didn't like his attitude last weekend or yesterday tests.
I'm the first one to ackwoledge it's not the most elegant manners.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 19 2008, 07:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...and operate with some of the biggest double standards around these parts.

amen to that.

whether you hate the guy or not, you can't tell me you don't understand what he was trying to say / do. take your prejudice out of it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Aug 19 2008, 12:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Also, Dani has a nack for saying it in a way where it sound like he is disgusted and contempt with for "them" (Michelin). Yet he was on great ... Michelins when he screwed up and pissed away his title hopes on a self inflicted crash. So again, I say I have no respect for this guy.

Well, most observers consider Sachsenring another .... up by michelin as they "adviced", read pushed, shallow, light rain tires on their riders. This time around HRC were stupid enough to follow the advice with the rest of the teams as oposed to France last year where they went with the full rain tires. You know, one of those "Rossi fans blame it on the tires" races. Funny how those "Michelin did nothing wrong/Bridgestone riders had no advantage" disapeard as soon as Rossi went to BS. Now it's all about control tires and how ...... the Michelins are. Makes you wonder who's the worst: The Rossi Cheerleaders or the Rossi haters?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 19 2008, 11:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>enlighten me

Sorry mate, meant Michelins.