Pedrosa shoots his mouth off again

Gonna throw my hat into the ring here. Pedrosa is without doubt a fast rider, but still unproven in the mix with others as mentioned above. He needs to start winning races rather than win from the holeshot in my opinion, to start to challenge either Casey or Vale as a viable title contender. I think he has a bit to go to start slaggin off Hayboy, who, afterall, has won a motogp title. And thats from the guy who gave the cruisin caretaker a shidload of stick last year. But hey, for all the crap I threw, I like the guy!

Pedrosa has had the wind knocked out of his sails by Stoner. It was widely acknowledged that 2007 title would be between Rossi and Pedrosa. Stoner wasnt supposed to happen!

I think the wee guy can either prove us all wrong this year and win, or the titles gonna get further away. Lorenzo and the 250 gang will all be out for scalps which will be another challenge for Pedrosa and the rest.

Here's to another great season!!


Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Jan 26 2008, 07:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Gonna throw my hat into the ring here. Pedrosa is without doubt a fast rider, but still unproven in the mix with others as mentioned above. He needs to start winning races rather than win from the holeshot in my opinion, to start to challenge either Casey or Vale as a viable title contender. I think he has a bit to go to start slaggin off Hayboy, who, afterall, has won a motogp title. And thats from the guy who gave the cruisin caretaker a shidload of stick last year. But hey, for all the crap I threw, I like the guy!

Pedrosa has had the wind knocked out of his sails by Stoner. It was widely acknowledged that 2007 title would be between Rossi and Pedrosa. Stoner wasnt supposed to happen!

I think the wee guy can either prove us all wrong this year and win, or the titles gonna get further away. Lorenzo and the 250 gang will all be out for scalps which will be another challenge for Pedrosa and the rest.

Here's to another great season!!


Pete

um .... you are aware that Pedrosa knocked, well not the breeze but, a small puff out of Rossi's sails. Or have you forgotten?

Lets face it as the season drew to the latter part it was Stoner ..... gone into the distance ..... then Pedrosa to take the scraps from Rossi.

I think part of the problem is Pedrosa did beat Rossi ..... he's so full of confidence now that he does feel game to make comments on the team dynamic.

Theres just so much talent in the 08 grid, even better than 07 which was a beauty, I think we will see more and more "comments" made by riders as things get very competitive this year.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Jan 25 2008, 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't usually stand up for Dani but:

What year was Nicky developing again? ...oh yeah 2006. Duh, he'd been there for a while

Whose ... did he kick on a regular basis in that season? ...thats right Dani Pedrosa's Wow, Dani was a rookie, it was to be expected

Who was world champ in 2006? ... oh my god it was Nicky Hayden. Did you really expect Dani to be a rookie champ?"i don't usually stand up for dani but..." ha.. i bet pedrosa sleeps
soundly in his crib knowing that phleg. i don't usually respond to
such a childish post but you did such a good job. it almost
looks like a perfect example of a guy completely missing the point
so i'll play along. duh. the point being in the context ( important concept )
of pedrosa's comments about things not going well, i pointed out the
fact that in 2006, when hayden rode the development rcv,
a bike that he was told not to expect to win anything on, in the season
that hrc expected more from pedrosa than hayden, rookie or not, things
went rather well for nicky. so why would, rather how could you back up
pedrosas comments. is it simply a back up job for dani, or a dig at
hayden, or have i missed the point.

I'm simply stating obvious facts, even if Honda did expect much from Dani, Nicky should have beaten him in his rookie year, which he did convincingly.

I'd love to hear if any journos at that press conf challenged ........ on those remarks, It's obvious you have a dislike for him based on those remarks, so, who were you calling childish again?

is it simply a back up job for dani, or a dig at hayden, or is it something else. - Erm, why would I take a dig at Hayden? Look through my post history and you'll see I have nothing but respect for him... something else? Are you seriously trying to suggest it was a veiled dig at you?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Jan 25 2008, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>has the media personality of an empty plastic bag...you're too kind bigal.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jan 26 2008, 10:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>um .... you are aware that Pedrosa knocked, well not the breeze but, a small puff out of Rossi's sails. Or have you forgotten?

Lets face it as the season drew to the latter part it was Stoner ..... gone into the distance ..... then Pedrosa to take the scraps from Rossi.

I think part of the problem is Pedrosa did beat Rossi ..... he's so full of confidence now that he does feel game to make comments on the team dynamic.

Theres just so much talent in the 08 grid, even better than 07 which was a beauty, I think we will see more and more "comments" made by riders as things get very competitive this year.
i still believe yamaha were slow of the mark with the 800 , the bike is still .... its all over the place plus and they are slow when it comes to "closing the gap" on other manufacturers, hopefully this year they can gain some ground back, rossi on stones will it be enough ??? maybe? maybe not?, depends if this years bike is realiable and the stones work well i think rossi can do it if anyone can.
hopefully lorenzo will knock the wind out of dani's midget boat, he will be quick he may even be at the front with rossi, stoner and mc midget who knows.
i think the 800 are totally different to the 990, the 990 electronics were helping to tame a beast and the riders had a bit more say in control, but with the 800 it seems the electronics are taking to much control from the rider and rather than taming "real" agressive power its just giving less skilled rider even more help.
when they went to 800 they should have dropped the amount of rider aids because they did knock almost 200cc off the engine which would make the bike alot easier to ride anyway, its hard to explain what i mean.

what im trying to say is

990 + electronics, the rider had to work harder and use more skill.
800 + electronics, easier to ride and have to be less skilled anyone can jump on and go fast.

if they had dropped the rider aids back for 800's then it could have been more balanced but now they jsut seem to easy to ride around a track.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Jan 27 2008, 12:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>800 + electronics, easier to ride and have to be less skilled anyone can jump on and go fast.

Even if it were true that 800's are as easy to ride as you say ...... I can't see how one needs to be less skilled ...... did any of the riders skill levels drop?? I guess the ones who went backwards may have lost some skill. But to beat all the other riders out there, as skilled as they are, one has to by definition be the most skilled. Even if they were racing steam rollers, the guy in front found something to win ...... that is either an extra skill or improved skills over the others. Thats racing.

I also doubt the Yamaha is "the dog" you imply.

Perhaps we will see that this year with new blood, Lorenzo getting in there. His tests at Sepanf are pretty impressive.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Jan 26 2008, 01:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>990 + electronics, the rider had to work harder and use more skill.
800 + electronics, easier to ride and have to be less skilled anyone can jump on and go fast.c'mon, ask marco melandri what his take is on all this, or james toseland.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Jan 26 2008, 11:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm simply stating obvious facts, even if Honda did expect much from Dani, Nicky should have beaten him in his rookie year, which he did convincingly.

I'd love to hear if any journos at that press conf challenged ........ on those remarks, It's obvious you have a dislike for him based on those remarks, so, who were you calling childish again?

is it simply a back up job for dani, or a dig at hayden, or is it something else. - Erm, why would I take a dig at Hayden? Look through my post history and you'll see I have nothing but respect for him... something else? Are you seriously trying to suggest it was a veiled dig at you?...what? are you actually serious in your defence of pedrosa?
and is that the best you got?

your first statement is confusing. if hrc expected more from dani,
and hayden whips his ... on a development bike, that was
not expected to win a thing, does that not make pedrosa's comment
........ by definition? i'm repeating myself.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skid @ Jan 26 2008, 11:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>you're too kind bigal.

i nearly put "bag of ...." but thats got stuff in it!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jan 26 2008, 02:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Even if it were true that 800's are as easy to ride as you say ...... I can't see how one needs to be less skilled ...... did any of the riders skill levels drop?? I guess the ones who went backwards may have lost some skill. But to beat all the other riders out there, as skilled as they are, one has to by definition be the most skilled. Even if they were racing steam rollers, the guy in front found something to win ...... that is either an extra skill or improved skills over the others. Thats racing.

I also doubt the Yamaha is "the dog" you imply.

Perhaps we will see that this year with new blood, Lorenzo getting in there. His tests at Sepanf are pretty impressive.

yes soz i didnt mean less skilled but the 800's surley are easier to ride?, as for lorenzo yes he was quick but so would have rossi been if he wasnt seting up the yam for stones, wasnt like he could just go out and start clocking the fastest times while setting up, and yes casey did find something to win a perfect package that suited him but that was very lucky and dont think many riders could go as quick as him on the duke but like you say thats racing.
its not just the rider its the team i just hope we have good racing and i can see that happening this year.
lorenzo was setting good times hopefully michelin are gettin there act together but the question is how well will there race hold out.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (crvlvr @ Jan 25 2008, 09:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Comparing Hayden to Pedrosa during 2006 is naive. That year was Pedrosa's 1 st year in MotoGP. I think his performance in his deebut year was better than Nicky's .

On the other hand, Pedrosa should learn to be more civil to his team mate in press conferences.

agreed. on both points. If you look at the facts, Pedrosa is a better rider than Hayden; he has more titles (and forget the crap about lower class titles being less worthy, you have to fight harder for them , just look at the number of different race winners in the lower classes compared to the number in the big class if you exclude exceptions like Lorenzo and Bautista) anyway, Dani has more top class wins, a better rookie season, a better second season more podiums, the list goes on...

however, Dani isnt exactly the most complimentary guy on the planet and his comments in press conferences, especially regarding his team mate, however true or not they may be, could be put better. Nicky is still a good rider and one bad year doesnt give Dani the right to effectively say otherwise.

It's obvious to me that there is a mutual tolerance/ dislke even between the teammates, its just Hayden knows when to keep his mouth shut, take this year with Honda, i'm sure he would have liked no more than to say what a pile of crap his bike was, but he didnt.

it basically comes down to a clash of personalities.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Jan 26 2008, 10:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>um .... you are aware that Pedrosa knocked, well not the breeze but, a small puff out of Rossi's sails. Or have you forgotten?

Lets face it as the season drew to the latter part it was Stoner ..... gone into the distance ..... then Pedrosa to take the scraps from Rossi.

I think part of the problem is Pedrosa did beat Rossi ..... he's so full of confidence now that he does feel game to make comments on the team dynamic.

Theres just so much talent in the 08 grid, even better than 07 which was a beauty, I think we will see more and more "comments" made by riders as things get very competitive this year.


I'm very well aware that Dani finished second last season. My point is based around the fact that he wins fae the front, and is not proven for winning in a head to head , mid pack dice in his MotoGP years. After all, he was HRC's chosen one, which is often seen as a ticket to the top, and didn't deliver.

Just out of interest how many mechanical DNFs did the wee guy have compared to Vale? that may tell a story......

Now bear in mind that I have not seen the alleged comments other than what has been written here, nor do I know the context or language used.

But, could a lot of this be a 'mis undertanding' of the comments?

When other riders make comments we often hear the 'lost in translation' type arguments, so why because it is DP must we believe that he has indeed intended the comments? Or is it because the comments were aimed at NH?

I actually feel that DP would have intended a dig at NH and within his mind he is perfectly entitled to do so, but as has been said elsewhere there is a time and place to speak, and a time and place to shut up.







Garry

Everyone keeps harrpin or about Pedrosa not really being expected to win the WC in his debut year, but him came close blah, blah.
If I remember rightly Max Biaggi barely lost the 500cc WC in his debut year ? Which was one by cadalora ?
Please correct me if Iam wrong anywhere !

Max + Dani = Two peas in one pod !

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dion @ Jan 26 2008, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If I remember rightly Max Biaggi barely lost the 500cc WC in his debut year ? Which was one by cadalora ?
Please correct me if Iam wrong anywhere !

Max + Dani = Two peas in one pod !



Cadaloro never won the 500cc Championship.

Max's debut season was during the Doohan and Max did do remarkably well and win his debut 500cc GP.





Garry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ Jan 25 2008, 09:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If I could get a plane ticket to Sepang I'd be there as quick as possible to rip Dani a new ........

You read all the time and hear all the time about racers hurting a team and killing a team. This is just another case. Dani is the guy who only thinks about himslef and for what is best for him and not the team. Nicky is a team player. Dani wants to be numer one on Honda's team and with Nicky there he is pissed off and will do everything to get his way. Another reason I dislike Dani Pedrosa. He will kill Honda and ulitmatley get Nicky fired and end the team's competitivness. As long as Dani Pedrosa keeps running his mouth, he will bring Yamaha, Suzuki, Ducati, and Kawasaki closer to ending Honda's rein as the team with all the technological and innovations in MotoGP. He is single handed bringing Honda down, and the Honda lets it happen because of his talent and abilities on a bike.

Dani is a great rider, don't get me wrong, but he has an ego issue and an the whiner complex that would fit him much better in F1 than MotoGP.
dont be such a drama queen it's all mind games, all's fair in love war and motorsports so they say.
dani is being smug because he got 2nd and nicky came know where.
i say let the riding do the talking, roll on 08 then we will see who is full of .....

[quote name='Gaz' date='Jan 26 2008, 09:38 PM' post='108836']
Cadaloro never won the 500cc Championship.

Max's debut season was during the Doohan and Max did do remarkably well and win his debut 500cc GP.





Sorry, I did mean crivelle, or however you spell it !! Max finished 2nd I think to either doohan or crivelle in either 98 or 99 ?

Alex Criville won the 1999 WC.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Jan 27 2008, 07:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Just out of interest how many mechanical DNFs did the wee guy have compared to Vale? that may tell a story......

hmmmmm .......... take away one from Yamaha which was due to Rossi wanting to run an untested proto-pneumo-valved engine ......... can't blame the mechanicals for that .... he was told quite frankly that it was not ready ...... kinda like if I decided to do the Dakar on one of these fledgling new chinese scooters we see, terrorists or not I would have blown up


and

do you count the French declaring Dani the "Rainbow Warrior 2", and torpedoing him ........ as a mechanical failure?? ..... his bike looked a bit broke after that