Pedrosa heads home early

I'm not surprised if HRC brings Bridgestone to their garage next year

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#46 @ Aug 19 2008, 11:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not surprised if HRC brings Bridgestone to their garage next year Looks like it. Testing at a track will only help the tire company gain insight into what will work better next year at the same t track. No point in Pedrosa risking injury to help Michelin out.

I think it's pretty obvious Pedrosa doesn't have Nicky's dedication to the sport. He is also incapable of riding through serious problems.

That said, I don't blame him for leaving. Michelin are useless on resurfaced tracks (or maybe useless in general) and I suspect they will not be around next season. Honda are also useless.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Aug 19 2008, 08:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>LINK


Thoughts on this one??

I am pretty biased against Danny but what the hell is he doing. There is a bunch of hard work to be done and it doesn't all include tire testing. CE was able to improve his times during the testing on the new rubber brought in. Danny gave it 11 laps then called it quits. I wonder who made the call, him or Honda. Tady said the bike improved a lot since his last test so Nicky must have been doing something. He also said the bike is ready and really was hoping to see Dani on it. Not usre if Danni is crying away this season because it is lost to him or what.
I don't know ,i'm biased against him too.Maybe he tried to make a statement for the governing parts to push for Bridgestones.But didn't he say he was happy with Michelins when Hayden wanted Bridgestones,not sure.
He could be hurting from his injuries,or Honda told him to make a statement,could be a lot of things.
It could be that Honda didn't want him to go out and do crappy laptimes on their newest shiniest machine making every body wonder about HRC.Or he is a primadonna.

Sorry to posted it here, but not only Pedrosa furious with the French :

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sp...s/?R=EPI-102389

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#46 @ Aug 19 2008, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry to posted it here, but not only Pedrosa furious with the French :

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sp...s/?R=EPI-102389

That's not the point. Everyone has had choice words for Michelin especially Nicky and Colin.

However, neither of them left testing early.

............but Nicky's not at BRNO blah blah blah

Save it. He's had plenty of chances to walk and he hasn't. Unless you believe he is faking this foot injury in an attempt to sit out the remainder of the season.

The test was rescheduled to give time Michelin to make some tyres that will actually work, there's no point in running around with useless tyres, today there were just 2 Michelin riders testing cause it's obvious they still are running the same .... Michelin had for the race.

You don't gain any testing knowledge lapping 3 seconds off the pace, it's the most sensible idea to leave it for better moment.

About dedication ... well Dani rode a race in pain suffering to get one ...... point that will most likely wont be useful for nothing, he went to Laguna despite Doctors told him you wontbe able to race, he wanted to try. So IMO his determination to is beyond doubts. What Michelin was doing in this test is WASTING their riders time. No point in testing something you've already seen doesn´t work during the weekend. As usual Dani haters taking a dig at Dani for anything he does ... so sad.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Aug 19 2008, 01:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>About dedication ... well Dani rode a race in pain suffering to get one ...... point that will most likely wont be useful for nothing, he went to Laguna despite Doctors told him you wontbe able to race, he wanted to try. So IMO his determination to is beyond doubts. What Michelin was doing in this test is WASTING their riders time. No point in testing something you've already seen doesn´t work during the weekend. As usual Dani haters taking a dig at Dani for anything he does ... so sad.

Nick has wasted 5 season with Honda. 1 season was worthwhile. When Pedrosa suffers for 5 years, I will accept your argument.

Nicky has had the privilege to ride for HRC 5 years, 90% of the riders on the grid would give a kidney to be in his position, I wish him good luck wherever he goes next season, he'll need it. And he proved he's a very dedicated and tenacious rider in that time. But that has nothing to do with the topic though.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Aug 19 2008, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The test was rescheduled to give time Michelin to make some tyres that will actually work, there's no point in running around with useless tyres, today there were just 2 Michelin riders testing cause it's obvious they still are running the same .... Michelin had for the race.

You don't gain any testing knowledge lapping 3 seconds off the pace, it's the most sensible idea to leave it for better moment.

About dedication ... well Dani rode a race in pain suffering to get one ...... point that will most likely wont be useful for nothing, he went to Laguna despite Doctors told him you wontbe able to race, he wanted to try. So IMO his determination to is beyond doubts. What Michelin was doing in this test is WASTING their riders time. No point in testing something you've already seen doesn´t work during the weekend. As usual Dani haters taking a dig at Dani for anything he does ... so sad.

This is what i think about the whole Pedrosa and Michelin deal. While there is really no problem about his complaining on the performance of tires Michelin provided, mainly because it was apparent to all that they were ...... tires, little Dani went on and complained how Michelin MADE Dani looked awful, or in his words made him feel impotent and embarassed. Instead of pointing the finger and blaming Michelin for his poor outing, he should also accept blame from himself for riding as poorly as he did. yes i know he is riding injured, but still finishing second to dead last only because Randy de Puniet fell off his bike is no excuse in my book for someone still fighting in the championship battle. Even after de Puniet's fall he was making up ground to Dani closing up on him fast... or so i heard. So to all, it looks like Dani is pointing fingers and blaming someone else for his poor result. Every Michelin rider was complaining but no one said Michelin MADE them look horrible... they just said they did the best they could on ...... tires, while Dani decided the best way to save face is to blame Michelin. See the difference??

lazy little ......

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Aug 19 2008, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nicky has had the privilege to ride for HRC 5 years, 90% of the riders on the grid would give a kidney to be in his position, I wish him good luck wherever he goes next season, he'll need it. And he proved he's a very dedicated and tenacious rider in that time. But that has nothing to do with the topic though.

After a slow start to his career, Honda kept Nicky close to keep him from doing anything at another team at a time when top prospects were few and far between. That's it.

They signed him over and over again to keep him as a test mule and prohibit him from making progress with another team. It became so painfully obvious that HRC's strategy was to keep him from winning, they almost kept him from winning while he was on their team!!!! They even went so far as to include illusory lies in his contract (i.e. dual #1 status) to make sure he would depart for Ducati in 2007.

Finally, after the last 2 seasons of complete and total screw over, Honda realize that they are harming themselves by keeping him on. Not only because his performance is poor, but because they have embraced an indignant unlikeable Spaniard while screwing their likable world champion who achieved for them the goal of dethroning Rossi.

Their brand has been so tarnished by Rossi's departure and Nicky's mistreatment, it is unlikely HRC will recover (from a brand image standpoint) anytime before next decade is complete.

The same goes for Melandri as well. Honda kept him on to keep him out of the hands of a decent outfit. They fed Melandri the same lie in 2006 that they fed Nicky in 2007: You will have equal equipment to Pedrosa. Horse manure!!

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 19 2008, 11:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>After a slow start to his career, Honda kept Nicky close to keep him from doing anything at another team at a time when top prospects were few and far between. That's it.

They signed him over and over again to keep him as a test mule and prohibit him from making progress with another team. It became so painfully obvious that HRC's strategy was to keep him from winning, they almost kept him from winning while he was on their team!!!! They even went so far as to include illusory lies in his contract (i.e. dual #1 status) to make sure he would depart for Ducati in 2007.

Finally, after the last 2 seasons of complete and total screw over, Honda realize that they are harming themselves by keeping him on. Not only because his performance is poor, but because they have embraced an indignant unlikeable Spaniard while screwing their likable world champion who achieved for them the goal of dethroning Rossi.

Their brand has been so tarnished by Rossi's departure and Nicky's mistreatment, it is unlikely HRC will recover (from a brand image standpoint) anytime before next decade is complete.

The same goes for Melandri as well. Honda kept him on to keep him out of the hands of a decent outfit. They fed Melandri the same lie in 2006 that they fed Nicky in 2007: You will have equal equipment to Pedrosa. Horse manure!!

sigh ... if believing that makes you sleep better. Go ahead I wont burst your bubble.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 19 2008, 10:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>After a slow start to his career, Honda kept Nicky close to keep him from doing anything at another team at a time when top prospects were few and far between. That's it.

They signed him over and over again to keep him as a test mule and prohibit him from making progress with another team. It became so painfully obvious that HRC's strategy was to keep him from winning, they almost kept him from winning while he was on their team!!!! They even went so far as to include illusory lies in his contract (i.e. dual #1 status) to make sure he would depart for Ducati in 2007.

Finally, after the last 2 seasons of complete and total screw over, Honda realize that they are harming themselves by keeping him on. Not only because his performance is poor, but because they have embraced an indignant unlikeable Spaniard while screwing their likable world champion who achieved for them the goal of dethroning Rossi.
Their brand has been so tarnished by Rossi's departure and Nicky's mistreatment, it is unlikely HRC will recover (from a brand image standpoint) anytime before next decade is complete.

The same goes for Melandri as well. Honda kept him on to keep him out of the hands of a decent outfit. They fed Melandri the same lie in 2006 that they fed Nicky in 2007: You will have equal equipment to Pedrosa. Horse manure!!

Likable???

Most MotoGP fans I know hate Nicky because he is probably the most undeserving rider to ever ride for factory Honda. 6 years he has spent at Repsol and he's won 3 races, 2 of which were at his home GP and the other CE gifted him. Nicky won 06 because his title contenders were all having crashes/retirements/injuries/bad luck and he capitalised on that but he only won 2 races that season and in the last part of the season he was less than satisfactory.

Even before Dani came to Repsol Nicky was poor, his debut season was what was to be expected from a debuting rider but 04 was very poor and apart from Laguna, Istanbul and Valencia 05 was also dissapointing. If Nicky does go to Ducati next year he'll fail worse than Marco has done this year and you'll finally realise that he isn't as great as you think.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 19 2008, 10:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>After a slow start to his career, Honda kept Nicky close to keep him from doing anything at another team at a time when top prospects were few and far between. That's it.

They signed him over and over again to keep him as a test mule and prohibit him from making progress with another team. It became so painfully obvious that HRC's strategy was to keep him from winning, they almost kept him from winning while he was on their team!!!! They even went so far as to include illusory lies in his contract (i.e. dual #1 status) to make sure he would depart for Ducati in 2007.

Finally, after the last 2 seasons of complete and total screw over, Honda realize that they are harming themselves by keeping him on. Not only because his performance is poor, but because they have embraced an indignant unlikeable Spaniard while screwing their likable world champion who achieved for them the goal of dethroning Rossi.

Their brand has been so tarnished by Rossi's departure and Nicky's mistreatment, it is unlikely HRC will recover (from a brand image standpoint) anytime before next decade is complete.

The same goes for Melandri as well. Honda kept him on to keep him out of the hands of a decent outfit. They fed Melandri the same lie in 2006 that they fed Nicky in 2007: You will have equal equipment to Pedrosa. Horse manure!!
How is this even disputable since he won them a championship post Rossi and they treat him like a red headed step child. Plus isn't he the American poster boy on virtually every american poster. Yep he sure as .... is. That would be called a marketing blunder if they didn't have him on the team.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Haga @ Aug 19 2008, 11:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Likable???

Most MotoGP fans I know hate Nicky because he is probably the most undeserving rider to ever ride for factory Honda. 6 years he has spent at Repsol and he's won 3 races, 2 of which were at his home GP and the other CE gifted him. Nicky won 06 because his title contenders were all having crashes/retirements/injuries/bad luck and he capitalised on that but he only won 2 races that season and in the last part of the season he was less than satisfactory.

Even before Dani came to Repsol Nicky was poor, his debut season was what was to be expected from a debuting rider but 04 was very poor and apart from Laguna, Istanbul and Valencia 05 was also dissapointing. If Nicky does go to Ducati next year he'll fail worse than Marco has done this year and you'll finally realise that he isn't as great as you think.

Off topic. anyway, likeability is quite a personal thing, it's not related to results. Just cause Nicky's is not a record breaker we cannot like him? By that rule we must dislike all the grid except Rossi? and anyway a Haga fan shouldn't really pointing at Hayden's gp career ...

By the way I like both Haga and Hayden!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Haga @ Aug 19 2008, 01:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If Nicky does go to Ducati next year he'll fail worse than Marco has done this year and you'll finally realise that he isn't as great as you think.



This is what I was hoping to draw out.

I have nothing to lose, you have your hubris on the line. Nice position you've put yourself in. I hope more little lemmings follow you into the ocean.