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I read a report that had a Q@A with former female East German athletes and it was sad. The country had nothing of an economy at the time, so if you were picked to go to sports camp[prison] it was considered an honor. They were taken as kids and started on steroids [vitamin supplements] before they reached puberty and even though short term results were a bunch of physical freaks,the long term was a disaster.Parents would come to see their children and were horrified and a bit puzzled as to why their daughters looked the way they did. Being the countries only source of pride,the Stazi kept everyone quiet and allowed no questions.The only explanation to the parents was they were training extremely hard. As they hit their teenage years, the doctors in charge of sports medicine started really amping up the juice and the girls started growing beards, getting hair on their backs,voices deepened and their clits started protruding.They were literally being morphed. On girl became so alarmed ,she wrote and told her mother something weird was going on and told her some of the changes she had noticed. In an act of unbelievable bravery for the time,her mom marched into the complex and announced she was rescuing her daughter from these evil .......s. Another girl,who threw the shot, said she became so freakishly large and man like,she never left the complex because she was embarrassed.They became so strong and worked so hard, their bones and joints started breaking down from the forces being applied on them.A lot of them cant have kids,numerous have died of cancer. It was like the 40's when that perverted piece of .... Mengele was doing his human experiments,except now,they were doing to their own citizens
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jan 23 2010, 05:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>A lot of them can't have kids,numerous have died of cancer. It was like the 40's when that perverted piece of .... Mengele was doing his human experiments,except now, they were doing to their own citizens.

This reminded me of the army veterans and hapless citizens that were unfortunate enough to be sent to, or live downwind from, the Nevada Test Site. (Every country, every government, 'does it to their own.') To intentionally expose US citizens and soldiers to radioactive fallout, more or less 'to see what happens,' is about as bad as it gets. Hundreds, possibly thousands of veterans, and thousands of citizens in Nevada and Utah have been poisoned and/or killed. Given that the US is supposed to be some grand, open democracy, this sort of cynical policy is all the more abhorrent.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Geonerd @ Jan 23 2010, 10:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This reminded me of the army veterans and hapless citizens that were unfortunate enough to be sent to, or live downwind from, the Nevada Test Site. (Every country, every government, 'does it to their own.') To intentionally expose US citizens and soldiers to radioactive fallout, more or less 'to see what happens,' is about as bad as it gets. Hundreds, possibly thousands of veterans, and thousands of citizens in Nevada and Utah have been poisoned and/or killed. Given that the US is supposed to be some grand, open democracy, this sort of cynical policy is all the more abhorrent.
As did the governments of France, Great Britain and Australia. And yes it was deplorable
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Geonerd @ Jan 24 2010, 03:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This reminded me of the army veterans and hapless citizens that were unfortunate enough to be sent to, or live downwind from, the Nevada Test Site. (Every country, every government, 'does it to their own.') To intentionally expose US citizens and soldiers to radioactive fallout, more or less 'to see what happens,' is about as bad as it gets. Hundreds, possibly thousands of veterans, and thousands of citizens in Nevada and Utah have been poisoned and/or killed. Given that the US is supposed to be some grand, open democracy, this sort of cynical policy is all the more abhorrent.

I have driven NW out of Vegas up to Mt.Charleston Lodge, and if you turn onto Highway 158 you skirt the flank of the mountain and come to Desert View Point. From here you are looking at the Nevada Test Site. To put this in perspective to those in the UK, it would be like living in London whilst the government are detonating atomic bombs in Bedfordshire. During the sixties families would drive up there for picnics to watch the tests. The Spring Mountains were supposed to act as a shield, between the test site and Vegas, but actually if the conditions were right and the City was downwind they provided no protection at all. I never appreciated that those living in nearby communities were used by government as guinea pigs - I just thought that it was sheer ignorance of the effects. I don't think it was until the 1980's that these detonations were driven underground, and they continued up to the early '90's. Recently, there was a much mooted proposal to sink thousands of tons of nuclear waste in the desert at Nellis Air Force Base - hopefully this has been quashed as there is an ancient faultline that underlies the area which could rupture at any time.

The Test effects were such an irritation to Howard Hughes who was living in The Sands at the time, that he attempted to buy the ABC news network so that he could campaign against the testing and gain public support. Ironic, since one of his movie productions had been 'The Conquerer'. Of the 220 persons who worked on location of this film in Utah in 1955, something like 90 had contracted cancer as of the early 1980s and 50 died of it, including stars John Wayne, Susan Hayward, and Agnes Moorehead, and director .... Powell. According to scientific opinion on the matter the experts insist under ordinary circumstances only 30 people out of a group of that size should have developed cancer. In 1953, the military had tested 11 atomic bombs at Yucca Flats, Nevada, which resulted in massive clouds of fallout floating downwind. Much of the deadly dust fanned into Snow Canyon, Utah, where a lot of The Conqueror was shot. The actors and crew were exposed to this toxic .... for 3 months, doubtless inhaling a fair amount of it in the process, and Hughes later shipped 60 tons of hot dirt back to Hollywood to use on a set for retakes, exacerbating the situation further.

Although many people on set knew about the radiation (there's a picture of Wayne himself operating a Geiger counter during the filming), no one took the threat seriously at the time. Thirty years later, however, half the residents of St. George had contracted cancer, and veterans of the production began to realise that something was wrong. Hughes was said to have felt "guilty as hell" about the whole affair, although being so hard to substantiate the damage in a Court of Law, he escaped legal proceedings. He did however withdraw The Conqueror from circulation, and for years thereafter the only person who saw it was Hughes himself, who was alleged to have screened it night after night during his paranoid last years.

There are some very remote areas in the vast Nevada basin, and although Vegas was not the huge conurbation that it has become today, these tests at Nellis were only 50 odd miles from the residential subdivisions which were already encroaching on the desert.
 
Yep. The term "Favorable Winds" meant "not blowing toward Las Vegas"
St. George, Mesquite, Hiko, Alamo, Orderville, Escalante, and a dozens of other small communities were not give the same respect. When you hear downwind residents recall playing in the fallout as if it were snow, you begin to grasp the situation.

An excellent, deeply moving book on the subject: http://www.amazon.com/American-Ground-Zero...ntt_at_ep_dpt_1
The book doesn't attempt blatant propaganda, it doesn't need to. The author, a photojournalist, simply listened to what the downwind population had to say. If you can get through the dozens of interviews without feeling multiple bouts of rage and anguish, there is something seriously wrong with you. Most large libraries have a copy. If you have a problem finding the book, I'll loan you mine.

Two years ago I spent a long week in the Grand Staircase Escalante National Monument area in Utah. (Slot canyons, redrock, a gorgeous place!) Along the way, I stopped at the Escalante Museum - a small cabin built WAY back in the day by Mormon pioneers. An elderly lady was on duty. After discussing the early history of the town I asked about the fallout issue. Her cheerful demeanor instantly changed. "We still have problems." Even today, she said, decades later, people are still dying of leukemia and other relatively rare cancers and disorders. Remember, these folks are good-goody Mormons. They live about as healthy a lifestyle as is possible; cancer is rare, and most folks die from 'old age' as much as anything else. Mormons are also extremely patriotic and obedient. When a Mormon admits "we have problems," you know it's they are not 'whining' over a trivial issue.

Personally, I have no doubt that the AEC know exactly what it was doing from the very beginning. The science of radiological health was not new. They most certainly knew that dusting communities downwind would kill some number of people. Monitoring teams in the area collected dairy and farm products, as well as air, soil and water samples; all to be send to a lab for radio-chemical analysis. They knew damn well exactly what the civilians were being exposed to, all that remained was to observe how many got sick...
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jan 22 2010, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That's Capirossi's bike. Based on the tail I'm thinking it's a 990 and based on the font for Cappers' 65, I'd guess the photo was taken in 2005.

Yep. Good call Austin. I couldn't see the # correctly the way the bike is situated but I should have realized that was the 990, well before Nicky started riding for Ducati.
 

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