Only 5 engines for the rest of the season!

bonnielass · Aug 16, 2009

I don't think it's fair to change the rules halfway through the season.

Everyone's going on about only having 5 engines for the rest of the season, but how many are they going to be allowed for the whole season?

This doesn't seem to be workable to me!

undeadprincess · Aug 16, 2009

http://2wheeltuesday.com/2009/03/motogp-fi...0-race-seasons/

That link basically says all the rules for 2010 and for the end of 2009. The riders will be allowed 6 engines for the entire championship. That doesn't seem very right to me but the thing that stood out most to be is the fact that only one machine can be used per race?! They are ruining motogp with their rules. It is getting beyond silly now. Also it said only 5 people can work on the bike in the pits. How many normally work on the bike? So if you take it outside the pits can more people work on it?

I heard that MotoGP is also becoming a 2 day event. Surely that is a lie? I read it on the MCN website...

VHMP01 · Aug 16, 2009

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (undeadprincess @ Aug 16 2009, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>http://2wheeltuesday.com/2009/03/motogp-fi...0-race-seasons/

That link basically says all the rules for 2010 and for the end of 2009. The riders will be allowed 6 engines for the entire championship. That doesn't seem very right to me but the thing that stood out most to be is the fact that only one machine can be used per race?! They are ruining motogp with their rules. It is getting beyond silly now. Also it said only 5 people can work on the bike in the pits. How many normally work on the bike? So if you take it outside the pits can more people work on it?

I heard that MotoGP is also becoming a 2 day event. Surely that is a lie? I read it on the MCN website...

Did Espeleta / Mosley sleep together? Dam it stupid rules!

chopperman · Aug 16, 2009

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Aug 16 2009, 11:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Did Espeleta / Mosley sleep together? Dam it stupid rules!

Is it more expensive to build more engines or powerful engines that last longer ?? I wouldn't mind betting this rule will actually make the sport more expensive. Plus if a sat team that this rule is supposed to help needed an extra engine at the cost of 10 points but realisticly would not earn that much in a race , would they just sit out the race to save the points they already earned ?

jazkat · Aug 16, 2009

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (undeadprincess @ Aug 16 2009, 10:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>http://2wheeltuesday.com/2009/03/motogp-fi...0-race-seasons/

That link basically says all the rules for 2010 and for the end of 2009. The riders will be allowed 6 engines for the entire championship. That doesn't seem very right to me but the thing that stood out most to be is the fact that only one machine can be used per race?! They are ruining motogp with their rules. It is getting beyond silly now. Also it said only 5 people can work on the bike in the pits. How many normally work on the bike? So if you take it outside the pits can more people work on it?

I heard that MotoGP is also becoming a 2 day event. Surely that is a lie? I read it on the MCN website...

i read that somehwere to but wasnt mcn, i remember the article said about losing the friday but that rule is still under consideration so its possible it could happen.

i was thinking about creating a (save motogp) facebook and do a petition, also create a youtube vid with links but not sure if it would work

next year will be pretty lame if these crazy rule changes keep happening

Kez_91 · Aug 16, 2009

Here we are again... yet another stupid rule!

if it ain't broke don't fix it!!

Corr · Aug 16, 2009

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Aug 17 2009, 08:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Is it more expensive to build more engines or powerful engines that last longer ?? I wouldn't mind betting this rule will actually make the sport more expensive. Plus if a sat team that this rule is supposed to help needed an extra engine at the cost of 10 points but realisticly would not earn that much in a race , would they just sit out the race to save the points they already earned ?

It is more expensive to build an engine with more power than an engine that will last longer.

chopperman · Aug 16, 2009

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Corr @ Aug 17 2009, 12:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It is more expensive to build an engine with more power than an engine that will last longer.
that was not my question though.

let me put it another way. which cost more 3 x 250 hp engines or 1 x 250 hp engine that will last as long as the original 3.

parcferme · Aug 17, 2009

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Corr @ Aug 16 2009, 11:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It is more expensive to build an engine with more power than an engine that will last longer.

lol wut?

prove it.

mattsteg · Aug 17, 2009

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Corr @ Aug 16 2009, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It is more expensive to build an engine with more power than an engine that will last longer.It's not an either/or situation, though. The goal is now to build more powerful engines that last longer, not just engines that last longer.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Parc Ferme @ Aug 17 2009, 10:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>lol wut?

prove it.That's hardly revolutionary. Maximizing power requires a lot of very precise engineering effort. Getting a lot of life out of an engine can be accomplished by detuning and generous tolerances. The issue with his response is that he reframed the question into something somewhat irrelevant. He didn't really say anything revolutionary or controversial, though.

VTtwinner · Aug 17, 2009

7867:SE5K3890.jpg]Knowing full well the new limited engine policy, this is what Elias thinks of his team dumping him next year. How many times you think he bounced off the rev limiter?

undeadprincess · Aug 17, 2009

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Aug 17 2009, 12:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i read that somehwere to but wasnt mcn, i remember the article said about losing the friday but that rule is still under consideration so its possible it could happen.

i was thinking about creating a (save motogp) facebook and do a petition, also create a youtube vid with links but not sure if it would work

next year will be pretty lame if these crazy rule changes keep happening

I was joined up to a "keep motogp on british eurosport" group and that kinda worked apart from the fact they are not allowed to play the actual race live...

bonnielass · Aug 18, 2009

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (undeadprincess @ Aug 16 2009, 10:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>http://2wheeltuesday.com/2009/03/motogp-fi...0-race-seasons/

That link basically says all the rules for 2010 and for the end of 2009. The riders will be allowed 6 engines for the entire championship. That doesn't seem very right to me but the thing that stood out most to be is the fact that only one machine can be used per race?! They are ruining motogp with their rules. It is getting beyond silly now. Also it said only 5 people can work on the bike in the pits. How many normally work on the bike? So if you take it outside the pits can more people work on it?

I heard that MotoGP is also becoming a 2 day event. Surely that is a lie? I read it on the MCN website...

6 engines for the whole season, that's what it said alright. I don't see how they can make that work, I was under the immpression that they stripped down and rebuilt the engines after they had raced, (I could be wrong there)

If they only have 6 engines I don't see they will want to waste any on free practice, they'll just run the two days!

parcferme · Aug 18, 2009

According to shenton or burgess (can't remember which one said it), 6 engines for the season is about half of what they need now assuming no bad crashes or unforeseeable mechanical problems. To be specific, the number of kilometers required out of 1 engine is now about double or a couple thousand kilometers each. Currently, I think they get around 1000 to 1500 kilometers before servicing.

Pigeon · Aug 18, 2009

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bonnielass @ Aug 18 2009, 02:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If they only have 6 engines I don't see they will want to waste any on free practice, they'll just run the two days!

Parrish said similar stuff like the fans etc will see less track time next year.
if theres no need to be on the track.they wont be (save the engine) and there will be times when riders only go out at the end of a practice session.(changing conditions)

chopperman · Aug 18, 2009

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Parc Ferme @ Aug 18 2009, 03:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>According to shenton or burgess (can't remember which one said it), 6 engines for the season is about half of what they need now assuming no bad crashes or unforeseeable mechanical problems. To be specific, the number of kilometers required out of 1 engine is now about double or a couple thousand kilometers each. Currently, I think they get around 1000 to 1500 kilometers before servicing.
i think they get skipped at around 800 to 1000 km, there now looking for 1800km to make 6 engines last the season. not sure if they also included hungry in this calculation though.

DRILL · Aug 18, 2009

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Aug 17 2009, 12:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i read that somehwere to but wasnt mcn, i remember the article said about losing the friday but that rule is still under consideration so its possible it could happen.

i was thinking about creating a (save motogp) facebook and do a petition, also create a youtube vid with links but not sure if it would work

next year will be pretty lame if these crazy rule changes keep happening

Go for it Jaz,you have a lot of support here mate.

DRILL · Aug 18, 2009

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VTtwinner @ Aug 17 2009, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>7867:SE5K3890.jpg]Knowing full well the new limited engine policy, this is what Elias thinks of his team dumping him next year. How many times you think he bounced off the rev limiter?

I like that

Pigeon · Aug 18, 2009

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Aug 17 2009, 12:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i was thinking about creating a (save motogp) facebook and do a petition, also create a youtube vid with links but not sure if it would work

next year will be pretty lame if these crazy rule changes keep happening

another

up go for it im on FB.can spread the word.theres loads of bikers pages etc on there anything from Devon-Bikers to Yorkshire-Bikers.etc Rossi's page has around 1.5 mill members.

not far off.. 1,499,842 fans LOL.im sure you can TAG.to pages like rossi's.if u make a Group up

Jazkat

VHMP01 · Aug 19, 2009

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Aug 16 2009, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Plus if a sat team that this rule is supposed to help needed an extra engine at the cost of 10 points but realisticly would not earn that much in a race , would they just sit out the race to save the points they already earned ?

Teams like Francisco Hernando (ended up with 12) and Scot (17 so far) may end up with ‘Negative’ points if they chose not to sit out of races!!!

What a stupid rule...

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