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Nurburgring WSBK

Jum, my understanding of the jump start rule in WSBK is that you can move in the box, unlike MGP, but you cannot cross the front line of the box. Marco moved but didn't cross. No jump start according to WSBK rules.



Otherwise the Ring has reaffirmed for me why MGP is still the premier series... So many mistakes by the top tier riders makes them look like a bag of ... hats!!



Foggy used to line up a yard or so short and creep forward before the lights changed.



On a different note, the balance of power is so often in flux in bike racing. Both Rea and Giugilano have markedly slower bikes - such a turn around from the rulebook which was once skewed so much in Ducati's favour and those Ten Kate tuned blades of old ridden by the likes of Vermeullen and Toseland which were rocketships. I remember the CBR600 that Foret stepped onto in Supersport was indomitable. It's blatantly obvious even to newcomers to the sport that both are overriding to compensate for speed defficiencies. To me, Giugilano in particular runs the most unorthodox lines to compensate and what seems like spoiling tactics is his only way to be competitive. Rea is overly pushing the front.



The entire weekend was blighted by lowsides in all classes - some bizarre others forced errors under pressure.
 
don't know whether the rules were skewed in favor of ten kate,the rules have been the same for all 4 cylinder bikes right?

correct me if i'm wrong, i always thought ten kate was just the best team out there,or at least the best at tuning the engines.

if they were not even rea would be nowhere, that fireblade is just too slow and old.

bang on assessement of the ducati/honda situation IMO, it's all checas fault for riding so well last year!
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the best bikes in the past couple of years have been the aprilia and yamaha.





it was mentioned by the eurosport commentators that the crescent team have recently built their own engines and they were supposedly better than what yoshimura supplies. anybody else heard about that?don't know too much about the level of tune in AMA but i would have thought getting yoshimura engines is the next best thing to getting offical factory support,or in case of suzuki maybe even better.



very disappointed with hopper, i was really hoping he would perform good to be on the cards for a suzuki motogp return or be a race winner/champion in wsbk. i always rated him very highly but this year he reminds me too much of haga in 2011....

surpremely talented IMO but not giving it 100%
 
don't know whether the rules were skewed in favor of ten kate,the rules have been the same for all 4 cylinder bikes right?

correct me if i'm wrong, i always thought ten kate was just the best team out there,or at least the best at tuning the engines.



Completely - apologies,that didn't read very well. No I just meant Ducati. In line 4's were for so long facing some sort of stupid ruling that held them back to protect Ducati's hegemony in the series IMO - much why Honda threw so much into the SP1 and SP2 projects. Even when the capacity ceiling was raised to 1000 CC to attract the Jap factories back who had deserted they were initially subject to air restrictors as I recall. Peculiarly it was completely the opposite in the AMA where Hodgson and Eric Bostrom were forced to run different throttlebodies to the fours, bizarrely because of a perceived advantage on the 999.
 
ok thanks for clearing that up.

that the rules were in favor of twins for a long time is an undeniable fact.not something bad IMO though,based solely on my preference for twin bikes and if the 1200cc formula offered any advantage i'd be over the moon if more manufacturers would start building v-twin (or inline-2) sportsbikes.have to say though i think it has been amazing that ducati have been able to compete with honda when they were both running 1000cc twins but then again building and racing liter twins has been their job for years whereas honda had to start from scratch.
 
Foggy used to line up a yard or so short and creep forward before the lights changed.



On a different note, the balance of power is so often in flux in bike racing. Both Rea and Giugilano have markedly slower bikes - such a turn around from the rulebook which was once skewed so much in Ducati's favour and those Ten Kate tuned blades of old ridden by the likes of Vermeullen and Toseland which were rocketships. I remember the CBR600 that Foret stepped onto in Supersport was indomitable. It's blatantly obvious even to newcomers to the sport that both are overriding to compensate for speed defficiencies. To me, Giugilano in particular runs the most unorthodox lines to compensate and what seems like spoiling tactics is his only way to be competitive. Rea is overly pushing the front.



The entire weekend was blighted by lowsides in all classes - some bizarre others forced errors under pressure.



As you know, I read your posts as if they were the word of God, so please have mercy on my heathen streaks. I have ordered two Wilski Bibles, as I wanted to take advantage of the free shipping.



First of all, yes, riders who "override" their bikes commonly have crashes, its a simple cause and effect, I agree with you. That, however, does not mean that people who crash often or are torpedoing other riders are necessarily "overriding" their bikes. Specifically, these two riders you cite above, which appear very animated during racing. Giugilano, in particular, reminds me of Frabrizio. Sharp distinct movements while riding, and seemingly having no issue racing other riders closely. JRea, is not as animated, but the contact he is willing to make is much more aggressive and ill-fated. Is this a riding style or a function of their machines? I humbly submit to you its a function of their riding style reflected in their racecraft. I agree they are not on the preferred weapon of choice, among a field where all the top brand entries are much tighter grouped in terms of parity than say GP. These two are not exactly riding the DucatiGP version of Wsbk. I'm not at all convinced its simply because they are overriding the bike to make up for whatever deficiencies they experience. When Frabizio rode for factory Duc, did he appear any more calm than now on the satellite BMW? Take a look at Carlos Checa, can we say he has a "markedly slower bike?" Certainly, compared to the Bmw, Aprillia, and the Kawasaki, right Tod? Do we see him regularly overshooting his lines, barging his way into non-existing imagined gaps, weaving on the straight to block other riders because he is down on speed? What significant differences do you detect in style with Checa when he rode the Honda compared to today? I would submit, not much. Sure, all the riders have moments of ill-fated aggression, Checa on Neuker is a great example. But JRea seems to have an ill-fatted aggressive move just about every event in close proximity to others. And I'll add, if its true what you say, that JRea is simply compensating for a disadvantaged package to account for his questionable riding, then I'd say he's not very considerate of his fellow competitors, as he's most often than not, using them as a berm to increase corner traction, or weaving in front of them to keep faster bikes behind him.
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Btw, it was very entertaining to see JRea and Guigilano dice it up. Fun to watch two rider try to gain position which are fairly equally matched in style against eachother. I was certain it would end in a crash. Turned out JRea crashed on his own, which was rather considerate of him.
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pedrosas if he doesn't win it this year or next.



we joke around a lot about rea, but honestly, he deserves a shot at atleast a good satellite ride. he's been hopkins-loyal to honda for how many years now and made them look a lot better especially in wsbk than they actually are.
 
pedrosas if he doesn't win it this year or next.



we joke around a lot about rea, but honestly, he deserves a shot at atleast a good satellite ride. he's been hopkins-loyal to honda for how many years now and made them look a lot better especially in wsbk than they actually are.



If he gets a ride next year then maybe he has half a chance,

But if not 2014 his rookie year!?

Thats like saying Marquez is going to win next year?

More chance of platting snot.
 
If he gets a ride next year then maybe he has half a chance,

But if not 2014 his rookie year!?

Thats like saying Marquez is going to win next year?

More chance of platting snot.

actually i don't think he will ever be a gp world champion, hes already too old and grew up in the wrong paddock.

but the odd race win in 2015 if he gets a ride for 2014 should be possible.theres no reason for me to believe that spies or crutchlow (who i rate highly) are definately better riders

don't take anything i say about rea too serious, except for i really do think hes the best non-gp rider out there or at least has the biggest potential.



oh and hill would be the perfect replacement for hopkins imo!

wonder where he will be next year with no good seats available in both wsbk and gps
 
actually i don't think he will ever be a gp world champion, hes already too old and grew up in the wrong paddock.

but the odd race win in 2015 if he gets a ride for 2014 should be possible.theres no reason for me to believe that spies or crutchlow (who i rate highly) are definately better riders

don't take anything i say about rea too serious, except for i really do think hes the best non-gp rider out there or at least has the biggest potential.



oh and hill would be the perfect replacement for hopkins imo!

wonder where he will be next year with no good seats available in both wsbk and gps



Probs going for the triple crown in BSB if he does it again this year,

Which I fully expect him to do TBH.
 
agreed, i haven't watched every race (even though we get good coverage here) but at least half of them and he looks to be in a class of his own.

only shakey and brookes come near but the first one is getting old and brookes is just too inconsistent.



very disappointed with haga by the way!

i know quite a few of the BSB tracks are quite a challenge to learn in a weekend but i'd have thought he'd be definately ahead of the rest of the field minus hill,brookes,shakey
 

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