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Alright, this is coming through 2 secondary sources before it got to me so take it as you will. An old racing friend of mine has been hanging out with R.L. Hayden and got news that Nicky is beyond pissed. Honda is not giving him anything to test besides tires and the tires he is running through are not for him. Honda has not given him an update to his machine in 5 weeks while Dani is getting new parts every other day. Right now Nicky's PR rep has been forcing him to not do interviews b/c he is so pissed. Keep in mind that Nicky's contract states that both riders are to be given all new parts at the same time. Honda is going back on their word.

Dani is a great rider, this is not Dani bashing. Dani deserves to be a #1 rider with Repsol. However, so does Nicky and he has a contract and a MotoGP championship to prove it. I just think that it is strange how Honda's MotoGP effort treats Nicky. With any other team he would have been treated as #1 after his championship except factory Yamaha.
 
Man I don't want to believe your resources, but it's kind of hard to ignore. Time for Dovi to take this abuse next year and for Nicky to jump to another team or another series....would love to see him in WSBK on a big bike, but I'm sure he would think of that as being as step down and wouldn't do it.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L8Braker @ Jun 11 2008, 10:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Man I don't want to believe your resources, but it's kind of hard to ignore. Time for Dovi to take this abuse next year and for Nicky to jump to another team or another series....would love to see him in WSBK on a big bike, but I'm sure he would think of that as being as step down and wouldn't do it.

As much as I like Nicky to be in GP, there is no point he is staying if he is not perform due to some cicumstances which Nicky and HRC only knew..
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He is 990 rider and superbike rider..WSBK is not a bad idea..Duc ? is good only for Casey...
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I think ALL the "NORMAL" sized riders should defect from Moto GP and head to WSBK...leave the horse jockeys to their ....... pocket bikes...and go ride some big bikes.

Could you imagine if, Colin Edwards, Chris Vermeulen, Anthony West, Alex de Angelis, John Hopkins,
Marco Melandri, Valentino Rossi, Nicky Hayden, James Toseland etc etc....

All went to SBK!?...
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Eagle088 @ Jun 11 2008, 10:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I just think that it is strange how Honda's MotoGP effort treats Nicky. With any other team he would have been treated as #1 after his championship except factory Yamaha.

Sadly, with Repsol Honda it's not strange at all. Their attitude towards their riders is quite extreme. Read Rossi's book for some good insight on that. To them, Nicky's championship wasn't part of the "plan". The plan being to annoint Dani as the next chosen son and devote all resources to his coming domination of the class (over Rossi). As such, Nicky has been getting screwed over ever since Dani joined Repsol Honda. Even when he was pushing for the championship in 2006 he was testing parts for Dani. So theres no reason to be surprised about it now. The real surprise should be that he's still on the team, sadly. Repsol runs at least 50% of the show on that team, probably more. Spanish rider, Spanish oil company, big Spanish audience, etc. Of course Dani is going to be the chosen one.

I love Nicky and I hope he can overcome his current situation to find success. IMO I'd rather see him get some revenge in MotoGP on another team than go to the "retirement series" of WSBK, but I just know he'd dominate on a 1000cc superbike. He was brilliant in his AMA days. It'd be awesome to see!!
 
ive done my fair share of taking the piss out of the cruisin caretaker but even im being convinced he is getting the .... end of the stick.
a little while ago dani threaten to leave honda if they didnt comply with his requests and it seemed to have worked. if honda have breached there contract with nicky by not giving him any parts i think he should take legal action against the .......s and force there hand. invite all the bike mags to the court case.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jun 11 2008, 09:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think ALL the "NORMAL" sized riders should defect from Moto GP and head to WSBK...leave the horse jockeys to their ....... pocket bikes...and go ride some big bikes.

Could you imagine if, Colin Edwards, Chris Vermeulen, Anthony West, Alex de Angelis, John Hopkins,
Marco Melandri, Valentino Rossi, Nicky Hayden, James Toseland etc etc....

All went to SBK!?...
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my idea is the best!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jun 11 2008, 11:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>my idea is the best!
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We can fill the grid with the current top 10 of 125 and 250 kid to challenge Dani and DORNA can call it Mini GP..
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (V5Stroker @ Jun 11 2008, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We can fill the grid with the current top 10 of 125 and 250 kid to challenge Dani and DORNA can call it Mini GP..
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jun 11 2008, 04:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>ive done my fair share of taking the piss out of the cruisin caretaker but even im being convinced he is getting the .... end of the stick.
a little while ago dani threaten to leave honda if they didnt comply with his requests and it seemed to have worked. if honda have breached there contract with nicky by not giving him any parts i think he should take legal action against the .......s and force there hand. invite all the bike mags to the court case.
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Yep, I too have been harsh on Hayboy over the last years, and I will quite happily admit that I said in 2006 that he would never win another title. However, I do not think that Nicky's results show his standard as a racer. Something has gone horribly wrong somewhere for him.

At the start of 2007, he was consistantly 4th, or thereabouts in testing. In GP, Nicky has always been a steady top five kinda guy, not many wins but always somewhere near the sharp end. Thats how he became the champ. So, no real surprises there, I dont think anyone (apart from some who will remain nameless) thought for a minute that he was gonna do a Doohan for 2007. What nobody saw, was the guy doin a KRJR and falling backwards down the rankings. Kenny had a bit of an excuse, the Suzook isnt the best out there, but Hayboy is on an HRC bike. I dont believe that someone from an SBK background is completely incapable of adjusting to an 800 after winning a title on a 990. I know they are very different, but, the change in Nicky's fortunes are shocking.

Toseland, for a SBK rider in his rookie year isnt doing too badly on an 800, so why is an ex world champ struggling?

My opinion has always been based on the fact that HRC are about the bike, not the rider. They saw the Wee Guy as a bigger threat to Rossi, and saw his stature more suited to the 800 than Nick. Therefore, HRC probably saw building a bike suited to their most serious challenger, (as they saw it) made more sense than building one to suit Nicky. Considering the guy had just lifted the title for them, I saw this as a kick in the nuts to the him. HRC didnt do Colin Edwards any favours after winning 2 world SBK titles for them, and Tose is in GP on a Yamaha after giving HRC another title.

My overall thoughts on all this? Nicky gave HRC the title they wanted badly, beating the "enemy" Rossi in the process. Do they say thanks properly? No because he did it on a Honda, and their bike is a race winner in their eyes. Had he done the same for any of the other factories, he'd of had a job for life. But, as Rossi says, thats not how HRC work.

I hope that they dont lift the title for a long time to be honest. I have owned a lot of Honda's, in recent years I have been a huge fan of Doohan, Cadalora, Rossi and plenty others while they were riding for HRC, but now I think they have earned the ole Roberts Team nick "The evil empire" more than Kenny's guys did. I know that they are trying to win the title, butwhat looks to me and many others as shitting on your riders to achieve this sucks.

Rant over.

Pete
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Jun 11 2008, 11:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yep, I too have been harsh on Hayboy over the last years, and I will quite happily admit that I said in 2006 that he would never win another title. However, I do not think that Nicky's results show his standard as a racer. Something has gone horribly wrong somewhere for him.

At the start of 2007, he was consistantly 4th, or thereabouts in testing. In GP, Nicky has always been a steady top five kinda guy, not many wins but always somewhere near the sharp end. Thats how he became the champ. So, no real surprises there, I dont think anyone (apart from some who will remain nameless) thought for a minute that he was gonna do a Doohan for 2007. What nobody saw, was the guy doin a KRJR and falling backwards down the rankings. Kenny had a bit of an excuse, the Suzook isnt the best out there, but Hayboy is on an HRC bike. I dont believe that someone from an SBK background is completely incapable of adjusting to an 800 after winning a title on a 990. I know they are very different, but, the change in Nicky's fortunes are shocking.

Toseland, for a SBK rider in his rookie year isnt doing too badly on an 800, so why is an ex world champ struggling?

My opinion has always been based on the fact that HRC are about the bike, not the rider. They saw the Wee Guy as a bigger threat to Rossi, and saw his stature more suited to the 800 than Nick. Therefore, HRC probably saw building a bike suited to their most serious challenger, (as they saw it) made more sense than building one to suit Nicky. Considering the guy had just lifted the title for them, I saw this as a kick in the nuts to the him. HRC didnt do Colin Edwards any favours after winning 2 world SBK titles for them, and Tose is in GP on a Yamaha after giving HRC another title.

My overall thoughts on all this? Nicky gave HRC the title they wanted badly, beating the "enemy" Rossi in the process. Do they say thanks properly? No because he did it on a Honda, and their bike is a race winner in their eyes. Had he done the same for any of the other factories, he'd of had a job for life. But, as Rossi says, thats not how HRC work.

I hope that they dont lift the title for a long time to be honest. I have owned a lot of Honda's, in recent years I have been a huge fan of Doohan, Cadalora, Rossi and plenty others while they were riding for HRC, but now I think they have earned the ole Roberts Team nick "The evil empire" more than Kenny's guys did. I know that they are trying to win the title, butwhat looks to me and many others as shitting on your riders to achieve this sucks.

Rant over.

Pete

+1, see my similarly themed rant.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Jun 11 2008, 05:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yep, I too have been harsh on Hayboy over the last years, and I will quite happily admit that I said in 2006 that he would never win another title. However, I do not think that Nicky's results show his standard as a racer. Something has gone horribly wrong somewhere for him.

At the start of 2007, he was consistantly 4th, or thereabouts in testing. In GP, Nicky has always been a steady top five kinda guy, not many wins but always somewhere near the sharp end. Thats how he became the champ. So, no real surprises there, I dont think anyone (apart from some who will remain nameless) thought for a minute that he was gonna do a Doohan for 2007. What nobody saw, was the guy doin a KRJR and falling backwards down the rankings. Kenny had a bit of an excuse, the Suzook isnt the best out there, but Hayboy is on an HRC bike. I dont believe that someone from an SBK background is completely incapable of adjusting to an 800 after winning a title on a 990. I know they are very different, but, the change in Nicky's fortunes are shocking.

Toseland, for a SBK rider in his rookie year isnt doing too badly on an 800, so why is an ex world champ struggling?

My opinion has always been based on the fact that HRC are about the bike, not the rider. They saw the Wee Guy as a bigger threat to Rossi, and saw his stature more suited to the 800 than Nick. Therefore, HRC probably saw building a bike suited to their most serious challenger, (as they saw it) made more sense than building one to suit Nicky. Considering the guy had just lifted the title for them, I saw this as a kick in the nuts to the him. HRC didnt do Colin Edwards any favours after winning 2 world SBK titles for them, and Tose is in GP on a Yamaha after giving HRC another title.

My overall thoughts on all this? Nicky gave HRC the title they wanted badly, beating the "enemy" Rossi in the process. Do they say thanks properly? No because he did it on a Honda, and their bike is a race winner in their eyes. Had he done the same for any of the other factories, he'd of had a job for life. But, as Rossi says, thats not how HRC work.

I hope that they dont lift the title for a long time to be honest. I have owned a lot of Honda's, in recent years I have been a huge fan of Doohan, Cadalora, Rossi and plenty others while they were riding for HRC, but now I think they have earned the ole Roberts Team nick "The evil empire" more than Kenny's guys did. I know that they are trying to win the title, butwhat looks to me and many others as shitting on your riders to achieve this sucks.

Rant over.

Pete

Great Post.

HRC definitely saw huge potential in Hayden, and wasted no time in snapping him up in '03, pulling the rug from under the feet of Yamaha in the process as I recall. At around this time attention was turning to hungry younger riders combined with the switch to 4 stroke, and there were many lining up on the grid that were passed their prime, unable/unwilling to change their style and perhaps circulating for nothing more than the incentive of a huge pay cheque.

But, I never really believed that Nicky was part of the overall grand plan. HRC wasted no time lobbing Kato onto the diesel, as I recall fresh from the eight hour he landed the gig in Brno in '02. The full factory support that swung to Gresini the following year was intended to nurture Daichan and ended up benefitting Sete, which is why he was suddenly able to challenge Vale more convincingly than others in '03 and '04. All along Dani was seen as the up and coming understudy to Kato and it's a no brainer that HRC would have immediately installed Daijiro in Vale's vacated seat at Repsol in '04. Two years later, with all eyes on Pedrosa, I don't think HRC expected Nicky to win the title in '06, and as we know, they certainly didn't do as much as they could have done to expedite his championship bid in the process.

How many blades have HRC sold in the US since they signed Nicky? Hugh Laurie rides a Repsol Honda rep in House for Christ sake...hard to envisage happening when Ukawa had the ride. Clearly Nicky wasn't snatched up by HRC for merely commercial reasons, otherwise he would've been placed in a satellite team..they saw enormous potential coinciding with the coming of the 4 stroke era, but they also percieved similar marketing potential which is just as dehumanising as their all pervading "it's all in the bike not the rider" philosophy. Remember another reason Vale left is because Honda wanted partial ownership of his image rights. A decade and a half before that, HRC lost Lawson for the same reason..they failed to acknowledge the real value of his talent, and treated him like any other employee. (In the case of Dani, they don't have to quibble about image rights...because he doesn't have one.) But when Pedrosa threatened to walk..even HRC took notice, and they're delivering, because since the tragic death of Kato he's always been the focus of the grand ultimate 'design'. Nicky is sadly irrelevant, out of the equation, and as Pete says there seems to be little in the way of gratitude towards his achievements and effort. Even if the Ducati doesn't suit him, the team will...it's a marriage made in heaven...I hope it happens for him both on and of the track
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Jun 11 2008, 01:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Great Post.

HRC definitely saw huge potential in Hayden, and wasted no time in snapping him up in '03, pulling the rug from under the feet of Yamaha in the process as I recall. At around this time attention was turning to hungry younger riders combined with the switch to 4 stroke, and there were many lining up on the grid that were passed their prime, unable/unwilling to change their style and perhaps circulating for nothing more than the incentive of a huge pay cheque.

But, I never really believed that Nicky was part of the overall grand plan. HRC wasted no time lobbing Kato onto the diesel, as I recall fresh from the eight hour he landed the gig in Brno in '02. The full factory support that swung to Gresini the following year was intended to nurture Daichan and ended up benefitting Sete, which is why he was suddenly able to challenge Vale more convincingly than others in '03 and '04. All along Dani was seen as the up and coming understudy to Kato and it's a no brainer that HRC would have immediately installed Daijiro in Vale's vacated seat at Repsol in '04. Two years later, with all eyes on Pedrosa, I don't think HRC expected Nicky to win the title in '06, and as we know, they certainly didn't do as much as they could have done to expedite his championship bid in the process.

How many blades have HRC sold in the US since they signed Nicky? Hugh Laurie rides a Repsol Honda rep in House for Christ sake...hard to envisage happening when Ukawa had the ride. Clearly Nicky wasn't snatched up by HRC for merely commercial reasons, otherwise he would've been placed in a satellite team..they saw enormous potential coinciding with the coming of the 4 stroke era, but they also percieved similar marketing potential which is just as dehumanising as their all pervading "it's all in the bike not the rider" philosophy. Remember another reason Vale left is because Honda wanted partial ownership of his image rights. A decade and a half before that, HRC lost Lawson for the same reason..they failed to acknowledge the real value of his talent, and treated him like any other employee. (In the case of Dani, they don't have to quibble about image rights...because he doesn't have one.) But when Pedrosa threatened to walk..even HRC took notice, and they're delivering, because since the tragic death of Kato he's always been the focus of the grand ultimate 'design'. Nicky is sadly irrelevant, out of the equation, and as Pete says there seems to be little in the way of gratitude towards his achievements and effort. Even if the Ducati doesn't suit him, the team will...it's a marriage made in heaven...I hope it happens for him both on and of the track
...yea another damn fine post.

I've noticed since Nick won the championship in 06 he has picked up some respect on this board by members who previously disliked him. Even though Nick is too nice for his own good, I doubt very seriously anyone on this board would turn down having a beer with him if they had the chance.......well except Pinky of course.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Jun 11 2008, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Great Post.

HRC definitely saw huge potential in Hayden, and wasted no time in snapping him up in '03, pulling the rug from under the feet of Yamaha in the process as I recall. At around this time attention was turning to hungry younger riders combined with the switch to 4 stroke, and there were many lining up on the grid that were passed their prime, unable/unwilling to change their style and perhaps circulating for nothing more than the incentive of a huge pay cheque.

But, I never really believed that Nicky was part of the overall grand plan. HRC wasted no time lobbing Kato onto the diesel, as I recall fresh from the eight hour he landed the gig in Brno in '02. The full factory support that swung to Gresini the following year was intended to nurture Daichan and ended up benefitting Sete, which is why he was suddenly able to challenge Vale more convincingly than others in '03 and '04. All along Dani was seen as the up and coming understudy to Kato and it's a no brainer that HRC would have immediately installed Daijiro in Vale's vacated seat at Repsol in '04. Two years later, with all eyes on Pedrosa, I don't think HRC expected Nicky to win the title in '06, and as we know, they certainly didn't do as much as they could have done to expedite his championship bid in the process.

How many blades have HRC sold in the US since they signed Nicky? Hugh Laurie rides a Repsol Honda rep in House for Christ sake...hard to envisage happening when Ukawa had the ride. Clearly Nicky wasn't snatched up by HRC for merely commercial reasons, otherwise he would've been placed in a satellite team..they saw enormous potential coinciding with the coming of the 4 stroke era, but they also percieved similar marketing potential which is just as dehumanising as their all pervading "it's all in the bike not the rider" philosophy. Remember another reason Vale left is because Honda wanted partial ownership of his image rights. A decade and a half before that, HRC lost Lawson for the same reason..they failed to acknowledge the real value of his talent, and treated him like any other employee. (In the case of Dani, they don't have to quibble about image rights...because he doesn't have one.) But when Pedrosa threatened to walk..even HRC took notice, and they're delivering, because since the tragic death of Kato he's always been the focus of the grand ultimate 'design'. Nicky is sadly irrelevant, out of the equation, and as Pete says there seems to be little in the way of gratitude towards his achievements and effort. Even if the Ducati doesn't suit him, the team will...it's a marriage made in heaven...I hope it happens for him both on and of the track


Agree with that totally.

I still dont see Nick lifting the title again, but I'd like to see the guy getting the chance to ride a bike that he can run upfront on. If he can get this at Ducati, then go for it Nicky, even us mindless cheerleaders will back you for it. (like Nicky cares what me an Rog think!)

Watching him on the Honda is like death by 1000 cuts.

Pete
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L8Braker @ Jun 11 2008, 08:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...yea another damn fine post.

I've noticed since Nick won the championship in 06 he has picked up some respect on this board by members who previously disliked him. Even though Nick is too nice for his own good, I doubt very seriously anyone on this board would turn down having a beer with him if they had the chance.......well except Pinky of course.
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Luckily, Nicky would turn him down first. You dunno where Pinky has been......
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Pete
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Jun 11 2008, 08:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Agree with that totally.

I still dont see Nick lifting the title again, but I'd like to see the guy getting the chance to ride a bike that he can run upfront on. If he can get this at Ducati, then go for it Nicky, even us mindless cheerleaders will back you for it. (like Nicky cares what me an Rog think!)

Watching him on the Honda is like death by 1000 cuts.

Pete
i hope he does jack hrc for ducati and get back to the sharp end again. i dont like to kick a man when he's down especially when its not all his own fault for being down, i would have a beer with nicky if given the chance and i would tell him straigh, stop being a door mat and start planningthe rest of your career. loyalty is a 2 way street imo.

off topic but just lately there have been some great threads debating riders other than the rossi stoner my boys better than yours threads, i wonder why ?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jun 11 2008, 11:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i would have a beer with nicky if given the chance
Rog, who are you kidding, you would have a beer with anybody if it was given.
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Pete & Arrab, great posts. I would add my two cents but I'm way to biased on this issue (as you well know). Nice to see Nicky not being bashed for a change.
 

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