You speak from ignorance as ever. I never "Lurked". I had nothing but friendly interactions with everyone on Rog's site. I rather hoped it would blossom- but it suffered from Internet invisibility. Even Rog and I had many pleasant interactions. He was totally civil and I in return.
Lashing out at Birdman for pointing out your pattern of behavior.
You have been caught in several lies in this thread alone. Lies ranging from the pathetic to outright fantasy. You insulted Roger until he left Powerslide, and after he left you've continued to talk .... about him. Its one of the things I pointed out when I rejoined Powerslide which upset you. Roger is one of the several members you were talking about that supposedly ruined Powerslide. Birdman remembers because I PMed him to thank him for defending me over a year or two ago. At the time the forum was practically abandoned, and while you Keshav were discussing me, Jumkie in terms of how the forum was better without me, Birdman pointing out it was .........
He pointed out Powerslide had not turned into this Utopia that you had predicted. In fact the opposite occurred, with you at the helm, it was practically on life support, but perhaps that is your aim (more on that below) I used to lurk back then, partly because you were talking .... about me, a person who once opened his home to you. When I rejoined the site I confronted you about it, you've never been able to let it go, then again perhaps that is the point of your activity here.
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To Powersliders:
This should give all of you pause: Powerslide has never been as lively as when Roger was here. Keshav is one of the main reason he left. The forum became a ghost town. It wasn't until some of the members return, members Kesh had labeled as unworthy ....., yet the forum returned to some normality, a lively space for all types of discussion. Think about it, a return of members Kesh had labeled as ruinous actually brought the forum back to some life. Why does this bother Kesh so much that he underhandly continues to sow discord? Take another look at the thread titled: 'Untouchables'. It ended in a flame war where Kesh even went after moderate members such as Michaelm and Birdman. But allow me to tell you one reason Roger's forum dissolved. If you guessed it has to do with Kesh, you would be right.
Let me back up a bit...
Birdman pointed out in his post
the odd fact Kesh insisted on joining the very space where Roger (and others) he had labeled as ruinous members. Nobody else finds this odd. That is, Kesh sought to interact with members he hated! Kesh has another odd pattern that seemingly has gone unnoticed, he says he doesn't instigate however you need not go very far, just look back to post 43 of this thread!
Keshav insulted Roger then used a leverage against him to join his site.
Roger announced that he would not ban people, a forum principle Kesh used as a wedge to be around a man and his wife he had caused grief. Some much grief to the point that at one time Roger really wanted to kick his .... Oh, yeah,
we say here readily just ignore it, but who here has ignored a direct personal insult? Seriously, raise your hand, because you are rare. I can rattle of ten active members right now who have engaged in heated reactions and interactions.
.... even here it seems the off topic can't be ignored as some have expressed their annoyance.
Its annoyance until somebody goes after them, then it's game on! Consider Roger wanted nothing to do with Keshav, he even blocked Kesh from receiving PMs. But as Birdman pointed out Keshav has a pattern of placing himself where he knows he is a lighting rod, why would that be? Cool Blue, any theories?
Keshav says some things that sound good but always
acts in the opposite way. Frankly it amazes me how easily many don't catch on to this pattern. This fact has been tested and repeated with the same outcome.
Kesh seeks to interact with those he supposedly doesn't want to interact with! Why, have any of you asked this question? Especially those who are annoyed by the flame wars that spark up routinely by Keshav.
Have any of you wondered why Kesh agreed to cease interactions but then has never kept his word? Have any of you wondered why
despite offers to send a donation to a charity Keshav is unwilling to agree to stop interacting with a person such as me that he calls a turd?
The moral of the story he posted about the Hasidic Jew was the revelation that he should stop interacting with those he labeled as ..... Yet it's only served to increase his interaction with us ten fold. Have any of you wondered why this pattern has repeated itself for years?
At least twice Keshav has appealed to other members to chime in to ask for a flame war to stop, ye has given his word, and when a member has asked (Yamaka46 & Gaz) Keshav has not kept his word. Two flame wars ago (crazy that episodes can be numbered)
I repeatedly quoted Keshav's giving his word to cease. He then weaseled out
saying the conditions of offering his word were not met. Think about this for a moment, why would he need to create conditions instead of just agreeing to stop the feud? Despite me providing screenshots and specific quotes, he failed to keep his word.
Of those of you annoyed that threads are ruined with flame wars, have you ever asked why Keshav keeps moving the goal post? Perhaps Kesh wants to continue interaction because he knows they are provocations!
For those of you still not convinced there is a pattern, and think Kesh's attack on this thread on JKD wasn't a straight up provocation and without context, then see here:
http://motogpforum.com/motogp/16683-untouchables-58.html#post393926 JKD, like me have repeated asked him to cease interaction, yet he has insisted, why?
Speaking of which, if Kesh were really interesting in talking racing on a forum free of these awful ruinous members that supposedly bother him, I have suggested he move his interactions over to the motomatter forum. All insightful intelligent discussion, moderated to eliminate these types of members that Kesh labels as turds. Why hasn't he gone there? Perhaps he wouldn't survive, given his pathological interest is to ruin forums while claiming some kind of sick delusional mania that he's here to save forums. Cool Blue, any theories?
The demise of SS (that other forum)
Keshav joined the forum (SS) with the leverage that Roger would not break his word of banning people. However,
Keshav's presence prompted Roger to create a "fight club" board. Let me explain the invention, to keep the threads clear of exactly these types of flame wars you are all presently reading, Roger would move posts to a board labeled Fight Club.
The forum didn't survive long after that action. Kesh for all in tents and purposes killed that forum. Soon after interactions slowly diminished and eventually died.
Low and behold, Keshav has tried to recreate a 'fight club' here! Why would someone want to recreate the condition that ultimately led to the demise of another forum? You can
scroll down the Lounge board right now, see that he opened a thread so that he can continue fighting with people. Have any of you wondered why Keshav would want a space where he can
continue to actively and perpetually fight? Wouldn't it be easier and make more sense not to fight? Does that sound like a man who wants peace?
Birdman (and anybody interested) do you find it odd that all the members who Kesh has
labeled as ruining the forum are the ones pointing out Keshav is at the center of instigation? JohnK, Mdub, Me, Povol, and now you Birdman, each of us have pointed out the fact Keshav has engaged in provocation. Does it seem odd that all these supposed awful members interact civilly with other members
wilst Kesh supposedly only here to talk racing attacked JKD unprovoked in this very thread? For years Kesh has repeated this line that other members are ruining this forum, even before he gave it a name which he dubbed the
Gang of Four, Five, and I suspect
now Six (a term he himself admits inflames reactions). If we count Roger,
Seven. And if a few others could muster the courage to call Kesh out that
Gang would swell to 10+.
Its become for me an interesting social experiment. Here is another odd pattern typical of Kesh, notice he will go full personal attack and insult, then seemingly forget he said all these awful things about you then out of the blue quote you and add an emoticon (rolling eyes), as nothing previously happened. This I think fools those not quite paying attention to construe his interaction as
"good fun" and "innocent banter" (as described by Migs) or
"mild jibes" ( as described by Kesh himself). Except he went ballistic on JP in this thread for a "mild jibe" (you know according to his definition). I've even had a friend tell me one of Keshav's attempts to interact with me (despite my repeated requests to truce by agreeing to be free from eachother's contact) as Keshav's version of an "olive branch".
If I went after any of you reading this with half the person .... Kesh has lobbed at me, I could see you really ignoring me when I try to interact with you. JohnnyK describes this pattern above nicely, Kesh comes on and slanders, attacks and insults your very existence, then as if nothing has happened he will quote you with some interaction as if hey, we're going out for beers now right? Even though I just said a click away you are a worthless human being.
The Forum Friend Eliminator
Its a nickname I've made for Keshav, who I've also called the forum cancer.
I challenge any of you to come up with one member here who has caused real friendships to be damaged. Just one.
Keshav has managed it! He has caused people we can be named by name that have left specifically because of Kesh. This from a person who repeats the claim is interested in the health of this forum, who already caused partly the demise of another such space.
I have to admit, Keshav's negative cancerous vibe affects even my perspective of others here sometimes, which frankly I should apologize to those members. Where I have to check myself. But then again,
that's exactly how cancer works, it eats away at healthy thriving parts. I should point out Roger's forum also had some of Keshav's friends, like MickD and Dr. No, it wasnt until these wars flare up that I've had negative interations with them, where on SS i never did. Which i lament, but then again thats how cancer works, it eats away at working parts. For example, when others chime or who I know decidedly don't by omission, I feel compelled to point out my perspective on it,
which I'm sure creates tension. But on the flip side, I can also relate to omission because I did the same .... when Keshav was going after Roger, which I regret btw. But I understand it and do accept it as best I can, I am after all human too. However, chiming in with supposed impartiality when there is a
discernible right and wrong wilst venting annoyance that threads are ruined does bother me. It shouldn't I suppose but it does. Its the same with those offering advice to just ignore Kesh when they themselves didn't now nor would be able to, so as a social experiment, this thing is fascinating.
