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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Jun 11 2006, 12:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I heard that Maeda has died. What a waste. Seamus is very very ill, and he's a real nice guy too. I'm from Ireland and have raced in Ireland. I firmly believe that all racing on public roads should have been banned 30 years ago. Irish racing even on closed circuits is in the dark ages and is run by a bunch of gerriatric idiots. The TT is the same, how many more guys have to get wiped out before somebody does something about it? Don't start me.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Best Man @ Jun 11 2006, 11:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>its not really about experience alex.. the course is just so dangerous. its not like a racing circuit where you have run off areas and gravel traps.. on the TT if you come off you're straight into a wall. and bear in mind the course is run on public roads so you have all the hazards such as kerbing on the pavement. you clip that on a bike and you're coming straight off
Couldn`t agree more
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (46marijke69 @ Jun 11 2006, 11:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So I don't think that the races continue due to the fact that the Isle of man is a sovereign state and it's good for their economy, but because of the riders that just WANT to race there. Let them race, it's dangerous and they know it...
But you can`t always trust people to do what`s best for them. The Isle of mann could be in a lake of lava crawling with dinosaurs and some of those guys would still ride the TT. They get blinded by the glory and neglect their own safety. Sometimes you gotta TELL them not to race, you can`t trust them to act responsibly. Ban the TT. It`s nothing but a glorified high octane bloodbath.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Best Man @ Jun 11 2006, 11:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>its not really about experience alex.. the course is just so dangerous. its not like a racing circuit where you have run off areas and gravel traps.. on the TT if you come off you're straight into a wall. and bear in mind the course is run on public roads so you have all the hazards such as kerbing on the pavement. you clip that on a bike and you're coming straight off
Couldn`t agree more
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (46marijke69 @ Jun 11 2006, 11:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So I don't think that the races continue due to the fact that the Isle of man is a sovereign state and it's good for their economy, but because of the riders that just WANT to race there. Let them race, it's dangerous and they know it...
But you can`t always trust people to do what`s best for them. The Isle of mann could be in a lake of lava crawling with dinosaurs and some of those guys would still ride the TT. They get blinded by the glory and neglect their own safety. Sometimes you gotta TELL them not to race, you can`t trust them to act responsibly. Ban the TT. It`s nothing but a glorified high octane bloodbath.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (46marijke69 @ Jun 11 2006, 01:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So I don't think that the races continue due to the fact that the Isle of man is a sovereign state and it's good for their economy.........thet's EXACTLY why it continues, the Island's only industry is tourisim, the TT is not the only race there all year, there's the Manx, the Southern 100, and a few smaller races but the whole Island is geared up to catering for racing spectators and visitors. Every other house is a B&B. When the race is finally abandoned which I hope is yesterday, the IOM govt will have to find another tourist attraction.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Jun 12 2006, 08:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Couldn`t agree more
But you can`t always trust people to do what`s best for them. The Isle of mann could be in a lake of lava crawling with dinosaurs and some ( Edit- 'all' ) of those guys would still ride the TT. Ban the TT.Here is the truth!
But you can`t always trust people to do what`s best for them. The Isle of mann could be in a lake of lava crawling with dinosaurs and some ( Edit- 'all' ) of those guys would still ride the TT. Ban the TT.Here is the truth!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Jun 12 2006, 09:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Couldn`t agree more
But you can`t always trust people to do what`s best for them. The Isle of mann could be in a lake of lava crawling with dinosaurs and some of those guys would still ride the TT. They get blinded by the glory and neglect their own safety. Sometimes you gotta TELL them not to race, you can`t trust them to act responsibly. Ban the TT. It`s nothing but a glorified high octane bloodbath.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Jun 12 2006, 10:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>....thet's EXACTLY why it continues, the Island's only industry is tourisim, the TT is not the only race there all year, there's the Manx, the Southern 100, and a few smaller races but the whole Island is geared up to catering for racing spectators and visitors. Every other house is a B&B. When the race is finally abandoned which I hope is yesterday, the IOM govt will have to find another tourist attraction.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Jun 12 2006, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Here is the truth!
people have the right to do what ever they want. believe me, if I had the oppurtunity to ban the TT, I would do it, but these people are adults! In 'normal' live you've got to think for yourself and take responsibility for your own actions. so if these guys want to race, even with the dinosaurs, let them, it's their choice! The best thing we can do is to try to make things as safe as possible for the people who DON'T choose to be involved with the races. we can't always be the one holding our hands above the heads of the irresponsible people to make sure they're safe
I'm glad these people race on that Island and not in streetraces
You're right skidmark, when you say it's a good income for the isle, but I don't see the problem in that. it's the same when people are telling us that smoking is bad for you and you risk your health, but because of it's danger, you're going to smoke because it gives you pleasure knowing that it is dangerous. from all the bad things the sigarets and the TT bring, let there be 1 profit coming from it: the income they bring for the governement
But you can`t always trust people to do what`s best for them. The Isle of mann could be in a lake of lava crawling with dinosaurs and some of those guys would still ride the TT. They get blinded by the glory and neglect their own safety. Sometimes you gotta TELL them not to race, you can`t trust them to act responsibly. Ban the TT. It`s nothing but a glorified high octane bloodbath.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Jun 12 2006, 10:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>....thet's EXACTLY why it continues, the Island's only industry is tourisim, the TT is not the only race there all year, there's the Manx, the Southern 100, and a few smaller races but the whole Island is geared up to catering for racing spectators and visitors. Every other house is a B&B. When the race is finally abandoned which I hope is yesterday, the IOM govt will have to find another tourist attraction.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Jun 12 2006, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Here is the truth!
people have the right to do what ever they want. believe me, if I had the oppurtunity to ban the TT, I would do it, but these people are adults! In 'normal' live you've got to think for yourself and take responsibility for your own actions. so if these guys want to race, even with the dinosaurs, let them, it's their choice! The best thing we can do is to try to make things as safe as possible for the people who DON'T choose to be involved with the races. we can't always be the one holding our hands above the heads of the irresponsible people to make sure they're safe
I'm glad these people race on that Island and not in streetraces
You're right skidmark, when you say it's a good income for the isle, but I don't see the problem in that. it's the same when people are telling us that smoking is bad for you and you risk your health, but because of it's danger, you're going to smoke because it gives you pleasure knowing that it is dangerous. from all the bad things the sigarets and the TT bring, let there be 1 profit coming from it: the income they bring for the governement
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I know one thing for sure, they wont stop the TT before next years 100th centenary!! That sure is going to be one bike event - I'm considering going myself for the first time.
I watched some of the highlights of the TT over the weekend. All guys that road race have some serious cast iron balls and the skill to match, watching riders head through (someone correct me if I'm wrong here) bray hill? at 170 inches from the pavement is seriously .... your pants time just watching.
I'd really like to hear what its like Skid compared to just "normal" fast road riding to road racing?
Just found a wee clip of the section I was talking about (its just after the start ) where the camera is fixed in the path - this years camera was facing the other way and the speed seemed even faster (prob coz it was on the exit and the effect of passing a camera rather than approaching a camera seems fastter)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1nVZ9bi1FQ
I watched some of the highlights of the TT over the weekend. All guys that road race have some serious cast iron balls and the skill to match, watching riders head through (someone correct me if I'm wrong here) bray hill? at 170 inches from the pavement is seriously .... your pants time just watching.
I'd really like to hear what its like Skid compared to just "normal" fast road riding to road racing?
Just found a wee clip of the section I was talking about (its just after the start ) where the camera is fixed in the path - this years camera was facing the other way and the speed seemed even faster (prob coz it was on the exit and the effect of passing a camera rather than approaching a camera seems fastter)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1nVZ9bi1FQ
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But still, you put a rider such as Valentino Rossi in the Isle of Man TT he would be right up there with the top, maybe winning it. You tell me experience means nothing?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Alex @ Jun 12 2006, 05:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But still, you put a rider such as Valentino Rossi in the Isle of Man TT he would be right up there with the top, maybe winning it. You tell me experience means nothing?
as ooost said he wouldnt do it. experience isnt the issue. on a course like that you could have the most experienced rider in the world and one tiny mistake would cost them big time. notice how the riders struggle to control the bikes over the bumps in the clip. think about stoner coming off in the last race and then think if that was on the TT course he'd have been killed for sure
as ooost said he wouldnt do it. experience isnt the issue. on a course like that you could have the most experienced rider in the world and one tiny mistake would cost them big time. notice how the riders struggle to control the bikes over the bumps in the clip. think about stoner coming off in the last race and then think if that was on the TT course he'd have been killed for sure
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at least im not rossis biggest fan anymore
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (46marijke69 @ Jun 11 2006, 07:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>because of the riders that just WANT to race there. Let them race, it's dangerous and they know it...
here here!
here here!
I'm going to say this and then I'm gonna butt out of this one because it always ends the same way. I've been involved in this discussion many many times and there are lots of opinions on it, all of which are completely valid and it's something I feel very strongly about.
First of all I never raced on a closed public road, ever. I only ever raced on 'proper' circuits. I always wanted to race on the roads from I was very little but by the time I'd finished my rookie season and been granted an 'A' license which permitted me to enter 'real' roadraces, my opinion had changed. I had been to a couple of funerals and greeted parents who had sons killed who were just like me. I never wanted to put my folks through that ...., nothing is worth that. I'd fallen off a heap of times in that first learning year, some of them pretty hairy get-offs so the thought of hitting a stone wall or iron gate into the bargain kind of put me off the idea. It's not the falling off that hurts, it's the coming to a sudden stop. That's only my experience on a personal level and it's not the main reason why I'm against 'real' roadracing.
In the years that I've been old enough to follow Irish racing, ( I'm 34 ) some truly great riders have been killed. Dozens. Going back to Tom Herron who was killed in 1979 who, at the time was in the top 5 in the 500cc world championship. Neil Robinson and Norman Brown, both of whom were on the brink of gp careers. Every year is dotted with a handful of riders, some mid-fielders and some real talents, all dead. Right up to the most famous, probably, Joey Dunlop. Road Racing in Ireland is more dangerous than the TT, that's unquestionable. At the TT, it's a time trial with staggered starts, in Ireland all races are mass starts, you do the math. There is a change of heart now, where young riders now see it as acceptable to shun traditional road racing and race in the british championships, something I applaud but not all 'kids' can afford it as it's very expensive. The sport in Ireland is run by men of questionable intellect with values stuck firmly in the 1960's. As long as this situation continues and racing on the roads is viewed as 'as far as you can go' in our sport then we will wait a very long time for another Jeremy McWilliams to come along, and riders will get killed. There is a ........ argument that road racing will go 'underground' and illegal races will be held if it is banned, that will never happen. Improve facilities and championship sponsorship and things will change, but change they must.
First of all I never raced on a closed public road, ever. I only ever raced on 'proper' circuits. I always wanted to race on the roads from I was very little but by the time I'd finished my rookie season and been granted an 'A' license which permitted me to enter 'real' roadraces, my opinion had changed. I had been to a couple of funerals and greeted parents who had sons killed who were just like me. I never wanted to put my folks through that ...., nothing is worth that. I'd fallen off a heap of times in that first learning year, some of them pretty hairy get-offs so the thought of hitting a stone wall or iron gate into the bargain kind of put me off the idea. It's not the falling off that hurts, it's the coming to a sudden stop. That's only my experience on a personal level and it's not the main reason why I'm against 'real' roadracing.
In the years that I've been old enough to follow Irish racing, ( I'm 34 ) some truly great riders have been killed. Dozens. Going back to Tom Herron who was killed in 1979 who, at the time was in the top 5 in the 500cc world championship. Neil Robinson and Norman Brown, both of whom were on the brink of gp careers. Every year is dotted with a handful of riders, some mid-fielders and some real talents, all dead. Right up to the most famous, probably, Joey Dunlop. Road Racing in Ireland is more dangerous than the TT, that's unquestionable. At the TT, it's a time trial with staggered starts, in Ireland all races are mass starts, you do the math. There is a change of heart now, where young riders now see it as acceptable to shun traditional road racing and race in the british championships, something I applaud but not all 'kids' can afford it as it's very expensive. The sport in Ireland is run by men of questionable intellect with values stuck firmly in the 1960's. As long as this situation continues and racing on the roads is viewed as 'as far as you can go' in our sport then we will wait a very long time for another Jeremy McWilliams to come along, and riders will get killed. There is a ........ argument that road racing will go 'underground' and illegal races will be held if it is banned, that will never happen. Improve facilities and championship sponsorship and things will change, but change they must.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Jun 13 2006, 10:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm going to say this and then I'm gonna butt out of this one because it always ends the same way. I've been involved in this discussion many many times and there are lots of opinions on it, all of which are completely valid and it's something I feel very strongly about.
First of all I never raced on a closed public road, ever. I only ever raced on 'proper' circuits. I always wanted to race on the roads from I was very little but by the time I'd finished my rookie season and been granted an 'A' license which permitted me to enter 'real' roadraces, my opinion had changed. I had been to a couple of funerals and greeted parents who had sons killed who were just like me. I never wanted to put my folks through that ...., nothing is worth that. I'd fallen off a heap of times in that first learning year, some of them pretty hairy get-offs so the thought of hitting a stone wall or iron gate into the bargain kind of put me off the idea. It's not the falling off that hurts, it's the coming to a sudden stop. That's only my experience on a personal level and it's not the main reason why I'm against 'real' roadracing.
In the years that I've been old enough to follow Irish racing, ( I'm 34 ) some truly great riders have been killed. Dozens. Going back to Tom Herron who was killed in 1979 who, at the time was in the top 5 in the 500cc world championship. Neil Robinson and Norman Brown, both of whom were on the brink of gp careers. Every year is dotted with a handful of riders, some mid-fielders and some real talents, all dead. Right up to the most famous, probably, Joey Dunlop. Road Racing in Ireland is more dangerous than the TT, that's unquestionable. At the TT, it's a time trial with staggered starts, in Ireland all races are mass starts, you do the math. There is a change of heart now, where young riders now see it as acceptable to shun traditional road racing and race in the british championships, something I applaud but not all 'kids' can afford it as it's very expensive. The sport in Ireland is run by men of questionable intellect with values stuck firmly in the 1960's. As long as this situation continues and racing on the roads is viewed as 'as far as you can go' in our sport then we will wait a very long time for another Jeremy McWilliams to come along, and riders will get killed. There is a ........ argument that road racing will go 'underground' and illegal races will be held if it is banned, that will never happen. Improve facilities and championship sponsorship and things will change, but change they must.
good read & respect ur opinion........ dunlop was the greatest!
First of all I never raced on a closed public road, ever. I only ever raced on 'proper' circuits. I always wanted to race on the roads from I was very little but by the time I'd finished my rookie season and been granted an 'A' license which permitted me to enter 'real' roadraces, my opinion had changed. I had been to a couple of funerals and greeted parents who had sons killed who were just like me. I never wanted to put my folks through that ...., nothing is worth that. I'd fallen off a heap of times in that first learning year, some of them pretty hairy get-offs so the thought of hitting a stone wall or iron gate into the bargain kind of put me off the idea. It's not the falling off that hurts, it's the coming to a sudden stop. That's only my experience on a personal level and it's not the main reason why I'm against 'real' roadracing.
In the years that I've been old enough to follow Irish racing, ( I'm 34 ) some truly great riders have been killed. Dozens. Going back to Tom Herron who was killed in 1979 who, at the time was in the top 5 in the 500cc world championship. Neil Robinson and Norman Brown, both of whom were on the brink of gp careers. Every year is dotted with a handful of riders, some mid-fielders and some real talents, all dead. Right up to the most famous, probably, Joey Dunlop. Road Racing in Ireland is more dangerous than the TT, that's unquestionable. At the TT, it's a time trial with staggered starts, in Ireland all races are mass starts, you do the math. There is a change of heart now, where young riders now see it as acceptable to shun traditional road racing and race in the british championships, something I applaud but not all 'kids' can afford it as it's very expensive. The sport in Ireland is run by men of questionable intellect with values stuck firmly in the 1960's. As long as this situation continues and racing on the roads is viewed as 'as far as you can go' in our sport then we will wait a very long time for another Jeremy McWilliams to come along, and riders will get killed. There is a ........ argument that road racing will go 'underground' and illegal races will be held if it is banned, that will never happen. Improve facilities and championship sponsorship and things will change, but change they must.
good read & respect ur opinion........ dunlop was the greatest!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...kes/6616941.stm
Another guy gets it, what a waste. I knew John really well, used to tune my engines for me, he was a genius at it too. Real straight-up guy. How many more? Say a prayer for him. RIP
Another guy gets it, what a waste. I knew John really well, used to tune my engines for me, he was a genius at it too. Real straight-up guy. How many more? Say a prayer for him. RIP
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ May 7 2007, 03:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>wow sorry to hear this.
i know how u feel paul but they choose to do this.Yeah i know this is true frosty, still makes me sad especially in this case. you know my thoughts on it anyway.
