No more money for Honda in MotoGp

No more money to transform Honda’s fortunes

By Matthew Birt -

22 December 2009 16:15

Honda will not spend more money to try and claim a rare MotoGP world championship victory in 2010.

Severely affected by the impact of the global economic crisis, Honda will have no budget increase to try and stop Yamaha and Ducati’s recent domination of the MotoGP world championship.

Honda has yet to win in the 800cc era and its factory RC212V machine has been no match for Yamaha’s YZR-M1 or Ducati’s Desmosedici.

Ducati has won 21 races since the start of 2007 and Yamaha 24 in the same period.

HRC though has seen the RC212V win just seven races and the once dominant Japanese factory has won only one premier class world title since 2003 when Nicky Hayden triumphed in the last 990cc four-stroke series in ’06.

Asked whether it would take larger cash investment from HRC to win back the world title, HRC boss Shuhei Nakamoto said: “There is no increase in budget from Honda.

"Maybe it will be the same as this year, which makes it difficult for our machine development. Even if we had the same budget as the US Government it would not be enough!"
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hmm Sat teams arn't going to get jack .... then in 2010
and will the factory team end up like Hayate no improvements all year..??
could it be a Yam Duc battle before 2010 even starts


p.s (theres been talk Yam are worst placed coming into the 6 engine rule)
lets say Yam have to restrict there motor etc for the 6 engine rule crap and Duc get it sorted bet were in for a long season snorefeest

The 6 engine rule must be Dorn's biggest .... up to date

As for Honda saving money they should sack Pedrosa mabey Dovi too. Imagine Marco and Hiroshi on Factory Rcv's

Well DUHHH... the extra dough's going into the development of a 1000... WTF would they throw good money after bad??

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FiveWaysHaze @ Dec 22 2009, 01:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The 6 engine rule must be Dorn's biggest .... up to date

As for Honda saving money they should sack Pedrosa mabey Dovi too. Imagine Marco and Hiroshi on Factory Rcv's


Hey - I AGREE - with all of the above and question why anyone would put extra money into developing the 800's - but everything else aside - Honda didn't say no more money like in no spending - they said no increase in budget like in spending same again as in previous year. I believe that I read somewhere that Honda already spends more than any other manufacturer. It would be very interesting if anyone can provide any input about who - Honda, Yamaha, Ducati ..... already spend - like in 2008/ 09. I don't believe that Honda's problem is only development cost, but lack of focus and general arrogance to their riders - not to mention general lack of their riders' development know-how.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ptk50 @ Dec 22 2009, 02:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey - I AGREE - with all of the above and question why anyone would put extra money into developing the 800's - but everything else aside - Honda didn't say no more money like in no spending - they said no increase in budget like in spending same again as in previous year. I believe that I read somewhere that Honda already spends more than any other manufacturer. It would be very interesting if anyone can provide any input about who - Honda, Yamaha, Ducati ..... already spend - like in 2008/ 09. I don't believe that Honda's problem is only development cost, but lack of focus and general arrogance to their riders - not to mention general lack of their riders' development know-how.

Honda is a regular season race winner and podium finisher, and previously runner up in the championship with 800s. Some might say they are "no where" and in the "wilderness".

Dont worry, they will live.

I'm pretty sure Honda spends much more money than Ducati (for example) anyway so who cares?

Who authored this press release Rossi? Sound like HRC is using Rossi's tactic of whining
to the public to get things swayed in their favor.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JohnnyKnockdown @ Dec 22 2009, 11:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Who authored this press release Rossi? Sound like HRC is using Rossi's tactic of whining
to the public to get things swayed in their favor.


If Honda left MotoGP it would be bad - If Rossi left MotoGP - a Catastrophy

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ptk50 @ Dec 23 2009, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If Honda left MotoGP it would be bad - If Rossi left MotoGP - a Catastrophy
You've got that backwards. If Rossi left MotoGP it would be bad because it would lose out on the millions of disciples who care nothing more about the sport past Valentino's involvement. Unfortunate for the sponsors and the bottom line, but the sport will go on. Now if Honda leaves on the other hand, the grid shrinks by six (maybe seven? Having a hard time thinking this morning) bikes. That's 11/12 bikes on grid. The series would be dead.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ptk50 @ Dec 23 2009, 11:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If Honda left MotoGP it would be bad - If Rossi left MotoGP - a Catastrophy

Have to call ........ on that one . The great ones in any sport have a shelf life and Rossi is nearing his expiration date. Gp was big before Rossi and will be just fine when he leaves,maybe better,if they learn that no participant is bigger than the sport. Did the NBA fold after Jordan,the NFL after Payton,MLB after Aaron. Moto GP needs Honda, Yamaha, Ducati etc: way more than they need Rossi.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FiveWaysHaze @ Dec 22 2009, 05:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The 6 engine rule must be Dorn's biggest .... up to date

As for Honda saving money they should sack Pedrosa mabey Dovi too. Imagine Marco and Hiroshi on Factory Rcv's
The engine rule is ........ and won't do crap to reduce cost. Rather the opposite since the companies are forced to develop a stong long life motor, all the while they get ready to do it all over again from scratch for the new 1000cc rules. These guys making the rules are about as stupid as you can get.

The 6 engine rule is created to reduce costs, it worked in F1 and I don't see why it shouldn't work in MotoGP. It's a good idea in my opinion.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Dec 23 2009, 05:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The 6 engine rule is created to reduce costs, it worked in F1 and I don't see why it shouldn't work in MotoGP. It's a good idea in my opinion.


It could be argued both ways. The rule has +'s and -'s. 1 trip into the gravel and that could be engine ....... Im of the opinion that its a stupid rule and Dorna are a bunch of .... wits

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FiveWaysHaze @ Dec 22 2009, 10:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The 6 engine rule must be Dorn's biggest .... up to date

As for Honda saving money they should sack Pedrosa mabey Dovi too.

Honda's problems go MUCH deeper than the riders.
(Not disagreeing that Peddles needs to go, and I'd consider demoting Dovi back to the satellite bike.)

The fact that the backstabbing ....... Puig has been granted so much power is a huge warning sign. Alberto must be kissing plenty of ... in the boardroom; there are must be plenty of influential people who are willing to promote and support their 'buddy' over a competent (and sane!) manager. IMO, this suggests that the company's management chain is (surprise!) infested with politicking idiots. Anyone who's seen incompetent managers, and the incompetent suck-ups they protect, at work can appreciate how damaging they can be.

Yea, I know that Puig has supposedly been reigned in this year. (What's with this "reduced role" ....? Will someone please bite the bullet and FIRE the Mofo?!) It's been several months since the announcement, has anyone heard specifics? I bet there's one hell of a political ....-storm raging behind the scenes, with Puig sitting pretty in the middle, playing Repsol and Honda against one another.

Like the guy said, Honda could spend as much as the government, and they'd still produce crap. It's not the engineers, not the technicians, not the riders. It's the .......-..... managers! (It always is.)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Dec 23 2009, 08:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Have to call ........ on that one . The great ones in any sport have a shelf life and Rossi is nearing his expiration date. Gp was big before Rossi and will be just fine when he leaves,maybe better,if they learn that no participant is bigger than the sport. Did the NBA fold after Jordan,the NFL after Payton,MLB after Aaron. Moto GP needs Honda, Yamaha, Ducati etc: way more than they need Rossi.


Somehow I highly doubt that's how arrogant Rossi sees it, we're talking about a guy who thinks the world revolves around him.

GO HeyWhore! Lorenzo!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Dec 22 2009, 02:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well DUHHH... the extra dough's going into the development of a 1000... WTF would they throw good money after bad??

Yah beat me to it mate! By three days.

Apparently it's absolutely true, the 2010 RCV design has been compromised by the reduced budget.

Replace "Ducati" insert "Stoner" in that article and then it would be closer to what has really taken place.

The Yam's have been great, even the Sat's have had good runs on the Yam. The Ducati is hardly in the same category. Stoner is the only reason the bike is featured prominently.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Geonerd @ Dec 23 2009, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Honda's problems go MUCH deeper than the riders.
(Not disagreeing that Peddles needs to go, and I'd consider demoting Dovi back to the satellite bike.)

The fact that the backstabbing ....... Puig has been granted so much power is a huge warning sign. Alberto must be kissing plenty of ... in the boardroom; there are must be plenty of influential people who are willing to promote and support their 'buddy' over a competent (and sane!) manager. IMO, this suggests that the company's management chain is (surprise!) infested with politicking idiots. Anyone who's seen incompetent managers, and the incompetent suck-ups they protect, at work can appreciate how damaging they can be.

Yea, I know that Puig has supposedly been reigned in this year. (What's with this "reduced role" ....? Will someone please bite the bullet and FIRE the Mofo?!) It's been several months since the announcement, has anyone heard specifics? I bet there's one hell of a political ....-storm raging behind the scenes, with Puig sitting pretty in the middle, playing Repsol and Honda against one another.

Like the guy said, Honda could spend as much as the government, and they'd still produce crap. It's not the engineers, not the technicians, not the riders. It's the .......-..... managers! (It always is.)


Very very true! I believe getting back Livio is a sign that alberto pig is close to the exit door. At least I hope that is the plan. What they should do is, demote perdo & dovi between the half way point if, they are out classed by any of the sat riders. And promote the stronger riders.




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