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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Jul 20 2009, 07:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Some fans are more hard core than others. Having a shorter attention span for a race doesn't make one stupid, just not as dedicated or interested as others. In addition, casual fans may have a harder time "digesting" a longer race as the field spreads out and more riders get lapped, mixing the leaders with the back markers. Casual fans, who may not be up to date on who is who, could possibly lose track of the positions, making the race more difficult to "digest."

Does this make them stupid? No

Do promoters condescend to casual fans when they try to make things more simple? No, they just want to make the spectacle more enjoyable to a wider audience and get more viewers.

Why not make the race three laps then? If you're going to contend the point (by backing up Tom's assertion) that two races are done for the sake of the casual fan to digest the racing, then why have two races (since the casual fan, as you suggest has a short attention span)? Clearly the suggestion is that the casual fan, though not as interested (I'll buy it), and as you suggest, has a short attention span (lol, lol) would suffer at seeing two races (after-all, this was the context of the comment).

In addition, its hard for me to stomach your reasoning that the promoter isn't tweaking the spectacle to make it dumber, but is to make it "simple"? That is a rather convoluted explanation. Whether you admit it or not, the implication here is: "casual" fan must need assistance from the promoter in "digesting" the concept of lapped riders in addition to referencing the casual fan having a shorter attention span. I'm baffled why you have continued this line of reasoning which echo’s Tom. You've gone at length to try and justify Tom's condescending comment with an equally convoluted rational.

The only reasonable answer here is your last sentence, which I have highlighted. That's the only part that is reasonable, and perhaps the only reason a promoter tweaks the competition, which is like you say, to increase the spectacle of it all, that’s miles different then dumbing/simplifying it down, as you have now repeatedly suggested.
 
No real idea of the 'technical' answer so will just say something anyway (been in that kond of mood lately).

For me a lot of it is about differentiation and offering a package (of entertainment) that fan, regardless of whether they be a first time or a regular race goer will appreciate and recognise as offering great value.

A WSBK race weekend is not just about the two races as there are the support classes and associated spectacle (just as MotoGP) but by offering two races in the one day it allows the fan/spectator to 'get more bang for their buck' be that realistically or figuratively.

Further it differentiates clearly between MotoGP and the 'competition' package that is WSBK and given that in some places a fan may only be able to attend one such event, it may be the decisive factor.

Personally I enjoy the WSBK package of two races as often we see to totally different races unfold due to the changed conditions and I just find this 'special' to watch.

So in short, NFI but I do enjoy it









Garry
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Jul 21 2009, 03:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Some fans are more hard core than others. Having a shorter attention span for a race doesn't make one stupid, just not as dedicated or interested as others. In addition, casual fans may have a harder time "digesting" a longer race as the field spreads out and more riders get lapped, mixing the leaders with the back markers. Casual fans, who may not be up to date on who is who, could possibly lose track of the positions, making the race more difficult to "digest."

Does this make them stupid? No

Do promoters condescend to casual fans when they try to make things more simple? No, they just want to make the spectacle more enjoyable to a wider audience and get more viewers.

Thats exactly what i'm talking about. I think its a good sytem
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jul 20 2009, 11:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>For me a lot of it is about differentiation and offering a package (of entertainment) that fan, regardless of whether they be a first time or a regular race goer will appreciate and recognise as offering great value.

Sanity is restored to this thread. Thanks.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 21 2009, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thats exactly what i'm talking about. I think its a good sytem

Its damn fine racing,thats what it is mate.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 21 2009, 12:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why not make the race three laps then? If you're going to contend the point (by backing up Tom's assertion) that two races are done for the sake of the casual fan to digest the racing, then why have two races (since the casual fan, as you suggest has a short attention span)? Clearly the suggestion is that the casual fan, though not as interested (I'll buy it), and as you suggest, has a short attention span (lol, lol) would suffer at seeing two races (after-all, this was the context of the comment).

In addition, its hard for me to stomach your reasoning that the promoter isn't tweaking the spectacle to make it dumber, but is to make it "simple"? That is a rather convoluted explanation. Whether you admit it or not, the implication here is: "casual" fan must need assistance from the promoter in "digesting" the concept of lapped riders in addition to referencing the casual fan having a shorter attention span. I'm baffled why you have continued this line of reasoning which echo’s Tom. You've gone at length to try and justify Tom's condescending comment with an equally convoluted rational.

The only reasonable answer here is your last sentence, which I have highlighted. That's the only part that is reasonable, and perhaps the only reason a promoter tweaks the competition, which is like you say, to increase the spectacle of it all, that’s miles different then dumbing/simplifying it down, as you have now repeatedly suggested.

I was only thinking about what Tom might have meant by making a race "easier to digest." Nowhere did I mention "dumbing things down;" fixating on that phrase can give you a negative view right away! I specifically said that not being up to date on the series and having a shorter attention span for a race does not indicate stupidity.

I can rarely sit through a sporting event that isn't a race. If I'm curious about how things went down, I just catch the highlights. Does that mean I'm stupid? No, at least not for that reason.
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