MotoGP vs F1

Well I've watched F1 for years much longer than I have been able to watch MotoGP.

At the moment IMHO F1 is in a sad state of affairs and getting worse. When ever I watch a MotoGP race I see lots of overtaking, bravery, guys doing incredible things on bikes, great race craft, a titantic battle between manufactures. F1 I'm sorry is left far behind in all these regards.

There is no overtaking in F1 nearest you can see is if someone does a kamakaze move and it comes off, or they are infront of some quango court for the trouble the rest of it is in the pits how lame is that. Whats worse is the new idea is they are going to have 60/100 hp boost button to create overtaking, chezz how false is that going to be. Overtaking should be about spped off the corner and better braking, not and extra boost when you want it.

If you have watched F1 this year you must be board, cars cannot even get close to the rear of cars infront to do anything. The current aero package is garabge. If its one thing NASCAR does really well is they payout lots of money to test rule changes before they put them on track. With all the money thrown around F1 you think theyd pay someone to do some research.

Driver/Rider talent in F1 is much less on show than in F1. Bike riders have plenty of oppotunity for overtaking to show there skills, plus the equipment is a lot more even not so bigger gap between the topend of the field and the bottom end of the field. F1 there is really a few teams in it.

MotoGP is just a straight out qualifying session and a race, F1 has so many stupid rules, all the crap that goes on in qualifying chezz I like the old days back in the 70's when every session was a qualifing session simple fastest guy starts on pole, no restricted no of laps, no fuel restrictions no engine has to last, no one set of tyre's crap.

MotoGP is not burdoned with Eclestone/Mosely crew which all that seems to matter is money money money. Money should be going to the teams not to one of the richest men in the world something is way wrong there.

The biggest difference is bravery, a MotoGP rider falls off he is gonna get hurt, F1 guys have it so easy in comparison

Give me MotoGP anyday, I hope Rossi never goes there,F1 is so much about equipment there his talent may never be able to shine.

i agree 100% completely with you. these drivers in F1 are suppose to be the best in the world and when the only overtaking that goes on is in the pits, that tells you something is wrong.(and extremely boring)

If a driver has been able to keep from touching another car in the first corner then he will most likely finish where he is exiting the corner. id think that the best drivers in the world should be able to keep from coming in contact from eachother or make a pass on another driver.

a close race in F1 now is 2nd place being within 10 seconds of the leader, that to me is just plain old boring.

to me, MotoGP is lightyears ahead of F1 in the entertainment department. the bikes can go 3 or even 4 wide in to a corner and anyone of them could come out in front. although F1 is far different. the better car will almost always come out in front. that is if they manage to go in to the corner side by side.

i say MotoGP all the way-there is no better

My favorite quote from something i read on SpeedTV...

In a recent AutoWeek Magazine interview, even the great F1 Champion Michael Schumacher said “…if you want to watch racing, watch motorcycles.�

I like both F1 and MotoGP, current F1 rules suck, the cars can't get close to each other because they are very dependant on downforce. It's not the driver's fault, the problem is the rules.

Anyway I'm an Alonso fan so I'm enjoying the F1 season too.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GeNeRaL @ Aug 16 2005, 04:21 AM)<div class='quotemain'>My favorite quote from something i read on SpeedTV...

In a recent AutoWeek Magazine interview, even the great F1 Champion Michael Schumacher said “…if you want to watch racing, watch motorcycles.�
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That seals it for me,now can we ease down on the F1 ,people,makes me edgy seeing that word invading our board and fin post`s beginning with it.Lets get back to what we`re about and let F1 rot (for all I care).

I rather enjoy F1, yes the racing is a bit stale at the moment due to terrible rules but I am holding out hope. Perhaps the new V8s could create some action on track. Even if the racing portion is stale you have to admire all the skill that is apart of that show. Say what you will but those drivers are the best four wheeled drivers in the world bar none. And the technicians that develop aero packages, make engine mods and all that good stuff, they are among the most talented engineers in the world. It is perhaps the most technologically advanced sport in the world, a spectacle to display how far motorsport has come. Teo's going to be so disappointed in me, but I am a Jensen Button fan, sorry. Hopefully the new Williams/Cosworth is a competitive package as most are assuming, Button and Webber is a quite appealing team to me.

Don't get me wrong though, my allegiances and passion lie with two wheels but F1 is always something that interests me.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (drill @ Aug 16 2005, 08:05 AM)<div class='quotemain'>That seals it for me,now can we ease down on the F1 ,people,makes me edgy seeing that word invading our board and fin post`s beginning with it.Lets get back to what we`re about and let F1 rot (for all I care).  
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i agree drill. Fk f1 we all know what it's about here!

Well,

I've been an F1 fan for ages, my 21st birthday present from my parents was a holiday to the Monza race in 2000..........which was superb.

In recent years its got pretty drab, and I think I still watch it coz of nostalgia and because I've been a fan for so long.

Does F1 compare to motoGP?...........................I started a motoGP forum didnt I!!??..nuff said! Bike racing is far more exciting.

As mentioned they are two completey different sports, each with there own history and each with their own superstars.

This season has been the best in a good number of years, but I fear thats more down to Ferraris & Bridgestones lack of pace rather than the other teams (Renault & McLaren) jump to form....alhough its nice not to have Schy @ the front all the time. And yes, the lack of overtaking/aero issues needs looking into big time.....as does the politics of the sport (US gp for example).

I doubt I would pay to go a live race, unless the overtaking issues are sorted....but I still watch the races.

I was lucky enough to get a tour around the Williams factory last year, work of art is that place............a real eye opener!!

Ben.

p.s. Dont knock these threads......we are still ages of the next GP and need posts to keep us going!! lol

Constructive views my friends,I guess we`ll go with the flow

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (drill @ Aug 16 2005, 06:07 PM)<div class='quotemain'>Constructive views my friends,I guess we`ll go with the flow
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Mind you,we could talk SIDECARS? :smiliz20:

The latest F1 rules have ruined the sport in my mind. It seems that they are slowly reducing it to Nascar.

MotoGp is still very entertaining. Hopefully they won't ruin a good thing.

I know it used to be pretty dangerous but, in the 80's didnt F1 cars used to have like 1500hp, massive turbos and huge rear tyres? I know it might be going off topic and i know that was dangerous but they do need to spice it up a bit(a lot).

I know its the premier league as motogp is, and that a control tyre or engine would be pointless as its pure race prototypes, which means the constant development of the technology, but, something needs to be done to increase overtaking and something needs to be done to let the drivers skill have more of 'say' in the car/driver performance. (thats crap english i know)

You know what i mean though. Its said in bike racing that its 20% bike and 80% rider where as in F1 its more the other way around.

Hey drill Kev chill out man, goota do somethin over this break, I did notice there was a few guys here interested in F1, just wanted to get a few ideas so I might be able to go and stick it up em on a F1 forum.

This summer break is to long

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Its said in bike racing that its 20% bike and 80% rider where as in F1 its more the other way around

Yeah think you nailed it right on the head there, just can't beat a bit of bravery and danger I reckon

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marbles @ Aug 17 2005, 08:36 PM)<div class='quotemain'>Hey drill Kev chill out man, goota do somethin over this break, I did notice there was a few guys here interested in F1, just wanted to get a few ideas so I might be able to go and stick it up em on a F1 forum.       

This summer break is to long
Yeah think you nailed it right on the head there, just can't beat a bit of bravery and danger I reckon
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Yeah man,I kick off real easy-its a medical/mental problem thats been with me for years.I attend psychiatric clinic for it and anger management course weekly,so if I get loud again all yus gotta do is holler me.Hard being a mild psychotic AND mild schitzophrenic,jus thought you good folk should know-forewarned is forearmed.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Yeah man,I kick off real easy-its a medical/mental problem thats been with me for years.I attend psychiatric clinic for it and anger management course weekly,so if I get loud again all yus gotta do is holler me.Hard being a mild psychotic AND mild schitzophrenic,jus thought you good folk should know-forewarned is forearmed.
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Is that true??????

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rickyd @ Aug 18 2005, 11:37 AM)<div class='quotemain'>Is that true??????
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`Fraid so my friend,being a Satanist keeps me going,but thats for another place

Wow! I haven't known a satanist for years. Cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ive been a long time fan of F1 since the mid 80's where the likes of Mansall, Prost Senna, Rosberg & Co were racing the hweels off the things.

That was real racing back then..

Today its a pure gravy train and all about the money.


Drivers are way too overpaid and should be on a points = bonus system like our own David Coulthard is on and he hasnt done badly.

I like Jenson but he needs to knuckle down more if he wants to be a world champ one day...its all about the dedication.


Race wise it has become boring to a degree as mentioned earlier race wins are either from far superior cars ie Mclaren, Renault, or in the pits..

MotoGP wins hands down, it has its characters also, but overtaking is frequent the races are shorter, it is still very technical like F1 and a team sport.

Where will F1 be in 5 years when most tracks will not allow tobacco sponsership?

Who knows but the FIA & Bernie need to act fast.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (drill @ Aug 18 2005, 12:34 PM)<div class='quotemain'>Yeah man,I kick off real easy-its a medical/mental problem thats been with me for years.I attend psychiatric clinic for it and anger management course weekly,so if I get loud again all yus gotta do is holler me.Hard being a mild psychotic AND mild schitzophrenic,jus thought you good folk should know-forewarned is forearmed.
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Only just read that Drill..............you seem quite placid on ere! especially in the meet molly post