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MotoGP too expensive for us - Kawasaki

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MotoGP too expensive for us, says Kawasaki

The Japanese marque competed in the series full-time from 2003 to 2008 before pulling out in the wake of the financial crisis, running a single bike in 2009 under the 'Hayate Racing' banner for Marco Melandri prior to withdrawing completely.

Since then, Kawasaki's main focus has been the World Superbike championship, taking two of the last three riders' titles with current riders Tom Sykes (2013) and Jonathan Rea (2015).

Although Suzuki and Aprilia have both returned to the MotoGP fold this year, Kawasaki says it would not be able to commit enough resources to make a renewed works effort of its own competitive.

"The necessary investment would not allow us [to compete]," Kawasaki World Superbike boss Ichiro Yoda told Riders Mag.

"In the end, you have to sell motorcycles, and other brands sell several million more than us. For them, MotoGP is an investment equivalent to one percent of their sales."

Yoda added that the restrictive nature of the current MotoGP technical regulations were also a major turn-off for Kawasaki.

"If we were to return, several things would have to change," he said. "At present, the rules are very restrictive. We could not compete with a production-derived motorcycle, for example.

"There are technological solutions that have been adopted by other manufacturers, such as seamless shift gearboxes, that we would never use on our road bikes. It's too expensive, it wouldn't be worth it.

"Of course, if Dorna should change its philosophy and make the rules genuinely open, allowing all manufacturers to experiment freely, maybe we could go back to MotoGP.

"But for now, we remain focussed on Superbikes."

Plenty of truth in what they say. Honda and Yamaha are most responsible for these costs.
 
"Of course, if Dorna should change its philosophy and make the rules genuinely open, allowing all manufacturers to experiment freely, maybe we could go back to MotoGP."

I guess I don't know the details of the rules.

MotoGP is supposed to be prototype racing, isn't it?
Maybe its not really and I just don't know about it.

Naively I suppose, I thought there are basic rules regarding engine size and chassis weight, fuel, etc. then you can do whatever you want.

For sure Honda somehow seems to always have the upper hand.

There is Superbike for production based machinery.
 
Well I think this has and remains the eternal struggle with motorsports at large in this time period. There's a need to try and increase the excitement by way of implementing heavy technical restrictions so as to artificially bunch up the field...or at least attempt to. You have little in the way of avenues open to explore because it's now considered bad for the show if a guy/team is winning by massive margins...sort of like the rules change of 2012 that hurt Honda.

The road relevancy thing that Kawasaki is mentioning, is something all of the manufacturers babble about. It's more for the benefit of their corporate boards who are only interested in whatever marketing ROI such endeavors give them. Racing is dressed up as a marketing exercise, and it's true to some degree obviously. But at large, it has no link to production bikes. The technology is too expensive...like in the case of the seamless gearboxes. Those things would be cool as .... to use in every day life, but the cost would be astronomical. I've always had the belief racing machines should be using full manual gearboxes with a clutch because contrary to what many think, shifting gears is in fact a skill....and it adds a new complexity to the entire thing. Paddle shifters, no-clutch gear changes...it's a joke.
 
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Would just as soon see them stay where they are as to see GP go to what Superbike used to be. Thats where they are slowly trying to take us and have been for the last 3 years. Turn Superbike into SS, and GP into Superbike. I didnt watch 1 Superbike race last year and i can only reason that it was because the machinery is non inspiring, the field likewise, and GP was so damn compelling. Maybe having Nicky there will prompt me to tune in more often, but im not really feeling it yet.
 
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I've always had the belief racing machines should be using full manual gearboxes with a clutch because contrary to what many think, shifting gears is in fact a skill....and it adds a new complexity to the entire thing. Paddle shifters, no-clutch gear changes...it's a joke.

Totally agree. They'd never do that, of course, but it would make the racing quite interesting.
 
Correct me if wrong, but isn't a lot of technology costs a lot initially but becomes cheaper over time. And isn't crotchless shift what came in GP bikes first is now on premium superbikes. Isn't increase in horse power in orad going bikes a derivative of increasing hp in prototype machinery.
Kawasaki with their Showa BFF front shock is a replica of Ohlins. I am sure there are lot many examples like these.
Regarding less restrictions we will have a Ferrari-Shcumi boring episode playing out in MGP. This is like a double edged sword and I guess middle path is difficult to discover. Top teams will always attracted talent. I wonder if Kawis had been as successful as Honda/Yamaha by some jugglery, they would have still commented this. What do you guys think?
 
Nope, if Kawasaki had 30-40 Moto Gp titles, they would be there with bells on. I tell you what, the more time goes on, the more I appreciate Yamaha for their grit and determination. They could have easily been just as flippant about Gp as some of the other factories, but they hung in there to be the only one with the balls to compete against Honda. This "we can't afford to go Gp racing "is nonsense, KHI can afford to do whatever their heart desires. This is about their lack of commitment to the sport and wanting regs changed so they can catch up overnight. Right now, they have the best production 1000 on the market, it's no wonder they would like to change GP regs towards a production based set of regs. . I have owned numerous Kawi's and own one now,they make a wonderful product, but when it comes to GPracing, they just don't give a ..... Street cred is more important to them than anything.
 
Totally agree. They'd never do that, of course, but it would make the racing quite interesting.

What I don't get is that if you want to improve the show, why wouldn't you put MORE emphasis on the rider controlling things on the bike?

Developing bikes that are essentially unrideable without electronics seems kind of ....... stupid to me. I'd rather see the "electronics" control be the riders hand. A 240HP bike with minimal electronics or no electronics would be insanely better to watch than the same bike with every aspect of the engine managed to high heaven.
 
Dorna have been "trying" to make GP "less expensive", "safer", and more "competitive" since 2006. In that time, cost has skyrocketed, crashing has multiplied exponentially, and the parity has become miniscule.
 
Dorna have been "trying" to make GP "less expensive", "safer", and more "competitive" since 2006. In that time, cost has skyrocketed, crashing has multiplied exponentially, and the parity has become miniscule.

Why do you think costs have skyrocketed in spite of the claimed effort of trying to drive costs down?

This isn't unique to just GP, a number of other series have seen the same things occur in spite of the so-called performance leveling measures that are supposed to drive costs down.
 
Kawasaki is the Engine & Motorcycle division of Kawasaki Heavy Industries, a huge industrial group that is active in aerospace, shipbuilding, railways and whatnot.

The group would have more than enough money and technology to take the fight to Honda and Yamaha, but for their management motorcycle manufacturing and racing has always been little more than a hobby. It is more a lack of will than a real lack of resources.
 
I wonder what 'insider's' would say about KHI's reason for not competing in GP. Or was his specialty know about Honda? Ducati Corse are a spec of dust compared to KHI. Yet have the most bikes. God knows why. GP writes rules to their detriment, and only were relevant this year because GiGi found a loophole in the rules prompting Dorna to make 11th hour manipulation (again ) to the rulebook.

Kawasaki should have said GP is ........, that's why we don't compete. Thing is Dorna control Wsbk, where they rule the roost, perhaps not wanting to disturb the apple cart.
 
Why do you think costs have skyrocketed in spite of the claimed effort of trying to drive costs down?

This isn't unique to just GP, a number of other series have seen the same things occur in spite of the so-called performance leveling measures that are supposed to drive costs down.

Partly because in GP (can't speak to other series) Honda have been allowed horsetrading to legislate rules to eliminate competitor via pocketbook. That is, the rules have become so restricted in favor of Honda that it makes competing extremely expensive, the only ones who have been able to keep up is Yamaha.
 
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What I don't get is that if you want to improve the show, why wouldn't you put MORE emphasis on the rider controlling things on the bike?

Developing bikes that are essentially unrideable without electronics seems kind of ....... stupid to me. I'd rather see the "electronics" control be the riders hand. A 240HP bike with minimal electronics or no electronics would be insanely better to watch than the same bike with every aspect of the engine managed to high heaven.

Its the world we live in brother. The Genie [electronics] is out of the bottle and is never going to be stuffed back in. They are a way of life and you either accept them for what they are, or you get left behind. The F22 Raptor is the most effective fighter aircraft ever made, and it doesnt want to stay in the air with just pilot input. Electronics make thousands of flight adjustment per second just to keep it stable.If you like prototype racing, advancement is what its all about.
 
as the saying goes: better to rule in hell, then serve in heaven...

MotoGP is the future of motorcycle racing, electronics are here to stay, Kawasaki would be so far behind the other 6 manufactures if they decided to join this circus, but it is what it is.
 
Its the world we live in brother. The Genie [electronics] is out of the bottle and is never going to be stuffed back in. They are a way of life and you either accept them for what they are, or you get left behind. The F22 Raptor is the most effective fighter aircraft ever made, and it doesnt want to stay in the air with just pilot input. Electronics make thousands of flight adjustment per second just to keep it stable.If you like prototype racing, advancement is what its all about.

I have to disagree, what a lot of people are forgetting is that this is entertainment more than anything now. If you view it purely from that standpoint, no reason to have all that silly .....
 
Partly because in GP (can't speak to other series) Honda have been allowed horsetrading to legislate rules to eliminate competitor via pocketbook. That is, the rules have become so restricted in favor of Honda that it makes competing extremely expensive, the only ones who have been able to keep up is Yamaha.

Restricted in favour of Honda?
How exactly??
If anything the rules were skewed for the cheating Ducati.
Remember?
 
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I have to disagree, what a lot of people are forgetting is that this is entertainment more than anything now. If you view it purely from that standpoint, no reason to have all that silly .....
I disagree with that, GP is first and foremost a high technology competition, if you are entertained with that, so much the better.as has been said on numerous occasions, there are plenty of low tech racing series to follow if that's what you are looking for, why turn the one prototype series into another one.
 
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