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MotoGP politics

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I read last week an article Dennis Noyes in Motociclismo which explained a bit how this 'motocracy' works.

Apparently there's 4 gorups, each with a vote: DORNA, IRTA, MSMA, FIM
Just to remind who is who, DORNA are the owners of the MotoGP show, IRTA is the teams association (I think), MSMA is the manufacturers association and FIM is the International bike racing association (rulemakers of bike racing in general but with limited power in Motogp).

Within MSMA there are 7 manufacturers (Honda, Yamaha, Ducati, Kawasaki, Suzuki, Piaggio, KTM). The vote of the MSMA is decided by a majority of inner votes (4 or more). But they also have the power to veto any proposal if all 7 vote against, they also have the power to impose a proposal if all vote in favour.

DORNA's vote is decided by the shareholders of the company (Ezpeleta, Ecclestone etc ...). But DORNA's power is that in case of a 2-2 draw in voting their vote wins.

FIM's vote is decided by the FIM members and it's president (Venezuelan Vitto Ipolito)

IRTA's vote is decided by an internal voting (I think).

Therefore with regards to the single-supplier tyre manufacturers the writer think it will go forward because apparently, DORNA wants it (cause they made the proposal) and IRTA wants it too (apparently) . We presume FIM is against it because last time I read Mr. Ipolito's opinion he said he was against single tyre supplier. MSMA's VOTE we don't know, obviously Ducati, Suzuki and Kawasaki will vote against, but since they don't have the unanimous support because Honda and Yamaha are in favour they cannot veto the proposal. So it doesn't matter.
DORNA + IRTA can impose the proposal.

AFAIK the tyre manufacturers have no say in it, and it seems they can't even present a joint front (Michelin, BStone and Dunlop bosses met at Japan but didn't reach an agreement).

Also the 250cc 2 stroke extinction (or backstabbing like I prefer to call it) will also go on because DORNA wants, and the majority of MSMA members want it too, only KTM and Piaggio (includes, Aprilia, Derbi, Gilera etc...) are against.
 
so it seems we may end up with a spec tire after all...
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can't say i'm thrilled about that.
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the 2 strokes are gonna go eventually anyhow we all know this. it's just a matter of when.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(frosty58 @ Oct 3 2007, 10:35 PM) [snapback]93735[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
so it seems we may end up with a spec tire after all...
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can't say i'm thrilled about that.
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the 2 strokes are gonna go eventually anyhow we all know this. it's just a matter of when.


It's sad for all us "old timers" who love the two-strokes. Also I'd have to say that a spec tyre in MotoGP would reduce the amount of development that goes into our roadbike tyres. This has to be the wrong way to go - more TC
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and less tyre development
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Duc999 @ Oct 3 2007, 09:11 PM) [snapback]93758[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Boo to the one tyre rule
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Check out Burgess's comments on MCN. He is right on with his assessment.
 
think logically for a second, if they keep the rules the way they are next year will probably be very similar and honda and yamaha will demand it even more and it will happen for the following year I think if it doesnt go thru this year it is just delaying the envitable


also is WSBK racing as bad as you guys seem to make it out to be looking from how against the change you are? They are having a last race battle for the title not pride like we are doing
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(krazy91 @ Oct 4 2007, 10:28 AM) [snapback]93761[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
think logically for a second, if they keep the rules the way they are next year will probably be very similar and honda and yamaha will demand it even more and it will happen for the following year I think if it doesnt go thru this year it is just delaying the envitable
also is WSBK racing as bad as you guys seem to make it out to be looking from how against the change you are? They are having a last race battle for the title not pride like we are doing


what makes you think it will stay the same? aren't the tire manufacturers always trying to improve their products? for all we know, dunlops may be the tire to have next year. point is, nobody is sitting around. everyone is finding every ounce of performance they can squeeze. and one way or another, it will trickle down to the mass market.

the point is, this is prototype racing. and as it is, everything should be prototype. heck, if manufacturers figure out how to genetically create super riders or create cyborgs (asimo anyone? hehe just kidding), i'm sure they would (ok just kidding).

besides, the engine rule was too big a change, let alone the new tire rules. i don't think another radical change will make things better. they should give it some time until the thing finds equilibrium.

instead of focusing at the tires, why don't they figure out a way to get more bikes in the grid? WSBK will be getting bmw, triumph, mv agusta on board, aprilia anytime soon... Motogp are loosing teams. Ilmor, roberts (i hope not), we already lost pons.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Teomolca @ Oct 3 2007, 02:31 PM) [snapback]93734[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
explained a bit how this 'motocracy' works.


Thanks for this explanation.

I was for a control tire, but I think I'm changing my mind because I feel we would punish Bridgestone for their hard work and reward Michelin for their subpar performance.

But I want the racing to improve, so I'm a bit on the fence now.
 
seriously who gives a crap about the tire rule..the 125s and 250s only run Dunlops...no-one ever complains about that.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(xx CURVE xx @ Oct 4 2007, 05:26 PM) [snapback]93835[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
seriously who gives a crap about the tire rule..the 125s and 250s only run Dunlops...no-one ever complains about that.


See my previous comment for why I give a crap

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(yamaka46 @ Oct 3 2007, 11:22 PM) [snapback]93744[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I'd have to say that a spec tyre in MotoGP would reduce the amount of development that goes into our roadbike tyres.


Especially as WSBK is already on spec tyres, what is the incentive for any tyre manufacturer to keep improving?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(yamaka46 @ Oct 4 2007, 03:17 PM) [snapback]93855[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
See my previous comment for why I give a crap
Especially as WSBK is already on spec tyres, what is the incentive for any tyre manufacturer to keep improving?


Capitalism
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JohnnyKnockdown @ Oct 5 2007, 01:49 AM) [snapback]93882[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Capitalism

Nope. Selling bike tyres is about capitalism. Capitalism isn't about making better tyres, just about selling more of them.
 

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