Mother F'ing OUCH!

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PEOPLE there is a MAN on the ground, not moving! who cares about his bike DO something.... they just stand there doing nothing. where did this happen, don't they have requirements for those BACO's to at least now some EHBO-stuff and take care of the guy instead of the bike?!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Marijke @ Jul 7 2008, 12:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>PEOPLE there is a MAN on the ground, not moving! who cares about his bike DO something.... they just stand there doing nothing. where did this happen, don't they have requirements for those BACO's to at least now some EHBO-stuff and take care of the guy instead of the bike?!

but bikes are expensive...


It was here in the states..AMA championship...that was the ONLY guy giving Bubba Stu a run this year, and now he's out till 09 i'm sure...I thought the same thing about the the officials response times....the flag guy did a piss poor job.

He "only" suffered two broken scapula, a broken rib, bruised lung, and a concussion.

Thats nasty, the other riders didn't have a hope of avoiding him, the marshalls might as well have been at another race

marshalling looked poor, that guy looked hurt. Hopefully he will recover fully.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (odessa @ Jul 7 2008, 08:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thats nasty, the other riders didn't have a hope of avoiding him, the marshalls might as well have been at another race


Christ that was nasty, i was convinced he was dead up untill the end of the video.

that must have hurt , those guys when they saw the crash they surely thought, "OMG we must save the BIKE "

Thats one of the biggest risks in motocycling, being hit by another bike that is.
What could the marshalls do ? Clearly it was early in the first lap, it happened so fast the riders who hit who where middle to rear of the pack wouldnt of seen him go down, let alone see him in the dip. Racing incident. You know the risks when you put on a helmet and go to the gates

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 7 2008, 08:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>marshalling looked poor, that guy looked hurt. Hopefully he will recover fully.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dion @ Jul 8 2008, 10:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thats one of the biggest risks in motocycling, being hit by another bike that is.
What could the marshalls do ? Clearly it was early in the first lap, it happened so fast the riders who hit who where middle to rear of the pack wouldnt of seen him go down, let alone see him in the dip. Racing incident. You know the risks when you put on a helmet and go to the gates

Dear god, you guys think that "the marshalling could have been a bit better" and "thems the risks".

Marshalls are not there to look cool, they are there to assess the dangers first hand, call the emergency services (not 911, the trackside stuff) and stop the race if need be. Appreciate that the marshalls couldn't do much until the field streamed through, but that had a lot more to do with the placement of the marshalls than anything else. In sand races (eg at Southport) in the UK there are marshalls posted at the top of each jump. It's a thankless task, but they stand there with the yellow warning flag in front of the location at the bottom of the jump where there is a rider down. This lets the oncoming riders know to go either side of the fallen rider.

Unfortunately the organisers and the marshalls at this particular event did not have the brain cells to set this up.

To then consider that moving the guys bike out of the way was far more important than tending to a rider who has been repeatedly ridden over - the mind boggles. Thank christ the rider was OK - I have to thank a mythical (imo) figure 'cos the guys on hand did .... all to ensure his or anyone else's safety.

Please tell me that this is not the norm in the US.

Ouch indeed, still marshalls can't attend the guy, you should not touch him if you don't have medical training, I think even worse than the lack of signaling on the top of the jump is the lack of first aid medics there.

Actually I don't think that was a bad response time, they let the whole pack go past, probably radio'd ahead to stop them coming round again, (if your riding in that sort of race you can't very far ahead so if someone is on the ground you probably will be hit) you can't just pick someone up after an accident like that, fortunately he came round before the medics got there.

My boss runs a series over here called ThumperCross it's not good when these things happen but often they're not as bad as they look.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Jul 11 2008, 12:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dear god, you guys think that "the marshalling could have been a bit better" and "thems the risks".

Marshalls are not there to look cool, they are there to assess the dangers first hand, call the emergency services (not 911, the trackside stuff) and stop the race if need be. Appreciate that the marshalls couldn't do much until the field streamed through, but that had a lot more to do with the placement of the marshalls than anything else. In sand races (eg at Southport) in the UK there are marshalls posted at the top of each jump. It's a thankless task, but they stand there with the yellow warning flag in front of the location at the bottom of the jump where there is a rider down. This lets the oncoming riders know to go either side of the fallen rider.

Unfortunately the organisers and the marshalls at this particular event did not have the brain cells to set this up.

To then consider that moving the guys bike out of the way was far more important than tending to a rider who has been repeatedly ridden over - the mind boggles. Thank christ the rider was OK - I have to thank a mythical (imo) figure 'cos the guys on hand did .... all to ensure his or anyone else's safety.

Please tell me that this is not the norm in the US.

Yamaka46 is you look at the top right hand side of the jump youll see a marshall waving his flag like a Mofo, so they did have a marshall in the correct place, riders choose to ignore this.
Racing incident.
They know the risks.
Trust me yamaka46, ive been riding offroad for many years know and I have seen many accidents, friends injured and friends lost.
I accepted once and for all that these are the risks when your involved in this sport.
It would be foolish not to realise this.

there does appear to be a lot of people just looking at the poor bugger instead of makin sure he's ok ?

on the other hand the marshall isn't there to get himself killed - he's there to try and stop other people getting killed I just fail to undertand why he decided to shift the bike instead of making sure the guy was alive

Well the thing is, at that point they couldn't have done anything for him, so they just did what they could: Removed the bike from the track and waited for medical staff to arrive. It would have been dangerous to try to move him or something.

Glad he survived.

I absolutely don't agree with everyone saying they did the right thing. the marshalls should have know some basic first aid skills to help him out, isn't that a requirement for at least a part of the marshalls to do this job?! it may not be the fault of the marshalls present at that point and they may have done their job right, but it sure is a fault made by the direction to not have marshalls at every point with knowledge of first aid.

I'm sorry for those people who don't agree that the marshalls didn't do enough, firstly you have to have been there yourself to make that determination. You can only assess these things first hand.

Secondly, does anyone remember Kato's accident? It was a practice session, hardly anyone else on the track, and the marshalls decided to move him, IMO they should have left him until the medics arrived to move him safely, when they picked him up and his head just fell back you knew that was it.


Did you know (in this country at least) marshalls are volunteers and without them we would have no racing, they go through a very basic first aid course and that's all!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bonnielass @ Jul 12 2008, 10:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm sorry for those people who don't agree that the marshalls didn't do enough, firstly you have to have been there yourself to make that determination. You can only assess these things first hand.

Secondly, does anyone remember Kato's accident? It was a practice session, hardly anyone else on the track, and the marshalls decided to move him, IMO they should have left him until the medics arrived to move him safely, when they picked him up and his head just fell back you knew that was it.


Did you know (in this country at least) marshalls are volunteers and without them we would have no racing, they go through a very basic first aid course and that's all!

Unless I missuderstand you you have a negation to much in your first pragraph and the meaning were suposed to be that the marshalls baiscally did all they could do?
If so you are perfectly right!
First of all they must take care of their own safety and there are no exceptions for that rule. Sure, people sometimes ignore it but then, like I've done myself, don't get or expect any recognition that.
Any idot moving a badly injured person can inflict a lot of damage and marshalls are seldom medically trained. The first track ever to have midically trained marshalls were Assen, and my guess is that most tracks only have the minimum FIM requirements, a team or two of medics. Pretty sure the requirement are only one team but as soon as they are occupied they can't race so most places they have two teams, at least on race day.

Moving the bike were just as well in case of a back marker or an ..... not noticing the red flag.

So guys and galls, team up to your home track/club they usually are in need for volunteers as marshalls. Get some training and get real close to the racing

watched the race. the track is red bud in michigan. the victim is mike alessi & like curve said is the closest competition stewart had. the tv feed, if you get the chance to watch it, shows the incident in much more bone crunching detail than this vid here. it was sickening to watch but really nothing could be done to stop what happened. when he crashed he ended up on the other side of a blind rise & it was the 1st lap so the whole pack was still together. the marshals sure the hell ain't gonna run out on track & stand infront of the guy withh the whole field barraling down on him! that would have been even more dissastorous! they red flagged the race so he could be properly attended to by medical professionals.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bonnielass @ Jul 12 2008, 04:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Secondly, does anyone remember Kato's accident? It was a practice session, hardly anyone else on the track, and the marshalls decided to move him, IMO they should have left him until the medics arrived to move him safely, when they picked him up and his head just fell back you knew that was it.
bonnie are you reffering to daijiro kato? if so his crash happened during the race, 5th lap i think, at suzuka. but agree they should have not moved him until proper medical people arrived. they should have red flaged the race... very stupid they didn't.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Jul 25 2008, 11:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>watched the race. the track is red bud in michigan. the victim is mike alessi & like curve said is the closest competition stewart had. the tv feed, if you get the chance to watch it, shows the incident in much more bone crunching detail than this vid here. it was sickening to watch but really nothing could be done to stop what happened. when he crashed he ended up on the other side of a blind rise & it was the 1st lap so the whole pack was still together. the marshals sure the hell ain't gonna run out on track & stand infront of the guy withh the whole field barraling down on him! that would have been even more dissastorous! they red flagged the race so he could be properly attended to by medical professionals.
yea I saw that race as well, and the marshalls were instructed to not touch alessi until the emt's got there. In fact every race the are instructed to not touch a downed rider if he is unconscious, and or not moving.
everyone did what they were supposed to, the problem was as fros T said, he was on the dowsnside of step-up, and there was only one marshall on the right side. he couldnt actually see where the rider was lying so he was flagging (as he should) riders
to opposite of where he thought the downed rider was.
Problem was, there was no marshall on the downside of the jump to prevent the rider from being ran over. This is no ones fault, it's just one of those things. In hindsight
we can say that they should have had a marshall there, but you cant have a marshall at every inch of the track, and had the marshall moved to where he could see the alessi, then the others coming over the step-up wouldnt be able to see the marshall at all.
I'ts a funny angle on video, but everyone did their job, and cheers to the guy who rode up for not jumping off his bike to try to move alessi, even he knows not to touch him