Most improved bike after summer break?

I voted Yamaha,since they can't afford make another mistake after 2 years without a title. And after reading an interview with Furusawa,it seems they're going into the right direction.
Maybe their horsepower (most likely) can't match The Duke,but I think they will be able to close a gap a little bit.

Kawasaki, as they've got a lower bar to clear? It should be easier to make a bad bike less ...... than it is to make an already solid bike better. Possibly the Suzuki with major chassis changes as well.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#46 @ Aug 7 2008, 03:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I voted Yamaha,since they can't afford make another mistake after 2 years without a title. And after reading an interview with Furusawa,it seems they're going into the right direction.
Maybe their horsepower (most likely) can't match The Duke,but I think they will be able to close a gap a little bit.

I also think Yamaha.
a) because, as you say, they should have a step up in power.
More importantly, they have Rossi. This is the most critical componant of the package. He is now hungry after Laguna and the summer break will have re-focused him considerably.
I aslo think the Tech 3's should picking up the pace also, especially Edwards

Kawi i think

Maybe they'll get that screamer working right by then. Hopper said at the beginning of the season that their budget for this year was enormous compared to suzuki. That money must be going somewhere.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnnyKO @ Aug 7 2008, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Kawi i think

Maybe they'll get that screamer working right by then. Hopper said at the beginning of the season that their budget for this year was enormous compared to suzuki. That money must be going somewhere.
Right into Hopper's pocket.

Yamaha will be the most improved, they were down on power and with the supposed improvements to power they should gain a step on the Ducati.

I think Yamaha as well......... they have been making steady progress since the start of the season, and I think they've been holding back just a little, don't want to show your hand too soon,think about it, Rossi has kept the championship points in touch, if they'd pushed too hard already Ducati would have really been over working their mechanics during the break. I don't think they're gonna have a clue what hit them!, all the Yams have been getting up the front more, I think the second half of the season is going to be explosive!


I wish I was going to Valencia again!

Well all of you Valentino Kool-aid drinkers can pipe dream all you want. What do you think that cause the Ducati is good already they are going to use the vacation as a time to sit back and just chill? You wait and see that Ducati will improve upon a successful base and so they make whatever improvements were made by thier rivals pale in comparrison.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 7 2008, 08:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well all of you Valentino Kool-aid drinkers can pipe dream all you want. What do you think that cause the Ducati is good already they are going to use the vacation as a time to sit back and just chill? You wait and see that Ducati will improve upon a successful base and so they make whatever improvements were made by thier rivals pale in comparrison.

No, but if you don't know where the finish line is it is difficult to win the race, it is human nature to only push as hard as you need, the greater the target the harder you'll push to achieve it, what I am saying is by holding back a little before the break, could make a whole world of difference after it.
But that's just my opinion. Time will tell.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 7 2008, 08:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well all of you Valentino Kool-aid drinkers can pipe dream all you want. What do you think that cause the Ducati is good already they are going to use the vacation as a time to sit back and just chill? You wait and see that Ducati will improve upon a successful base and so they make whatever improvements were made by thier rivals pale in comparrison.
What makes you think (you may be right but it is currently unknown) that Ducati will improve more than their rivals?

Methinks you are either a Ducati or a Stoner Kool-aid drinker.

Kettle, Pot, Black.

I don't drink Kool-Aid anymore, regardless of flavor.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Aug 7 2008, 09:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't drink Kool-Aid anymore, regardless of flavor.
Not even if it comes in "Nicky Hayden" flavo<u>u</u>r?

I agree with you - many of us support a rider, but to pretend that any failings of that rider to achieve are due to unfair advantages of the others out there is pretty childish.

i think honda. there not living up to there big H name and really need to pull there finger out.

I think Kawasaki. Honda's development will mainly consist of Pedrosa trying the new engine to see how he gets on. Not sure the yamaha has much new. I think the ducati as made its big changes already this year for the GP8 bike. Not sure about suzuki but I dont think any steps they will make will be big enough. There have been a lot of rumours about the kawasaki, they made a change to the electronics and power delivery just before the break but hopkins crashed out so we didnt get to see it but I think they will introduce some other new things too.

The gps driven electronics package on the ducati is pretty cool!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DomUK @ Aug 7 2008, 11:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think Kawasaki. Honda's development will mainly consist of Pedrosa trying the new engine to see how he gets on. Not sure the yamaha has much new. I think the ducati as made its big changes already this year for the GP8 bike. Not sure about suzuki but I dont think any steps they will make will be big enough. There have been a lot of rumours about the kawasaki, they made a change to the electronics and power delivery just before the break but hopkins crashed out so we didnt get to see it but I think they will introduce some other new things too.

The gps driven electronics package on the ducati is pretty cool!
Assuming that you are referring to the GP bike, I think you'll find they all have one and I doubt that any of them are based on GPS. Try post #39 for more clues.

The rest of your post appears to be long on words and short on facts. For example, what makes you think (you may yet be right) that the Yamaha development has nothing more to offer?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Aug 7 2008, 11:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Assuming that you are referring to the GP bike, I think you'll find they all have one and I doubt that any of them are based on GPS. Try post #39 for more clues.

The rest of your post appears to be long on words and short on facts. For example, what makes you think (you may yet be right) that the Yamaha development has nothing more to offer?

They all have an electronics package you mean? I know that. I heard a rider discussing the ducati system on eurosport at the laguna seca race talking about the gps set up it had and therefore knowing where casey was and which corner and therefore how much TC to apply etc but I can't remember who it was now. I'll try and double check as I think I still have it saved.

Well given that neither of us (I assume in your case) work for Yamaha we can only base it on what we've heard and guess the rest; I have heard interviews with Colin and Toseland talking about the changes so far and when asked about future changes saying a couple of things but then nothing really in the pipeline. But who knows, they may have come up with an idea over the break and designed/manufactured/tested/approved it but we wont know until after or had something planned but not mentioned it...
Unless we knew the exact development plans first hand of every bike we could never talk in 100% fact could we...

Honda probarbly and Yamaha ,after not winning the world title last year i'm sure they are both willing to put in whatever effort to get it.
Rossi has ordered more engine and (better)new electronics.
Concerning the evil empire ,Pedrobot himself is now going to use the new engine,so it better be in order.I think they both are going to get a more finished product than the one Hayden has been a test pilot on.And they have Nakano to speed up the developement.
Ducati i have no idear about.Probarbly a few chassi parts and mappings,maybe to help when braking.But nothing major i would guess.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Anders GUZZI @ Aug 7 2008, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Concerning the evil empire ,Pedrobot himself is now going to use the new engine,so it better be in order.


Lol i've never really considered it that way, but I think honda could be considered the Yankees of MotoGP racing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 7 2008, 10:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think honda. there not living up to there big H name and really need to pull there finger out.


im going with rog and honda they are half a season behind in the engine department, if they dont pull it out of the bag then pedro wont have a chance to get better than 3rd....


yamaha already has a good frame/chassis the bike is very well balanced just lacks some power output... as i have been saying all season it still lacks out of corner acceleration and needs better acceleration within the launch control system, they will be in trouble if they let it slip and ducati improve again....you seen what happend last race... at a track with longer straights rossi containing stoner wouldnt have been possible.


the ducati is a beast has plenty of power... (like i said again) just lacked a good base setup to work from the bike was a little unstable until they got some new software, i do believe that if they couldnt have got the gp8 sorted a few races ago then we possibly could have seen them using the gp9 frame/chassis especially after stoner felt so at home onit but its unlikely now because he is doing well ......but you never know...
i think somemore electronics tweakage and improve the brakes.


kawasaki need to improve ALOT but they dont have as much at stake as honda so thats why im saying honda need to improve the most......kwak just need a decent development rider i think edwards would have been perfect but to late for that now.


suzuki seem to be doing alot better in development than kawasaki but still have a long way to go.

this isnt a crack at a rider or manaufacturer so if you wanna reply to my post with a load of dribble dont bother cos i wont be responding to it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Aug 7 2008, 08:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What makes you think (you may be right but it is currently unknown) that Ducati will improve more than their rivals?

Methinks you are either a Ducati or a Stoner Kool-aid drinker.

Kettle, Pot, Black.
Yeah I drink the BLOOD RED Ducati Kool-aid. And why is it they can't be the ones to improve? You can always improve, even Ducati.