Mladin Blasts DMG for 2009 rules!

One thing you can't deny Mladin. He isn't backwards in coming forwards about issues to do with racing in the USA. Good on him - it looks like the AMA is going to the ......... in a hurry.

This is a very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very vvvvveeeeeeerrrrrryy rare occasion that I like Mladin.

I hope this works, except if it dose NASA will have to start making his helmets.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ May 18 2008, 07:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is a link to the whole interview. He is spot on in his assessment. AMA racing will be fcked as long as DMG has their heads up their ......

Link: http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/May/080517n.htm

So is he threatening to leave the series, or just trying to say I can't win without the rules are they are today? Just kidding...

AMA needs changes top to bottom....including getting rid of some riders, so maybe these change will do it and in 2009 the rules will be re-adjusted to make the series better in 2010....

Besides I thought Mladin was going to go back to Australia to run their superbike series....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ May 18 2008, 06:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Besides I thought Mladin was going to go back to Australia to run their superbike series....


Rumours over here are that he will be involved with the series in terms of promotion etc (ie. fronting the $), not racing but if the DMG stuff goes ahead who knows.






Garry

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ May 17 2008, 09:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It seems to me that most of what he is saying is true. They are going to get it wrong, I will not watch, most fans will not watch, and knowing my luck SPEED will stop covering Motogp and World superbike/Supersport, and I will spiral into a depression and start smoking crack. This sucks.
if this happens i'll join you brother.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ May 18 2008, 08:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The problem with their proposal from my point of view is the emphasis being placed on the supersport series as the premier class in the AMA. The premier series should be the most powerful bikes ridden by the best racers. Their proposal would pave the way for Buell, BMW, and other traditionally uncompetitive manufacturers. In my opinion they should br forced to step up their game in order to win, not have the rules hamstrung so they can field a "competitive" bike equipped with spec tires and severely low horsepower limitations.
...... france & edmonson. they want to create nasbike!

It seems to me that most of what he is saying is true. They are going to get it wrong, I will not watch, most fans will not watch, and knowing my luck SPEED will stop covering Motogp and World superbike/Supersport, and I will spiral into a depression and start smoking crack. This sucks.
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Cheer up ,you could always become Nicky's personal mentor when he comes back to the States. Maybe you could remind him how to back it in based on your extensive trackday experience you were telling us about!

These rule changes seem to be going down very badly with the riders. The question is, what will they do if the changes go ahead? If they are all gonna head over to the World and British championships that wouldn't be so bad for a euro like me.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ May 18 2008, 07:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The problem with their proposal from my point of view is the emphasis being placed on the supersport series as the premier class in the AMA. The premier series should be the most powerful bikes ridden by the best racers. Their proposal would pave the way for Buell, BMW, and other traditionally uncompetitive manufacturers. In my opinion they should br forced to step up their game in order to win, not have the rules hamstrung so they can field a "competitive" bike equipped with spec tires and severely low horsepower limitations.

Supersport is not going to be emphasized at all.It is going the way of the Do Do bird,OUT.Its Formula Extreme that will turn into to [ Daytona Superbike}.Supersport and Superstock gone.Superstock was history before DMG so i wont blame that one on them.The master plan is to make Superbike as weak as possible so the Buell 1125 can run and HOPEFULLY contend.Look for Harley to also build a 11-1200cc bike to race against the 600's. and when it becomes as obvious as a wart on the head of your .... that they still cant compete,look for more rules changes until they can.They want the Bike Week crowd and appear ready to sale their soul to get it if it means having a Heritage Soft Tail class for those posers to race in.The U.S superbike scene is going to be a ....... joke.On top of all that great news,we get a 3 hour Endurance race from those daring young men in their flying MOTO ST machines.
130 HP max BMW missles.Thats what those ....... idiots expect me to pay to see.Aint happening.I have allready canceled my Road Atlanta,Mid Ohio and VIR hotel reservations.Im not even waiting till next year to start my boycott.Supersport is the best form of bike racing on the planet and these dimwits are axing it.Its the only series where close racing is almost guaranteed.I hope uopn hope that the Factories go out on their own and start a new series

Why does Edmondson think the NASCAR approach will work in this sport? It apparently hasn't in sports car racing, so why are they going to try it again here? The fans here are racing fans, not NASCAR fans. NASCAR fans are not necessarily fans of racing, which is not meant as an insult. They want entertainment, they want action, crashes, fights, green-white-checker finishes. They don't enjoy racing itself.

Cheapened, manufactured, fake racing for the sake of entertainment generally does not sit well with real racing fans.

Would football fans like it if the organizers started spotting points in order to produce an "exciting" finish?

I think Mladin is upset because it won't suit him.

Nothing about going to 600s has been finalized. Yes they have spoken about their intentions, but there is still a lot to be worked out, if anything already has. Sure they want to include the ST in some how, but one thing they did say, and has given me encouragement about this whole thing is that they are looking at World Superbike as a model. Which makes sense. They have clse racing (like Nascar), they have way more sponsors, and they attract international riders (which is one of their stated goals. So lets not go all crazy and elect Mladin for union spokesman. Mladin loves the status quo, why wouldn't he, he's been king of a tightly held power position and never got out of his comfort zone to challenge himself.

Now all of you predicting gloom and doom, ask yourself this question, if AMA became similar to WSBK (think of competition, close racing, bike livery with sponsors, international riders, etc) would you not hail it as an improvement of what is now...a Suzuki cup?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ May 18 2008, 06:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>...... france & edmonson. they want to create nasbike!

NASBIKE has already been created by Dorna in the new 600+ class.

The only thing that aggravates me about the AMA move is that it is too safe. The obvious idea from the start was to make the AMA a national feeder series to GP, you could tell by the fact they chose to run 600s as the premier class. I can understand their logic: if this series is a feeder series will anyone care who stays behind to run the bigger bikes?

But imo DMG need a hedging strategy in case DORNA screw things up royally like the almost did with the last two formula changes.

There is no reason they can't have some ridiculous sensationalist series that premiers the world's toughest riders on the most outrageous bikes. They have a similar idea in Europe but they are crazy enough to race on tight bumpy public roads.

Anyway, DMG should make some preposterous formula like 750cc 2 strokes. Contract engine and transmission construction to one manufacturer. Impose a salary cap, put the riders in those new airbag leathers, and let 'em go racing for cash. No development crap, no politics, just pure spectacle.

I want to watch people racing bikes that I don't ever want to ride. That was the appeal of 500cc GP.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ May 21 2008, 06:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think Mladin is upset because it won't suit him.

Nothing about going to 600s has been finalized. Yes they have spoken about their intentions, but there is still a lot to be worked out, if anything already has. Sure they want to include the ST in some how, but one thing they did say, and has given me encouragement about this whole thing is that they are looking at World Superbike as a model. Which makes sense. They have clse racing (like Nascar), they have way more sponsors, and they attract international riders (which is one of their stated goals. So lets not go all crazy and elect Mladin for union spokesman. Mladin loves the status quo, why wouldn't he, he's been king of a tightly held power position and never got out of his comfort zone to challenge himself.

Now all of you predicting gloom and doom, ask yourself this question, if AMA became similar to WSBK (think of competition, close racing, bike livery with sponsors, international riders, etc) would you not hail it as an improvement of what is now...a Suzuki cup?

Its as simple as this,I WILL NOT take the 3-4 grand a year that i spend going to AMA Superbike races and spend it on a 600 cc Superbike class.I allready get a 600cc Superbike class for the ticket price,its Formula Extreme,and that is on top of Supersport,Superstock,Superbike.If their proposal is what they say it is,3 of those 4 classes will cease to exist and be replaced with a 3 hour endurance race featuring 130 hp max twin cylinder bikes. .... THAT.The one that pisses me off the most is getting rid of Supersport.It is without a doubt the best race at every venue.If they follow WSB rules and keep fire breathing 1000's and hopped up 600's,i will be fine with that but that so far that has not been what they have been hinting at.They are going to a spec tire which will have to be Dunlop since they came in and contracted most of the top teams thru 2010 at the beginning of this year.You dont think they had some inside info do you.Edmonson hinted the other day that Yoshimura Suzuki had been getting special tires over all the other Factory teams.I think he is full of .... but would like to know for sure.I dont think the other teams would have stood for it.

I keep hearing about how a 600 class would be a feeder class for GP.
I don't particularly think that is the case.
I watch the supersport class now and the top 5 guys are backing it into most corners.
What do those bikes have 100HP or so? The class they are proposing would be more modified so they would probabaly have 110 HP or so which I believe is way more than the 250 bikes.
On top of that what successfull 600cc racer is even in MotoGP right now. (Please don't mention Ant West )
I agree with a lot of what Mlasshole has to say but he is completely delusional about the state of superbike racing as is. He seems to actually believe that there is good racing going on.
Every week in the post race interview he comments on how good the race was.
In this tirade he is quoting statistics to prove that the racing isn't and hasn't been bad for the last few years

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JohnnyKnockdown @ May 22 2008, 04:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I keep hearing about how a 600 class would be a feeder class for GP.
I don't particularly think that is the case.
I watch the supersport class now and the top 5 guys are backing it into most corners.
What do those bikes have 100HP or so? The class they are proposing would be more modified so they would probabaly have 110 HP or so which I believe is way more than the 250 bikes.
On top of that what successfull 600cc racer is even in MotoGP right now. (Please don't mention Ant West )
I agree with a lot of what Mlasshole has to say but he is completely delusional about the state of superbike racing as is. He seems to actually believe that there is good racing going on.
Every week in the post race interview he comments on how good the race was.
In this tirade he is quoting statistics to prove that the racing isn't and hasn't been bad for the last few years

I was uinder the impression Supersport bikes had 120 - 130 bhp nowdays (compared to something in the region of 100 from 250cc bikes). I thinkk a 600cc prototype will be closer to a superbike than a supersport bike in power output, so im not convinced these changes in the AMA are relatedt o gp.

Also Chris Vermuellen is a world supersport champion

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JohnnyKnockdown @ May 22 2008, 04:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I watch the supersport class now and the top 5 guys are backing it into most corners.
What do those bikes have 100HP or so? The class they are proposing would be more modified so they would probabaly have 110 HP or so which I believe is way more than the 250 bikes.


Having worked at a number of Australian Championship rounds where a Dyno has been used as part of the scrutineering role I can categorically state that the 600 Supersports bikes pump out in excess of 120 HP when measured at the rear wheel.

The lowest tested was in excess of 120 and the highest in excess of 130 across a sampling of 15 bikes at one weekend.

So I would expect that in World Championship terms the figures would be nearer 145 or so.





Garry