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Michelin warns MotoGP: “There is no miracle solution”

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Michelin warns MotoGP: ?There is no miracle solution?

Michelin motorsport director Pascal Couasnon says there is no “miracle solution” to the problems that MotoGP riders have encountered with its new-for-2016 tyres during testing.

The French manufacturer takes over from Bridgestone as the championship’s sole tyre supplier next season, but riders reported a lack of front-end grip with the new Michelin rubber during a crash-strewn post-season test session at Valencia last month.

This has partly been attributed to the Michelin’s strong rear grip, and while Couasnon admits there’s a temptation to modify the firm’s ‘signature’, he warns there is no one solution that will leave everyone satisfied.

“We’re looking into [reducing rear grip], of course,” he told Motorsport.com. “But the riders, the teams and the promoters tell us: ‘Be careful, stay as you are.’

“Our tyres have certain characteristics, and some riders are really happy with this. I would say that there is no miracle solution, no single solution.

“We offer a tyre that is slightly different from the other [manufacturers] and we must talk with the members of the MotoGP family to understand how far we can develop these characteristics."
More time needed

He added: “Let’s give the riders a little bit of time to understand how our tyres behave. They have to keep increasing their confidence.

“On our end, we will continue to work on providing the riders with a little bit more feeling with this front tyre when riding near the limit.”

Asked about rider feedback of having no ‘warning’ before the front tyre washed out, Couasnon replied: “This is something we are working on.

“Even if we still have these comments, some riders also say that the latest version of the tyre is significantly better compared to the first test sessions.”

Adapting to the Michelin tyres is not the only challenge faced in 2016 by teams and riders, who have also been busy getting used to Magneti Marelli’s new spec electronic software.

But Couasnon reveals Michelin has not been working with the Italian firm in order to make life easier for the riders, saying: “That’s the job of the teams.

“When there are choices to be made - for example, solving a problem by changing 80 percent of the electronics and 20 percent of the tyres, or the reverse - we leave that to the teams, and we trust them.”
A "modest and humble approach"

Couasnon added that Michelin was content with the pace showed during the Valencia test, where riders were generally faster than they had been just days prior during the last race of the year.

But, despite this, he says that the performance of the tyre is likely to vary significantly from track to track - making it important Michelin remains "humble" during its return campaign.

“Five riders ran below the 1m31s mark during the race [held two days before on Bridgestone tyres], while 15 riders broke that mark during the tests [on Michelins],” Couasnon explained.

“However, there were a lot of falls, and we’ll need to stage three or four test sessions with the riders 100 percent focussed on our tyres to give them a bit of time to adjust their riding style.

“Each time you change tyre manufacturer, you cannot expect all the problems to be solved immediately. This first season will be filled with challenges; we must not delude ourselves.

“We're going for it with a very modest and humble approach.”
 
It's still early, but the one thing that stands out to me is this bit..

“Five riders ran below the 1m31s mark during the race [held two days before on Bridgestone tyres], while 15 riders broke that mark during the tests [on Michelins],” Couasnon explained.

If they manage to create that sort of equity for the 2016 season, that may make for a really interesting MotoGP season.

But I also am expecting to see a lot of race crashes early on in the year.

This is the biggest X factor regarding how MM's season may go.
 
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When Ben Spies first showed up in MotoGP, he had an interview once after a practice session where he was consistently at the bottom of the timesheets. He was asked if it was because of the tires, the frame, the geometry of the bike, the track conditions, etc. He basically said, "Well, no, it's mostly me. Maybe we can change around those things eventually, but right now I should be able to drop the time by a second or two just by adjusting my riding style to the MotoGP bike which are different from the R1 I'm used to." It was many years ago so I'm sure I didn't quote him too directly, but that was the main point of it.

If I'm honest, I feel like all this talk about the tires is sort of ridiculous. As long as they're all out there on the same tires, they should be able to get used to them and adjust their bikes and themselves to ride the tires the way they should be ridden. Maybe this comes from my ignorance, but how much of a difference could switching from Bridgestone to Michelin possibly make?
 
When Ben Spies first showed up in MotoGP, he had an interview once after a practice session where he was consistently at the bottom of the timesheets. He was asked if it was because of the tires, the frame, the geometry of the bike, the track conditions, etc. He basically said, "Well, no, it's mostly me. Maybe we can change around those things eventually, but right now I should be able to drop the time by a second or two just by adjusting my riding style to the MotoGP bike which are different from the R1 I'm used to." It was many years ago so I'm sure I didn't quote him too directly, but that was the main point of it.

If I'm honest, I feel like all this talk about the tires is sort of ridiculous. As long as they're all out there on the same tires, they should be able to get used to them and adjust their bikes and themselves to ride the tires the way they should be ridden. Maybe this comes from my ignorance, but how much of a difference could switching from Bridgestone to Michelin possibly make?

Tires can make or break a rider's entire season depending on what the characteristics of them are.

2008 should have been a repeat title for Stoner, but because the Bridgestones had to be given to VR, they suddenly took on a new characteristic that Ducati caused crashing.

The all time best example is when Toni Elias got Dani's unused Saturday Night Specials at Estoril 2006 and won the race giving us the last satellite bike victory in MotoGP.

Championships in motor racing have been lost by tire alterations in midseason, where a team found themselves at a significant disadvantage where there was an advantage because the vehicle was designed around the tire behaving a certain way.
 
When Ben Spies first showed up in MotoGP, he had an interview once after a practice session where he was consistently at the bottom of the timesheets. He was asked if it was because of the tires, the frame, the geometry of the bike, the track conditions, etc. He basically said, "Well, no, it's mostly me. Maybe we can change around those things eventually, but right now I should be able to drop the time by a second or two just by adjusting my riding style to the MotoGP bike which are different from the R1 I'm used to." It was many years ago so I'm sure I didn't quote him too directly, but that was the main point of it.

If I'm honest, I feel like all this talk about the tires is sort of ridiculous. As long as they're all out there on the same tires, they should be able to get used to them and adjust their bikes and themselves to ride the tires the way they should be ridden. Maybe this comes from my ignorance, but how much of a difference could switching from Bridgestone to Michelin possibly make?

B-Stones became the control tire in 2009 and even before that everyone who used them was pretty stoked about the quality. They only started making control tires for MotoGp in 2002, and yet in a relatively short period, they outstripped Michelin who'd been around forever; their reputation for success depending largely on the SNSs.

Given all the new variables thrown in the mix for 2016 I'd say getting the tires up to snuff is a big ask.

Everyone's been riding on the Bridgestones for 7 years now and that's a long habit to break. If there are riders in the pack who have a heretofore unsuspected talent for adapting to new parameters, we could see some great dark horse performances.

My take on the puff piece from Michelin, is that they are not confident and are in essence apologizing in advance for what they know is around the corner.
 
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Hi guys interesting news about the tyres.

Im going to be straightforward about this im not nearly as educated motogp as many of you so . A lot of the things i say will mostly be influenced by my opinion. Im here te learn and talk about motogp.

Thats said , i think its good news for them to have change manufacturers now and then since it "stirs things up" a bit.

Any guess who would have a lot of problems with the new tyres and who wont.?
I imagine the longer youve been racing with them the bigger the disadvantage now because of the change?
 
Tires can make or break a rider's entire season depending on what the characteristics of them are.

2008 should have been a repeat title for Stoner, but because the Bridgestones had to be given to VR, they suddenly took on a new characteristic that Ducati caused crashing.

The all time best example is when Toni Elias got Dani's unused Saturday Night Specials at Estoril 2006 and won the race giving us the last satellite bike victory in MotoGP.

Championships in motor racing have been lost by tire alterations in midseason, where a team found themselves at a significant disadvantage where there was an advantage because the vehicle was designed around the tire behaving a certain way.
I am not sure about the chronology of any tyre changes; obviously there was a control tyre in 2009, but a change in the tyre preceding this in 2008 was originally a Lexian conspiracy theory, but now seems to be accepted as factual which I have never seen officially confirmed. Stoner did always say the 2009 bike was fine though, and that it was his health that was the problem.

Stoner had early season problems including at Estoril where the bike wouldn't turn at all culminating in an engine related DNF after which they reverted to the 2007 engine. With that change and an update to the electronics Stoner got real momentum going winning several races going up to the LS 08 race. He then crashed out of the lead in the 2 races following LS08 which he said were front end loses of no obvious cause, concerning which many were sceptical at the time, but which proved to presage many more such problems for multiple riders.
 
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I can see how changing tires mid-season can upset the balance of a bike. I can see how having different tire manufacturers competing in the same event can give advantages to some. But here we have every rider having to switch to Michelin and they'll all be on the same rubber (allegedly). They also have time to get ready. They're already testing on them now, right? They have the whole off season to run tests in their own factories. And everybody is in the same boat. I just can't see how this particular situation is going to make a huge difference to who's at the front and who's at the back next season. We'll still see the same guys battling for the podium as we did this year, I think.

I have a hard time believing that, with all the software and traction control and all that these bikes have installed in them that they can't make a few tweaks to compensate for the rubber change.
 
The Michelin evolved in the 500cc days, and still have that DNA. They are mainly designed for favoring the acceleration phase out of corners and accordingly their rear tire has excellent progressive grip -- but with Michelin it will be more difficult to enter corners at the maximum possible speed as top riders do now with the Bstones, because their front is not as solid. It's a different balance between front and rear, or a different philosophy, one could say.
 
The Michelin evolved in the 500cc days, and still have that DNA. They are mainly designed for favoring the acceleration phase out of corners and accordingly their rear tire has excellent progressive grip -- but with Michelin it will be more difficult to enter corners at the maximum possible speed as top riders do now with the Bstones, because their front is not as solid. It's a different balance between front and rear, or a different philosophy, one could say.
Should suit Valentino, and probably Dani who was no slouch on the Michelins in his rookie year, 2006. Lorenzo on the other hand crashed quite a lot on the Michelins in his rookie year, and if MM's style at all resembles Stoner's he might not like the Michelin front tyre either.

I haven't followed the Michelin tyre tests very closely, but I gather times have been less spread out and even the leading riders have been crashing.
 
Should suit Valentino, and probably Dani who was no slouch on the Michelins in his rookie year, 2006. Lorenzo on the other hand crashed quite a lot on the Michelins in his rookie year, and if MM's style at all resembles Stoner's he might not like the Michelin front tyre either.

I haven't followed the Michelin tyre tests very closely, but I gather times have been less spread out and even the leading riders have been crashing.

All top riders crashed in the first Michelin tests -- this shows they are all very used to the Bridgestone front now, and take advantage of its qualities. This is something they all copied from Stoner, imo, the first rider to exploit Bridgestone and who showed the way to others.

On the other hand, in the latest Michelin tests at Jerez just before Christmas (with test riders only from Aprilia, Honda and Ducati) nobody crashed and Pirro said that there has been a marked improvement with the front tire. Those test riders were lapping almost 2 seconds slower than Redding at the end of November, but the temperature was considerably warmer then.
 
All top riders crashed in the first Michelin tests -- this shows they are all very used to the Bridgestone front now, and take advantage of its qualities. This is something they all copied from Stoner, imo, the first rider to exploit Bridgestone and who showed the way to others.

On the other hand, in the latest Michelin tests at Jerez just before Christmas (with test riders only from Aprilia, Honda and Ducati) nobody crashed and Pirro said that there has been a marked improvement with the front tire. Those test riders were lapping almost 2 seconds slower than Redding at the end of November, but the temperature was considerably warmer then.

In a world of thousandths , 2 seconds is an eternity and most definitely the difference between crashing and not crashing. Dorna should allow extra testing with the contracted riders with a change this big. Their main concern should be getting the riders used to the tires so we don't have a rash of injuries 2-3 races into the season
 

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