Melandri

Is it just me or is he annoying anyone else?

Its like hes commented that he wont risk breaking bones because the bike isnt safe but like Gresini said he doesnt expect it to win but he does want it further up in the results

In my opinion Melandri has resigned himself to the fact that he wont be on the bike next year and so is just going round but almost half heartedly.

Compared to Hayden who has just kept faith in his team and the bike, melandri looks like a complaining baby. Also, hayden is improving now, maybe if ,melandri was more cooperative and supporting he would reap the benefits.

This is not a personal attack on him as i do quite like him i just think everyone has problems such as vale last year and he is making a huge deal out of it

A lot of professional racers seem to be prima donna's that whine and pout when things dont go their way.And yes i do agree with you that Hayden has gone about this the right way compared to Pedro and Melandri.And the sad part is.Honda will still .... on him.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tinks @ Jul 11 2007, 02:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Is it just me or is he annoying anyone else?

Its like hes commented that he wont risk breaking bones because the bike isnt safe but like Gresini said he doesnt expect it to win but he does want it further up in the results

In my opinion Melandri has resigned himself to the fact that he wont be on the bike next year and so is just going round but almost half heartedly.

Compared to Hayden who has just kept faith in his team and the bike, melandri looks like a complaining baby. Also, hayden is improving now, maybe if ,melandri was more cooperative and supporting he would reap the benefits.

This is not a personal attack on him as i do quite like him i just think everyone has problems such as vale last year and he is making a huge deal out of it

I do agree with you regarding Melandri vs Haydens approach to their problems. Hayden has proved to be one of the most stubborn guys there, never giving up. Allways doing the most laps in testing and training and keep his spirit up. In a way he was even worse off than Melandri as he doesn't have the famous Bridgestone front rubber. But his latest improvements are more likely just as much bike improvements as Hayden learning the bike.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jul 11 2007, 01:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I do agree with you regarding Melandri vs Haydens approach to their problems. Hayden has proved to be one of the most stubborn guys there, never giving up. Allways doing the most laps in testing and training and keep his spirit up. In a way he was even worse off than Melandri as he doesn't have the famous Bridgestone front rubber. But his latest improvements are more likely just as much bike improvements as Hayden learning the bike.

definately i agree its bike improvements but dont you think that melandri wil suffer with this due to his attitude hes already lower down the honda pecking order as hayden + pedrosa wil get new parts first.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tinks @ Jul 11 2007, 01:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>definately i agree its bike improvements but dont you think that melandri wil suffer with this due to his attitude hes already lower down the honda pecking order as hayden + pedrosa wil get new parts first.


melandri makes it out as though honda are just sat there or they know what they need to do but arent doing it or are doing it too slow. The 800s appear to have affected them the worst they obviously dont know what to do to improve the bike and when they do do something it takes a while because it is a method of trial and error.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tinks @ Jul 11 2007, 01:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>definately i agree its bike improvements but dont you think that melandri wil suffer with this due to his attitude hes already lower down the honda pecking order as hayden + pedrosa wil get new parts first.
melandri makes it out as though honda are just sat there or they know what they need to do but arent doing it or are doing it too slow. The 800s appear to have affected them the worst they obviously dont know what to do to improve the bike and when they do do something it takes a while because it is a method of trial and error.


With quite a small paddock i wonder if melandri complaining will not improve his chances of a factory ride next year.

I know its been said before in various threads and its true it never did Biaggi any good.

Just read an article in another thread which has some relevence of Marcos reasoning and this thread.
Marco and other people on this site including me think that the Gresini squad being a satelite team are lower down the pecking order than HRC and when casey was on a LCR bike last year he said that interference outside the Squad were playing huge consequences with his race winning chances .

here is what he said

C.S: I don’t know what the real HRC stuff is like. They were always telling me last year that I was on the same stuff as Dani and Nicky but now I see that was a whole load of crap. There is no way that they give the same stuff to the satellite teams that the factory team has and it is the same thing with the other companies providing products. They tell you, ‘you are on the same this and that,’ but it is just not true and now I can see that from the outside because, like I said, my bike changed from session to session and it wasn’t anything to do with anything the team was doing. The team was doing a great job, but it was the companies playing around.


though i dont aggree with Marcos pissy fits out loud i can see why he is upset

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chanchan @ Jul 11 2007, 03:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>With quite a small paddock i wonder if melandri complaining will not improve his chances of a factory ride next year.

I know its been said before in various threads and its true it never did Biaggi any good.

Just read an article in another thread which has some relevence of Marcos reasoning and this thread.
Marco and other people on this site including me think that the Gresini squad being a satelite team are lower down the pecking order than HRC and when casey was on a LCR bike last year he said that interference outside the Squad were playing huge consequences with his race winning chances .

here is what he said

C.S: I don’t know what the real HRC stuff is like. They were always telling me last year that I was on the same stuff as Dani and Nicky but now I see that was a whole load of crap. There is no way that they give the same stuff to the satellite teams that the factory team has and it is the same thing with the other companies providing products. They tell you, ‘you are on the same this and that,’ but it is just not true and now I can see that from the outside because, like I said, my bike changed from session to session and it wasn’t anything to do with anything the team was doing. The team was doing a great job, but it was the companies playing around.
though i dont aggree with Marcos pissy fits out loud i can see why he is upset


surely it will annoy honda more to complain publicly about it. Everyone knows the works teams are priority and then things get filtered down so he wil have known that from the start.

the only reason i can think of him acting like this is because he has signed a pre season contract with ducati meaning he doesnt necessarily have to impress, he can just be careful not to have any bad crashes and know he wil have a good bike at the end of the season. Maybe he is complaining so much so people (ducati) are aware it is the bike and not a reflection of his talent.

Jesus Christ, do my eyes deceive me or is Tinks and Babel actually giving a little prop to Hayden?

As far as Melandri, well I said my peace on another thread similar to this one. Thread and My Take I am a fan and dually like him, but yes I'm disappointed. I think its fair game to be honest about the bike within its limit, however, its never ok to say he's not gonna risk to gain positions because that is a loss of integrity/respect for his team, the sport, and himself. For his sake, I hope he retracts and says he was wrong to say this, but he did in a moment of frustration. Like Bikergirl said, he's only human.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jul 11 2007, 01:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>A lot of professional racers seem to be prima donna's that whine and pout when things dont go their way.
i dont agree, a lot of what we hear is nothing more than hype generated by the press, if there are problems then riders should speak out altho doing it in a very public way is normally a last result.
which rider's do you consider prima donna's that whine and pout when things dont go their way .

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 11 2007, 09:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>which rider's do you consider prima donna's that whine and pout when things dont go their way .
Melandri, Rossi, Pedrosa, Lorenzo, Biaggi (in the past), Mladin.

But yes Roger, I agree with you, much of it is mostly drama created by press. But if you go and read the actual quotes, sometimes its just simply whining (in any language) and sometimes disappointing.

Are you just looking to argue with Povol?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jul 11 2007, 06:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Melandri, Rossi, Pedrosa, Lorenzo, Biaggi (in the past), Mladin.

But yes Roger, I agree with you, much of it is mostly drama created by press. But if you go and read the actual quotes, sometimes its just simply whining (in any language) and sometimes disappointing.

Are you just looking to argue with Povol?
why would you say such a thing

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jul 11 2007, 10:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>why would you say such a thing
Haha, just a hunch buddy, but I have no credible evidence.

i hardly think you can include rossi....he's winged about 2 things -

1. tyres - which last year affected his winning the title and this year caused problems

2 - elias who rossi felt hard done by.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tinks @ Jul 11 2007, 10:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i hardly think you can include rossi....
Ok, you can take him off the list as long as you continue to give props where props are due.

Disappointing for me. Another example of the total demoralization of a rider who can't hack it when things turn bad. His mentality has been destroyed and his riding has gone with it, it may not be permanent but the worse it gets the bigger the change will need to be to fix it (new team/bike). If he can't find more strength in his mind he will never have what it takes to be world champion.

If I were Melandri I would be pissed as well, screw Honda's tender feelings. How long is he supposed to keep his mouth shut for when he is frustrated as hell running at the mid pack. He is a real contender for the championship stuck on a B ride that the factory team can't get to work. He could easily fight with Hayden, Pedrosa, Rossi and Stoner week in and out.

And, if he wants to come to Suzuki well they have a couple of brand new shiny GSV-R800's sitting in the garage for him with a great team, manager and in dire need of a future champion.

I think the factories should be using there satelite teams as major test teams as well.
After all there are a few championships being run at the same time;
Rider, Teams & Manufacture Championships
I've heard many a time the Manufacture say it is important to win the manufacture championship as well as the rider championship.
Surely, slowly filtering parts down the line to satelite teams is not the way to go about this.

Don't worry about satelite teams beating the factory team, the factory team should always attract the very best riders, and if the satelite teams do beat the factory teams on the track (which happens now anyway) it should be a motivating factor for the factory team to work harder.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 11 2007, 07:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Disappointing for me. Another example of the total demoralization of a rider who can't hack it when things turn bad. His mentality has been destroyed and his riding has gone with it, it may not be permanent but the worse it gets the bigger the change will need to be to fix it (new team/bike). If he can't find more strength in his mind he will never have what it takes to be world champion.

I think melandri's chances of that are quite slim unless he goes to ducati and is as successful as stoner otherwise i think his best chance was when competing with rossi and gibernau. Even if he does go to ducati, capirossi is not getting the same results as stoner which does not necessarily mean melandri will. On the other hand a new challenge may make up the difference whereas loris feels abandonned which will affect his performance.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tinks @ Jul 12 2007, 10:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think melandri's chances of that are quite slim unless he goes to ducati and is as successful as stoner otherwise i think his best chance was when competing with rossi and gibernau. Even if he does go to ducati, capirossi is not getting the same results as stoner which does not necessarily mean melandri will. On the other hand a new challenge may make up the difference whereas loris feels abandonned which will affect his performance.

news in motorcyclenews that melandri has a pre contract aggreement in place for next years ducati ride which may leave cappa going to kwacka.
an announcement is close

check out the link http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sp...de/?R=EPI-92651


just stating what we all thought really

por news for westy though unless with the new major sponsor they might be able to run three machines and have oj as test rider