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Masao Furusawa interview

Did you know that the responsible of Yamaha racing did not want the return of Rossi team?


Did you know that the responsible of Yamaha racing did not want the return of Rossi team?

No, the return of Valentino Rossi to Yamaha was not a lap with trumpets and fanfare. Moreover, in the article of Enrico Borghi which publish at Solo Moto this week in this regard, our Italian colleague brings to light how complicated it was Valentino returned to the box which left in 2010 at a time...


11 December 2012 - 23: 17 | solomoto.es | MotoGP

... Worth as an example the revealing confession of Masao Furusawa, one of the most renowned engineers in Yamaha and unconditional supporter within Yamaha Rossi supporter: "Against the doubts of the racing Department, marketing and communication of Iwata became the greatest supporter of the return of Valentino".


In the same interview/story that we titled with the stranger but revealing "what we never thought we were going to know", and you can read entire at Solo Moto magazine n ° 1904 (since the Tuesday day 11 on sale) Furusawa opens us wide the doors of one side of the story which is normally forbidden. Try but with summaries that we have extracted the story to 8 pages that you can't miss if you like racing and want to be aware of all the details:


"Ducati I feel have been lost and that attempt out of the morass in which had gotten ended up losing the strong point that had the bike: Acceleration".


"Honda has acquired expertise to fabricate a chassis that guarantees good traction and stability front. I must say that the Honda is currently at the same level as the Yamaha".


"It cannot be just a matter of engineering, as you can not be only consequence have been confused. There must be reasons that have to do with the top managment".


"If an organization that get well manage all work carried out is not created, it is impossible to win. I think that Preziosi has had problems in your organization.


"Many times people that they occupy a role subordinate are of the type"Yes Sir"and this is dangerous because it does not allow you to grow".


"If Valentino had continued to believe in the project after the first disappointment, and Filippo had listened more to Valentino, in 2012 the Desmosedici have gone better."


"To me seems that Filippo is a good engineer and someone who wants to learn. But for the position, this was not enough."


"I think that Rossi will be competitive, will go fast. It is true that major has done, but many are trained to keep pace with young people".


"Everything went well with Jorge until in Yamaha they learned their negotiations with Honda during the first part of the 2012 season. "From there has changed the attitude towards him".


"For the most passionate see again jungtos Rossi and Lorenzo will be a nice show, but for those who touch them live within the box, it will be a difficult year".


"Yamaha and motorbikes are a closed chapter for me, but if Yamaha, or Valentino, need me sometime need me..."
 
I don't imagine this is shocking to anybody but the most blinded bopper. The racing dept. had a guy who was on his way (at the time of Rossi's signing) to winning his second world title and is young enough to win a few more. I'm sure they would rather have another even younger guy who will be ready to take the reigns in 3-4 years and in the meantime learn from and help out Lorenzo than bring back Rossi, who will probably just antagonize the no 1 rider and is in the twilight years of his career.


 


 The marketing dept. on the other hand gets the big easy. Not only do they get his name for two years to get a title sponsor, but they get to use his name and likeness forever if he retires happy on a Yamaha.   
 
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"Everything went well with Jorge until in Yamaha they learned their negotiations with Honda during the first part of the 2012 season. "From there has changed the attitude towards him".
So you don't find this bit remotely amusing?
 
Goatboy
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So you don't find this bit remotely amusing?


 


What, when they found out they were so outraged they made him an even bigger offer? Because without Lorenzo what do they have. Spies? Ok thats is funny!


 


I read from Lorenzo that in hindsight if he knew Yamaha would sign Rossi he would have taken the Honda deal. Lorenzo thinks Yamaha played him well and took advantage of his loyalty. Next time he takes the money.
 
He stopped being value for money, being unable to deliver a sponsor with the championship, & then needing a hike in wages. That amuses me.
 
Goatboy
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He stopped being value for money, being unable to deliver a sponsor with the championship, & then needing a hike in wages. That amuses me.
Rossi being so desperate to escape the red devil he had to turn over his personal Monster Energy sponsorship to Yamaha so they could afford to pay no value Lorenzo's over-inflated salary amuses you?


Getting cash out of Rossi is like squeezing blood out of stone according to the Italian tax department. That Yamaha managed to do it amuses me a bit, but not that much. I think Rossi is a good chance of getting another title. He has access to Lorenzo's settings, and can let Lorenzo tow him around to find the bikes limits. After that he can ..... slap Lorenzo out of his way and claim the glory that only a Rossi second or is it third coming deserves.


You will be amused in the knowledge this will annoy me so much I will vow never to watch motogp again and run off to buy V8 tickets at a much more reasonable price yet this will never replace the bike racing joy Ive experienced ever since that first race I saw with Gardner, Lawson, Schwantz and co providing the best entertainment money could buy.
 
birdman
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VB. Victoria Bitter. Sold to the English. Very bitter indeed.


It is actually better than Foster's which the english were gulled into buying, but that is damning it with very faint praise.
 
Goatboy
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Foster's is a kids drink here, a gateway tinny if you will.


 


 


I'll get off topic. The only time I drank Fosters by Andy. 


 


Many years ago when I was a young policeman and prior to the Royal Commission that said we all had to behave ourselves (unless we had political connections  a semi trailer crashed just out of town. It was full of Fosters destined for the many tourist establishments that litter the gold coast like Coke cans shining on the Great Barrier Reef. An eyesore to offend most other eyesores.


 


Now Australians don't drink Fosters, you wont even find it in the overwhelming majority of pubs, it is ...... 


 


The company (Carlton United Breweries at that time) said the whole load was written off and the police were to guard it until they buried it. 


 


And guard it we did. 


 


There was a stream of police vehicles, fire trucks  rescue trucks, ambulances and so on and so forth coming back to and then leaving the scene. Some appeared to be so tail heavy they needed a run up to crest Quarry Hill. 


 


We could, by our logic best guard this beer at our own workplaces and we set about carrying out this civic favour. 


 


Of course when it was buried some forget to mention it and damn it, we were left with several thousand bottles of Fosters.


 


So we drank and drank and drank, Foster after bloody Fosters. 


 


You couldn't turn up to any Emergency Service or Hospital function for months without Fosters being present in large quantities. It was even suggested at a Hospital Fundraiser the aforesaid was sold at $1 a chilled can to raise money for the hsopital. Despite my then wife being a hospital employee I never actually saw any evidence of it. 


 


Eventually it ran out. 


 


No one from that era and place ever touched a Fosters again. No one knows why it was invented in the first place. It is the blobfish of the brewing world. 


 


As I sucked down my first Carlton Draught after the Fosters flood it occurred to me that most Australians would drink hippopotamus urine if it was chilled, had an alcohol content above 4% and it was free. 


 


That is my fosters story. 


 


I have travelled many times overseas and see Fosters on shelves in bottle shops and supermarkets, Foreign friends who know us well also know not to buy Fosters "to make us feel at home". Hideous ....... pig swill. 
 
We all  knew Jarvis & C. didn't want Rossi back, and that the decision has been taken at headquarters; but that at Iwata they resented Lorenzo's protracted negotiations with Honda (and increased demand to stay at Yamaha) so much, that is news. No doubt marketing considerations were paramount in hiring Rossi back (understandably after 2 years without a title sponsor) but some annoyed feelings seem to have counted in the final decision. IN the end it has been also a slap at Lorenzo, no doubt about that.


 


Furusawa is plenty wise and keeps to himself much more than he discloses, but he drops that kind of juicy hints here and there... like when he said, back in 2010-11, that Ducati were probably doing something wrong and that Rossi could become an additional 'noise' in their confusion... prophetic.


 


He insists he wants out of the MotoGP world, but he still seems to be very much in the loop. When/if he really leaves, he will be missed. Hope he stays around in some way.
 
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We all  knew Jarvis & C. didn't want Rossi back, and that the decision has been taken at headquarters; but that at Iwata they resented Lorenzo's protracted negotiations with Honda (and increased demand to stay at Yamaha) so much, that is news. No doubt marketing considerations were paramount in hiring Rossi back (understandably after 2 years without a title sponsor) but some annoyed feelings seem to have counted in the final decision. IN the end it has been also a slap at Lorenzo, no doubt about that.


 


Furusawa is plenty wise and keeps to himself much more than he discloses, but he drops that kind of juicy hints here and there... like when he said, back in 2010-11, that Ducati were probably doing something wrong and that Rossi could become an additional 'noise' in their confusion... prophetic.


 


He insists he wants out of the MotoGP world, but he still seems to be very much in the loop. When/if he really leaves, he will be missed. Hope he stays around in some way.


 


Lorenzo's negotiations with Honda were protracted?  Didn't he fire his manager for not telling him everything about the Honda offer?  Didn't Lorenzo sign a new contract much, much earlier in the season than any of the other major riders?  And if Yamaha were so pissed off with Lorenzo, why sign him so quickly, and for more $$$?  Also, if Yamaha really felt slighted by a rider exploring options with another team, what is their view of a rider who did leave, in an act of petulance that back-fired abysmally?


 


To find out that the racing department didn't want you back (aside from Furusawa, who no doubt still has a lot of influence), but the marketing department did (does this mean Rossi effectively bought his way onto the team?)... seems like there's a lot of slaps to go around.


 


Yamaha could find a title sponsor in an instant if they were prepared to lower their asking price, like Suzuki with Rizla.  In this economic climate, if Rossi's arrival does lead to a new sponsor it's unlikely to be anything substantial; not close to what Repsol pay (which itself is nowhere near enough).  And if it turns out to be Monster, I wonder what this means for Tech 3, let alone Lorenzo and Rockstar (another slap, right there?).


 


There's always lots of soap opera drama when riders change teams. :) Remember Lawson testing the '89 Yahama, and then signing with Honda?  Ago said he would never ride for Yamaha again; 12 months later he's back in the factory squad and Ago is history!  Of course, Rainey and Lawson in the same team didn't work out too well, only lasting a season, and Lawson's injuries meant although there was tension, there were no fireworks.  In that light, bring on 2013!
 
Goatboy
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Foster's is a kids drink here, a gateway tinny if you will.


 


That's ....... hilarious! I must use that on my Pommie mates that think it's the mutt's nuts.


 


The same goes for Stella in the UK - I don't know how it is, but the Poms seem to be able to take the worst ..... in the world and make it fashionable...
 
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That's ....... hilarious! I must use that on my Pommie mates that think it's the mutt's nuts.


 


The same goes for Stella in the UK - I don't know how it is, but the Poms seem to be able to take the worst ..... in the world and make it fashionable...


Here in the UK sensible drinkers only get imported Stella, the brewed in then uk stuff is just as bad as fosters.


I don't drink anything that is brewed in this country unless at a real ale fete, Then it's game on because you know it will be quality brew! ;)
 
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Lorenzo's negotiations with Honda were protracted?  Didn't he fire his manager for not telling him everything about the Honda offer?  Didn't Lorenzo sign a new contract much, much earlier in the season than any of the other major riders?  And if Yamaha were so pissed off with Lorenzo, why sign him so quickly, and for more $$$?  Also, if Yamaha really felt slighted by a rider exploring options with another team, what is their view of a rider who did leave, in an act of petulance that back-fired abysmally?


 


To find out that the racing department didn't want you back (aside from Furusawa, who no doubt still has a lot of influence), but the marketing department did (does this mean Rossi effectively bought his way onto the team?)... seems like there's a lot of slaps to go around.


 


Yamaha could find a title sponsor in an instant if they were prepared to lower their asking price, like Suzuki with Rizla.  In this economic climate, if Rossi's arrival does lead to a new sponsor it's unlikely to be anything substantial; not close to what Repsol pay (which itself is nowhere near enough).  And if it turns out to be Monster, I wonder what this means for Tech 3, let alone Lorenzo and Rockstar (another slap, right there?).


 


There's always lots of soap opera drama when riders change teams. :) Remember Lawson testing the '89 Yahama, and then signing with Honda?  Ago said he would never ride for Yamaha again; 12 months later he's back in the factory squad and Ago is history!  Of course, Rainey and Lawson in the same team didn't work out too well, only lasting a season, and Lawson's injuries meant although there was tension, there were no fireworks.  In that light, bring on 2013!


 


We know when the negotiations ended, we don't know when they began. The reasons for Lorenzo firing his manager were many, and it is difficult to separate cause from pretext. If Furusawa says Iwata was pissed, I tend to believe him.


 


Yamaha has not had a title sponsor since Valentino left; whatever their asking price, which again we don't know, that's a fact. Of course they could find many sponsors for cheap, but being cheap is not the quality of a title sponsor anyway (even more so when it is Yamaha). And I think they hired him back more in a hope of increasing sales than in a hope of finding some great sponsor. Rossi certainly did not buy his way back in the team, other than signing for (much) less money than Ducati offered him. Apart from money and sponsors, VR46 definitely helps sales, and that's another fact that those who are perpetually irritated with Rossi have trouble seeing, or accepting. Ducati's sales increased even during the last two years of disappointing results in the actual racing. If it was just Rossi or not we cannot know, but fact is that Rossi was there. 


 


I agree with the soap opera part, the examples are all true (but I think there is a slip of the pen in Ago's) and are good to remember.  :)
 
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We know when the negotiations ended, we don't know when they began. The reasons for Lorenzo firing his manager were many, and it is difficult to separate cause from pretext. If Furusawa says Iwata was pissed, I tend to believe him.
Well, we have a fair idea when negotiations could have started at the earliest: when (well-founded, it turned out!) rumours about Stoner retiring first surfaced during Jerez/Estoril this year. To me, this would indicate that Honda wouldn't have approached Lorenzo before early to mid-May (i.e. when it became clear to HRC there was no changing Stoner's mind); he signed with Yamaha between Catalunya and Silverstone around June 12th. Is spending one month really taking so long that Yamaha HQ would be so enraged?

I think Yamaha actually pushed and pushed Lorenzo to sign, because they knew they couldn't win a bidding war with Honda if it dragged deep into the summer. The fact that less than a month passed between Stoner publically annoucing his retirement and Lorenzo signing again with Yamaha shows how desperate they were to keep him. There doesn't seem to be much reason for Yamaha to be put out with Lorenzo, but if there is an element who are upset, they should take a good hard look at their own negotiating team first.

I did a bit of checking about Marcos Hirsch, and found that he and Lorenzo parted amicably; indeed, Jorge even said, 'It had nothing to do with my contract negotiations.' There's no reason to doubt the sincerity of Lorenzo's words.

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And I think they hired him back more in a hope of increasing sales than in a hope of finding some great sponsor. Rossi certainly did not buy his way back in the team, other than signing for (much) less money than Ducati offered him. Apart from money and sponsors, VR46 definitely helps sales,
I was mostly just having a joke at the idea of Valentino Rossi (Mr. 9 times) having to bring money to the table (or at least the potential of money to the table) in order to get the ride. But if you're saying, in a manner of speaking, there's substance to that idea, then... ;)
 

 

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and that's another fact that those who are perpetually irritated with Rossi have trouble seeing, or accepting. Ducati's sales increased even during the last two years of disappointing results in the actual racing. If it was just Rossi or not we cannot know, but fact is that Rossi was there.
I don't think that was directed at me, but I'm sure that even those individuals who are perpetually irritated with Rossi have no trouble acknowledging his popularity--you can hardly miss it. It's a well accepted fact that Rossi puts bums on seats, makes yellow-coloured merchandise fly off the shelves, and, undoubtedly, helps manufacturers sell their motorcycles. I assume those who dislike Rossi have their various reasons (real or imagined), but in this respect, I can understand why a rider whose fame (for lack of a better word) has elevated him above/made him seem more important than the sport they've followed and loved for x years might be perpetually irritating. Whether any of this is actually Rossi's fault depends on how culpable he is in the creation and maintenence of his cult of personality.

The other interesting (and possibly amusing) thing about the Yamaha factory team comings and goings refers to Rossi's signing. By putting pressure on Spies to really step up this year, yet (seemingly) not giving him anywhere near the level of support, did Jarvis shoot himself in the foot? Could that be why Jarvis-Spies-Yamaha all say it was Ben's decision to leave? What results would have kept Spies on a factory Yamaha and Rossi counting his money at Ducati/home retired in Tavullia? I'm not one who believes Rossi's signing was Dorna-influenced; if Dorna could force a Japanese factory to do something I think they might have used that option before now to ram through a raft of technical rules changes...
 
 
 

 

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I agree with the soap opera part, the examples are all true (but I think there is a slip of the pen in Ago's) and are good to remember.  :)
Now I'm curious as to where the slip of the pen is! :)
 

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