Lorenzo

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 10 2008, 09:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i dont hate you at all, and i find you funny. as i said before, if you live in a glass house dont throw rocks.
you first words in this thread "The .... you on about?" thought you were up for a bit of a play coming in so strong.
anyway back on topic , i think your looking at next years champ, he looks as hungry as rossi did when he came into the premier class in 2000. what do you think ?

Yes my first words were strong and I should have phrased it better.

Lorenzo has impressed me, I think he can win a title but this season maybe too soon.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Mar 10 2008, 09:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think Lorenzo's ego will help him to do the damage, the guy has self belief by the bucket. I dont think he'll take the title, but he'll be up there at the end. Thats my take on the guy.

You off your high horse yet pacman?

Pete

I was never on my high horse in the first place

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Mar 10 2008, 09:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Its funny but my sixth sense is telling me that there will be a sudden decline in Rossi fans in the next two years as well
there already is compared to say 2005. dont you worry tho mate, the hard core like me pete baldy and our new follower jumkie aint going know where. .

pete, i dont think lorenzo will take the title this year but i have a feeling he will the following. just that hungry look .personally i hope dovi whips his ...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 10 2008, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>there already is compared to say 2005. dont you worry tho mate, the hard core like me pete baldy and our new follower jumkie aint going know where. .

pete, i dont think lorenzo will take the title this year but i have a feeling he will the following. just that hungry look .personally i hope dovi whips his ...

Oh no he didn't?? Jumkie had a ... change. I thought that I would never see the day when he was a Rossi fan.

+1 on Dovi wipping Hohays ...

There is a first time for everything, and maybe this is the year when a rookie takes first. He needs some help to get past Stoner because he aint going to get by on sheer will and riding ability alone we already saw that with Rossi last year and it didn't do him much good.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Mar 10 2008, 09:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Oh no he didn't?? Jumkie had a ... change. I thought that I would never see the day when he was a Rossi fan.

+1 on Dovi wipping Hohays ...
it took a pretty young blonde girl to temp him over to the dark side

... change you say, umm i though he was acting funny lately

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Mar 10 2008, 06:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But its all harmless fun isnt it?

Pete
Absolutely!

The thing that impressed me about lorenzo apart from his excellent riding was that he was quite humble, both after his pole in qualifying and his good race performance. He also actually seems to have quite a sense of humour. Maybe his act last year was just that, an act.

Hang in there, Pacman.

You haven't been here in a while so your ... is a wad of cookie dough. In a few weeks, you'll be carved out of wood.




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Official Lorenzo biography has been released today ... might be interesting for his fans.
Personally I think at his age and stage of his career it just proves he has a huge ego and needs to show off in front of everyone. I think he should've waited to win SOMETHING important to do this. But it seems biographies are a popular thing to do among new young starlets overhyped and adored by their home media who yet have to win something at top level (Lorenzo, Hamilton ...)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teomolca @ Mar 25 2008, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think he should've waited to win SOMETHING important to do this.

Its rediculous isn't it. He's only just starting the real thing, just like Hamilton (who has at least 4 books out already). The thing is that as a Lorenzo fan i am going to want to read this, so they publishers will be getting my money just as they planned.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 25 2008, 09:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Its rediculous isn't it. He's only just starting the real thing, just like Hamilton (who has at least 4 books out already). The thing is that as a Lorenzo fan i am going to want to read this, so they publishers will be getting my money just as they planned.

Lorenzo better win the title this year before Dovi gets a real bike! I'm going to love watching Lorenzo year after year end up in second place. Honda actually puts effort into MotoGP unlike the 250's.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (projekZERO @ Mar 25 2008, 05:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lorenzo better win the title this year before Dovi gets a real bike! I'm going to love watching Lorenzo year after year end up in second place. Honda actually puts effort into MotoGP unlike the 250's.

I think the battle between these two will be very interesting in years to come, but for me Doviziozo has a lot to prove and Lorenzo very little. Dovi only has 4 wins since his 125cc world title, and that was a long time ago. Obviously the honda hasn't been the best bike in 250, but the difference was not nearly as huge as the performance gap between Dovi and jorge. How they take to the big bikes may not necessarily follow the pattern of the smaller classes though so its very difficult to predict.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 25 2008, 09:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think the battle between these two will be very interesting in years to come, but for me Doviziozo has a lot to prove and Lorenzo very little. Dovi only has 4 wins since his 125cc world title, and that was a long time ago. Obviously the honda hasn't been the best bike in 250, but the difference was not nearly as huge as the performance gap between Dovi and jorge. How they take to the big bikes may not necessarily follow the pattern of the smaller classes though so its very difficult to predict.

Depends on if you just look at the numbers or watch the races. I don't agree the bikes were close last year. They may have been somewhat close in 06 (and Dovi almost took the title). but last year no way. If you don't believe me look at the 125 class. Smith goes from barely scoring points to blowing everyone in the weeds in all the tests and getting pole the moment he steps off the Honda and on an Aprilia. I remember watching Dovi getting punked on the straights all year long. Also, where were the other factory Repsol Hondas? Nowhere to be found!

Dovi is a better tactition then Lorenzo in my opinion. As far as flat out speed in the dry, I might give Lorenzo the slight nod. But in the wet, in traffic, setting up passes, the ability the take different lines. Dovi is superior to me. He is also very very consistent. Dovi has finished outside the points only 3 times since 2003 and last year for example was an engine failure while he was leading late in the race, (which would have made the championship a lot closer).

So on equal bikes, over the course of a season with rain, and all the variables. I think Dovi can win championships. For sure it will be a great battle between the 2.

I guess I end up somewhere between you two. Commin into the big class they both have just as much to prove, but Lorenzo get the added pressure of being on a factory bike. If Dovi continue to perform as he did in this first race or even slightly worse I strongly suspect he will end up with full factory support next year. Should be ideal time to enter with Honda on the defencive for a few years and finally getting someone able to set the bike up. That's going to be interesting.

For the performance of the two I agree with ProjectZ. Raw speed - Lorenzo, in every other aspect Dovi.

Don't be surprised if Lorenzo beat the dust at this week ends race.

Lorenzo isn't a crasher by nature, so i don't expect to see him in the sand a lot. I will agree that Dovi's racecraft is excellent and he is obviously very consistent but Lorenzo isn't much less consistent and is far faster, so far things have gone in the spaniards favour.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 26 2008, 08:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lorenzo isn't a crasher by nature, so i don't expect to see him in the sand a lot. I will agree that Dovi's racecraft is excellent and he is obviously very consistent but Lorenzo isn't much less consistent and is far faster, so far things have gone in the spaniards favour.

Riding upressured with the fastest bike as he has done the two last years are not a good benchmark for his strength of mentality. Lorenzo didn't get the Lunatic call name at motoGPnews for nothing. He used to be a hot head and did a lot of stupid things in his early years. That said, he has grown and kids like him do change a lot in those years so in the end he might come out as a mature rider. As you can see by the reports everyone are all playing down his result from quatar and expectations for next race. But at home ground on a track he know it will be interesting to see how much he has grown. I think this race will be a good benchmark for how grown he is.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 26 2008, 12:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lorenzo isn't a crasher by nature, so i don't expect to see him in the sand a lot. I will agree that Dovi's racecraft is excellent and he is obviously very consistent but Lorenzo isn't much less consistent and is far faster, so far things have gone in the spaniards favour.

I don't know about far faster. Thats yet to be seen since they have never had equal bikes. Lorenzo is fast in qualifying and when he gets out front he can dominate. But will he be a casey stoner and leave everyone for dead in MotoGP? I doubt it, and whats he going to do in the rain? Dovi wins races in the rain, Lorenzo struggles.

I for sure think Lorenzo may finish better then Dovi this year, he has a better bike as has always been the case. But next year, if Dovi gets a factory bike, Lorenzo may win races when he gets out front, heck he may even win more races. But in those races he doesn't get out front, or those where it rains, he will loose out on a lot of points compared to the top 4 finishes Dovi gets when he doesn't perform well. And in the end, I think Dovi has a better shot at a championship.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (projekZERO @ Mar 27 2008, 01:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't know about far faster. Thats yet to be seen since they have never had equal bikes. Lorenzo is fast in qualifying and when he gets out front he can dominate. But will he be a casey stoner and leave everyone for dead in MotoGP? I doubt it, and whats he going to do in the rain? Dovi wins races in the rain, Lorenzo struggles.

I for sure think Lorenzo may finish better then Dovi this year, he has a better bike as has always been the case. But next year, if Dovi gets a factory bike, Lorenzo may win races when he gets out front, heck he may even win more races. But in those races he doesn't get out front, or those where it rains, he will loose out on a lot of points compared to the top 4 finishes Dovi gets when he doesn't perform well. And in the end, I think Dovi has a better shot at a championship.

I agree in some part. Ultimately it will depend on how bad Lorenzo goes when he has a bad day, we saw so few in the last two years of 250 racing that it remains a mystery how he deals with the struggle. With dovi it remains to be seen if he will actually take some authority when he does get the quick bikes, or if he'll always have a Hayden like precense at the front but never leading the pack. But that can even get the job done.

Also about their equipment. they rode the same bike in 2005 as 250cc Rookies, Lorenzo was quicker but Dovi more consistent. And in 125 Dovi had considerably better equipment, but the results were pretty one sided back then. How relevant is that now, i'd say not very.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 26 2008, 08:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Riding upressured with the fastest bike as he has done the two last years are not a good benchmark for his strength of mentality.

Unpreasured is a huge exaggeration of his situation isn't it. There are many pressures that come with any factory ride not to mention the expectation that comes with being the best, and its all self inflicted as a result of strong performance.