Lets just be honest now.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rickyduck @ Jul 3 2009, 10:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This his how good each rider really is.

1 Valentino ROSSI
2 Jorge LORENZO
3 Casey STONER
4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO
5 Dani PEDROSA
6 Colin EDWARDS
7 Loris CAPIROSSI
8 Marco MELANDRI
9 Chris VERMEULEN
10 Randy DE PUNIET
11 James TOSELAND
12 Alex DE ANGELIS
13 Nicky HAYDEN
14 Toni ELIAS
15 Mika KALLIO
16 Niccolo CANEPA
17 Sete GIBERNAU
18 Yuki TAKAHASHI


I'm sick of all these people asking who's better than who. This is who's better than who. No questions asked. No arguments, no competition, no moaning.

Rossi is the best.

Lorenzo is the second best. What I like to see

Yes Stoner Suck-ups, he's 3rd best. No good, he's lost his touch.

4th is Dovizioso, above his team mate.

5th is good old short arse.

6th is Edwards,

7th is capirossi, so all the ones that call him "crapirossi" [what the .... anyways] shut your ....... hole.

8th - Melandri. But probably the mosest ballsiest on the grid.

9th - Vermulen. Still in the top ten people. Only 2 positions behind his team mate. Not really "under-performing"

10th - Randy De Puniet - Imagine where he'd be with crashes! I love the fella, and I'm glad his in the top 10.

11th - JT - yes, I like JT, but 11th isnt satisfactory at the moment.

12th - De Angelis. Can't say much really, sattelite honda, but could be doing better.

13th - Hayden. Sorry, it's still 13th, no matter what bike

14th - Elias - Poor results from the guy who pipped rossi to the win at portugal.

15th - Kallio. Good performance at assen at least. But still, 4th from last.

16th - Canepa. Should of stuck to testing, but at least he's not always last.

17th - Gibernau. Another rider on a sat duke. Silly people. Noway near a reflection on how he used to be.

18th - Takahashi - No good.

19th - Gabor - Not fair to judge from this result, only been in two rounds.


So come on people, instead of making up points as to why they are so crap, just face it, Rossi is best.

Okay so basically you have just copied the championship standings at the moment so not much of your own opinion there. I do agree with you on alot what you have said about the riders position. Rossi is the best and should be number 1. I think Stoner should be number 2 though and i do think that Hayden should be higher. You don't win a championship being crap...

No way you really believe De Angelis is better than Hayden

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rickyduck @ Jul 3 2009, 11:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yup, I copied then standings because people cant argue.
Thats how good the riders are right now.

Hmm i think it is a little unfair. Everyone has there "off days and seasons".

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rickyduck @ Jul 3 2009, 11:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yup, but I'm just saying thats how good each rider is this season.

You never said that you were talking about just this season. I thought you were talking about the riders in general. End of. Thats that sorta thing. If you are talking about just this season then the championship points don't lie!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rickyduck @ Jul 3 2009, 10:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This his how good each rider really is.

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I'm sick of all these people asking who's better than who. This is who's better than who. No questions asked. No arguments, no competition, no moaning.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rickyduck @ Jul 3 2009, 11:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Fair enough, but you've got to remember this is the best the riders are going to get this season. Unless they get a miraculous ride.

So the best in the world at this very moment is Rossi - and there is no arguing with that.

It is very close at the top, look at just before Assen the top 3 were all on 106 points. At this moment in time Rossi is the best as he has the most points but only by a few. It could all change. I wouldn't say he has it in the bag just yet.
Rossi will always be the best though he has won 8 championships no one else in the championship is anywhere close!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rickyduck @ Jul 3 2009, 11:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yup, I copied then standings because people cant argue.
Thats how good the riders are right now.

Very clever!

fixed it for ya


1 Valentino ROSSI
1.8 Ben SPIES
2 Jorge LORENZO
3 Casey STONER
4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO
5 Dani PEDROSA
6 Colin EDWARDS
7 Loris CAPIROSSI
8 Marco MELANDRI
9 Chris VERMEULEN
10 Randy DE PUNIET
11 James TOSELAND
12 Alex DE ANGELIS
13 Nicky HAYDEN
14 Toni ELIAS
15 Mika KALLIO
16 Niccolo CANEPA
17 Sete GIBERNAU
18 Yuki TAKAHASHI

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rickyduck @ Jul 3 2009, 08:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yup, I copied then standings because people cant argue.
Thats how good the riders are right now.

gee it only took you two years to realise that! I remember arguing the same in 2007 ...... but even when Stoner was insurmountably in front .... the Rossifans still insisted Rossi was the best

Can't argue with that.

The reason no one can argue with this is that it is so painfully pedestrian that a coherent argument to the contrary would take too much effort. By your logic I suppose Button and Barrichello are the best drivers in the world? How is it that you remove the machine from the equation? Rossi is without question the best rider in the world. He was the best rider in the world when he was second to Stoner in 07. Insisting that standing respectively and alone dictate talent is just too simple an argument to be meaningful.

The standings are relevant no doubt but they are hardly the only metric from which we judge.

I meant it certainly was simple...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rickyduck @ Jul 3 2009, 12:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thats how good the riders are right now.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rickyduck @ Jul 3 2009, 12:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't. I don't know De Angelis' full potential.
Thats just how it is now.
Yup, but I'm just saying thats how good each rider is this season


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rickyduck @ Jul 3 2009, 12:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So the best in the world at this very moment is Rossi


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (levigarrett @ Jul 3 2009, 08:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The standings are relevant no doubt but they are hardly the only metric from which we judge.

levi I agree completely. Current championship standings are but a snapshot in time. But in defense of rickyduck, he did state numerous times he was only talking about this season so far. And that in itself is a constraint. The story would change if the question was asked who are the best riders OF ALL TIME.

Continuing my rant:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (levigarrett @ Jul 3 2009, 08:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>By your logic I suppose Button and Barrichello are the best drivers in the world? How is it that you remove the machine from the equation?

Ok seriously, by merely stating that someone is the best DRIVER, you are not dissing the machine-factor in any way. You are simply acknowledging the performances of the driver. If he wanted to state what team has the best PACKAGE, that's when the machine becomes relevant to the discussion. You have to draw the line somewhere right? A statement must be done within certain constraints, lest the discussion that would follow will become chaos.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rickyduck @ Jul 3 2009, 08:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yup, I copied then standings because people cant argue.
Thats how good the riders are right now.

Your logic is awsome dude.
So, hypothetically, if this weekend Stoner wins, Jprge second and Rossi thiird, and they are back to even points, will you then revise your opinion and state that all three riders are equally the best in the world.

No one on here can judge who is the best, withiout knowing intimate details of who is doing what, and how good individual bikes are.

Will you also agree that Hayden was the best in the world in 2006...... ?????

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rickyduck @ Jul 4 2009, 08:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's not fair to rate riders on past or possible results. It's only fair to rate them on how they are now.

That's one of the most absurd things I've read from you. How in God's name do you think MotoGP (or 250, 125, WSBK, etc... for that matter) managers select who deserves a ride and who does not? AB-SO-LUTELY everyone (not just riders) is judged "on [their] past or possible results" ...your wife, girlfriend, significant other is doing it to you right now!