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Let's discuss: Michael Doohan

Awesome post, thanks for writing that up Gaz!

Gives me way more context now with watching any older race with Doohan.

Your post along with BM's and Michael's really hammer home Michael's word "relentless."

I've never seen any rider even today that is as relentless as Doohan was. I guess depending on circumstances you may get it for an individual race...but watching various races and clips this evening it seems like for Doohan, it was EVERY race. I can't even imagine the mental focus and discipline that takes to be at the top of your game for every single grand prix. And hell...it took an accident for him to quit rather than something like him fading off with talent. But racing against him had to be ....... demoralizing as a competitor.
The reason why MM has the record for most race wins in a season at 13 is that in Mick's most dominant season when he won 12 races, I think from 15, he crashed out of the last race at PI while leading by something like 12 seconds, to my profound shock. Just winning that race wasn't enough for him. Mind you, MM not only would do but has done the same.
 
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Perhaps one of the greatest clips ever posted on this forum.

He quite possibly had an equipment advantage, but was destroying Rainey and Schwantz in 1992 before the crash at Assen. As Assen demonstrated those things were brutal to ride though and it is hard to speak of equipment advantages when the bike itself was probably the most serious opponent.

Well put. In '92 he was not only owning Rainey and Schwantz, but forcing them into errors. Interestingly, he was nonetheless and uncharacteristically racked with doubt. I remember him saying since that had he have become WC back then, he probably would have quit racing. Much of this was also to do with his injuries, Costa had saved his leg and a pre-season testing accident exacerbated that injury

Weak opposition - regardless of who it was he would have made it so. Best bike? - only in his hands...again he made it so - he made it his own. Many forget that he was originally coveted by Suzuki and were it not for botched negotiations would have signed or Yamaha in 1995 - but it would have been the same. The Champion is the one that beats the rivals at the time. Although he was often in a different race, I always felt that Doohan was racing himself - and as you say in the era of 500cc subduing a feral beast beneath him in the process. Besides, there was no indication that he couldn't run with tougher opposition - many of his race times stood for years after his enforced (and premature) retirement. The Foggy era coincided which together with Sky coverage propelled WSBk almost into the mainstream in the UK. GP was viewed as boring, dull and predictable in comparison - the 'born agains' could relate to the production machinery as opposed to the vicarious thrill of armchair prototype racing, could ride a 996 out of the showroom. Doohan's dominance had them turning off in droves. Mick's famous response?

"What do you want me to do? slow down?"

The greats always bring something new in my opinion. The King had introduced
dirt derived rear wheel steering perfected by the subsequent masters Rainey, Lawson, Gardner, Schwantz - Mick could do that too, but he added an insane mid corner speed - still lighting up the rear on the exit.

The other thing I'd suggest about Doohan is that he knew how to develop a bike, he knew what he wanted and what worked and woe betide any HRC tech that begged to differ. He was possibly the only HRC rider before or since to vehemently reject factory interference and flights of fancy which is why throughout the 1990s - from the introduction of the big bang the NSR remained fundamentally unchanged in it's concept to his and any successors advantage.

Returning to the qualifying link from Assen that Barry posted, to me this epitomises his approach. To him the Championship was a consequence of winning races which was his ultimate focus which is why he rarely if ever raced for points. He viewed the championship was not the goal - just a No.1 that you put on the front of your bike and can't even see when you race. Which is precisely why, when someone tuns up on a Thursday and throughout subsequent the three days dominates all the practice sessions, qualifying and wins the race, we still refer to it as "Doohan-esque".

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Perhaps one of the greatest clips ever posted on this forum.



Well put. In '92 he was not only owning Rainey and Schwantz, but forcing them into errors. Interestingly, he was nonetheless and uncharacteristically racked with doubt. I remember him saying since that had he have become WC back then, he probably would have quit racing. Much of this was also to do with his injuries, Costa had saved his leg and a pre-season testing accident exacerbated that injury

Weak opposition - regardless of who it was he would have made it so. Best bike? - only in his hands...again he made it so - he made it his own. Many forget that he was originally coveted by Suzuki and were it not for botched negotiations would have signed or Yamaha in 1995 - but it would have been the same. The Champion is the one that beats the rivals at the time. Although he was often in a different race, I always felt that Doohan was racing himself - and as you say in the era of 500cc subduing a feral beast beneath him in the process. Besides, there was no indication that he couldn't run with tougher opposition - many of his race times stood for years after his enforced (and premature) retirement. The Foggy era coincided which together with Sky coverage propelled WSBk almost into the mainstream in the UK. GP was viewed as boring, dull and predictable in comparison - the 'born agains' could relate to the production machinery as opposed to the vicarious thrill of armchair prototype racing, could ride a 996 out of the showroom. Doohan's dominance had them turning off in droves. Mick's famous response?

"What do you want me to do? slow down?"

The greats always bring something new in my opinion. The King had introduced
dirt derived rear wheel steering perfected by the subsequent masters Rainey, Lawson, Gardner, Schwantz - Mick could do that too, but he added an insane mid corner speed - still lighting up the rear on the exit.

The other thing I'd suggest about Doohan is that he knew how to develop a bike, he knew what he wanted and what worked and woe betide any HRC tech that begged to differ. He was possibly the only HRC rider before or since to vehemently reject factory interference and flights of fancy which is why throughout the 1990s - from the introduction of the big bang the NSR remained fundamentally unchanged in it's concept to his and any successors advantage.

Returning to the qualifying link from Assen that Barry posted, to me this epitomises his approach. To him the Championship was a consequence of winning races which was his ultimate focus which is why he rarely if ever raced for points. He viewed the championship was not the goal - just a No.1 that you put on the front of your bike and can't even see when you race. Which is precisely why, when someone tuns up on a Thursday and throughout subsequent the three days dominates all the practice sessions, qualifying and wins the race, we still refer to it as "Doohan-esque".

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MM may (perhaps quite likely will) surpass him, but I think he is still the guy for HRC, and possibly the reason the likes of Jack Miller as an Aussie got a chance. Perhaps I am being fanciful, but I like to think they saw him as some sort of Australian version of a samurai.

See MV and JKant, we can be far more over the top than we are about Casey Stoner.
 
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I figured it might be an interesting discussion.

He was Valentino Rossi before Valentino Rossi in terms of success, but he receives nowhere near the recall you might expect even though he raced until the spring of 1999.

I missed out on Doohan since I never thought anything of motorcycle racing back then. So I only know what I have read or seen of him in video. I never had a great feel for his ability.

What's the assessment of Mick Doohan for the long time viewers around here? Was his talent up there with another Australian - Casey Stoner? Or was he a guy who benefited from the NSR500 without having to fight with Rainey and Schwantz? There is of course 1992 which should have been his easily were it not for the horror crash.

Well seeing as you're asking an opinion, he used to be very good, now however he's another washed up racer. Was he better than Stoner, thats the most stupid question I have ever heard about a motorbike rider, Stoner isn't fit to lick his boots.
 
I grew up with my parents watching motogp and some of my earliest memories were of Michael doohan

Forgive the lack of in depth detail but I wouldn't have even been a teenager:

1) I remember the serious accident he had only because fairly sure my mum threw the tv remote at the tv haha

2) the time he walked into one of the riders garages and they started arguing

3) he was racing biagi I think it was and it was red flagged yet biaggi kept racing either ignoring the flag or didn't see it and you could tell doohan was like wtf haha

Again lack of details is due to a bad memory and being fairly young at the time, doohan def brings back memories of my parents shouting at the tv every race day haha
 
1) I remember the serious accident he had only because fairly sure my mum threw the tv remote at the tv haha

Which one?

2) the time he walked into one of the riders garages and they started arguing

Which time?

3) he was racing biagi I think it was and it was red flagged yet biaggi kept racing either ignoring the flag or didn't see it and you could tell doohan was like wtf haha

Well remembered - Catalunya
 
The word I would use to describe him is relentless.

He quite possibly had an equipment advantage, but was destroying Rainey and Schwantz in 1992 before the crash at Assen. As Assen demonstrated those things were brutal to ride though and it is hard to speak of equipment advantages when the bike itself was probably the most serious opponent.

The guy who doesn't get the attention he deserves more so than Doohan imo is Lawson and with the benefit of hindsight, like Birdman I wonder if he wasn't the best of them all.

It's that personality thang. Lawson didn't really have much of one. The whole grim loner persona doesn't much endear one with the general public.
 
The whole Doohan/Burgess era was pretty interesting. It is easy to give lots of credit to Honda, unless you realize that Doohan didn't start out on a great Honda. He pushed his Honda further than anyone else could. (Just look at how he wiped up the field after the Americans were out of the way, including other Hondas). He saved, and didn't save, a lot of high-sides to get to those five championships. One tough guy. And without the injury, I bet he would have had seven or eight 'ships.

I really started liking Mick, when I was watching a race, (sorry, I will have to go back and figure out which one), and everyone's tires were going off in the final third of the race. And here comes Mick passing the leaders and running away with the thing. His rear was moving all over the place. His tires were shot, too. Apparently, that did not matter to him. Impressed the hell out of me. I became addicted to the Championship after that, and a fan of Doohan.
 
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Did you see the sweatshirt he is wearing. Obviously, Mick has a thing for Casey and Deefer was just filling in.
 
I'm watching the 96 season highlights vhs :)

Lots of contact, they didn't mind a shunt or two back then.
 
Doohan was an arsey, moaning git, and in my opinion, the best of his time. He destroyed other riders mentally with his winning is all attitude. A great quote of the time was that he could intimidate them by riding his scooter through the paddock. An absolute legend of a man whose bounce back from Assen 92 made him all the more incredible.
 
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Doohan was an arsey, moaning git, and in my opinion, the best of his time. He destroyed other riders mentally with his winning is all attitude. A great quote of the time was that he could intimidate them by riding his scooter through the paddock. An absolute legend of a man whose bounce back from Assen 92 made him all the more incredible.

You are very definitely correct that he moaned with the best of them, mostly after actually winning however.

How is the Harley going, btw?.
 
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