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Let's discuss: Michael Doohan

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I figured it might be an interesting discussion.

He was Valentino Rossi before Valentino Rossi in terms of success, but he receives nowhere near the recall you might expect even though he raced until the spring of 1999.

I missed out on Doohan since I never thought anything of motorcycle racing back then. So I only know what I have read or seen of him in video. I never had a great feel for his ability.

What's the assessment of Mick Doohan for the long time viewers around here? Was his talent up there with another Australian - Casey Stoner? Or was he a guy who benefited from the NSR500 without having to fight with Rainey and Schwantz? There is of course 1992 which should have been his easily were it not for the horror crash.
 
The word I would use to describe him is relentless.

He quite possibly had an equipment advantage, but was destroying Rainey and Schwantz in 1992 before the crash at Assen. As Assen demonstrated those things were brutal to ride though and it is hard to speak of equipment advantages when the bike itself was probably the most serious opponent.

The guy who doesn't get the attention he deserves more so than Doohan imo is Lawson and with the benefit of hindsight, like Birdman I wonder if he wasn't the best of them all.
 
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The word I would use to describe him is relentless.

He quite possibly had an equipment advantage, but was destroying Rainey and Schwantz in 1992 before the crash at Assen. As Assen demonstrated those things were brutal to ride though and it is hard to speak of equipment advantages when the bike itself was probably the most serious opponent.

The guy who doesn't get the attention he deserves more so than Doohan imo is Lawson and with the benefit of hindsight, like Birdman of I wonder if he wasn't the best of them all.

What did he do well in terms of on-track skills? Or was he just an overall balanced rider who was great in all facets of riding? Kind of like how some are great brakers, or carry a lot of corner speed.

Well truth be told, every pre-2001 champion gets little mention these days.
 
What did he do well in terms of on-track skills? Or was he just an overall balanced rider who was great in all facets of riding? Kind of like how some are great brakers, or carry a lot of corner speed.

Well truth be told, every pre-2001 champion gets little mention these days.

Well he was the gp bike rider, in semi- modern times anyway, to whom the term "alien" was first applied, by Carlos Checa iirc, after finishing second to Doohan in a race, his contention being that he had won the race between all the best riders actually from planet earth.

While he was an all round talent as a rider, and renowned for set-up and development abilities, the abiding memory is of him being hard as nails, as going on to win 5 titles on the bounce after going so close to losing a leg demonstrated, to say nothing of actually riding the last 2 races in the year of the leg injury as he was still in contention for the championship despite missing 4 races, losing by 4 points I think after a 12th and a 6th in those races.

He absolutely gave no quarter nor asked for any.
 
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IMO and I say this as a Doohan tragic in so many ways, but for me, he was and remains the best rider/racer I have seen, although as hypocritical as it may sound, I would not describe him as the most talented/gifted on a motorcycle.

I immediately realised how good MD was at the World Superbike Championship held at Oran Park in Sydney in 1988, where he rode the Australian Factory Marlboro Yamaha to a double victory, lapping the reigning world champion not once, but twice in one of the races (that year he competed in 4 WSBK races, won 3). Whilst yes this was on a somewhat home track (Mick was not a NSW native) the way he demolished and demoralised the international field was a sight to behold and I recall that there was a lot of chatter around the time about doors opening.

He then moved to the HRC team and was somewhat third fiddle to Gardner and Lawson but did not produce to much in terms of what was to come as he first had to learn the 500cc machines, having only ridden the RZ500 for team camo, but one could see hunger, desire and drive.

Whilst his career and results is well known, I do feel that he is often overlooked when people mention the likes of Schwantz and Rainey as from my admittedly biased side, he more than had their measure up until the fateful day in Assen which was followed more by the Dutch butcher posing as a doctor.

To try to put this to perspective, I rate Rainey as the second best, but I say that in terms of him being superior to so many others, but I rate Doohan some distance in front (please do allow me my bias) and to watch these two go at it hammer and tongs was something that people who think that we have racing today would drop their jaws when these two went at it (and that does not include the side players).

He asked no quarter, and gave no quarter on the track. He simply did not care who you were as to him, you were not a racer but the enemy for the duration of the race and we would race you hard and by today's standards he would likely be considered somewhat dirty as the infamous post-race video from Eastern Creek would attest.



He was an angry competitor, to him 2nd was not just first loser but may as well have been last placed as he was not here for second.

His manner at times was abrasive, abrupt even such was his drive and he played games well before they became part of the modern legend.

He decided to ride the screamer motor that others could not ride and he dominated once again only to see others then try to ride it, and fail miserably.

He was not perfect by any means as I have been told stories from the track that make the modern day abrasive accusations pale. He was a prick at the track, hated the world and hated the other riders, hated publicity needs of the teams as he was there to ride and that is all he wanted to do, and man could he ride.

He still had the competitiveness post retirement as he ran an exhibition lap one year at the island that was said to be with 10 seconds of pole, and he did it with helmet off on a production bike on road tyres.

Sorry for the ramble but to me, he was Australia's greatest road racer in the last 50 years and I always find discussion interesting surrounding him and riders of that era who I firmly believe would teach the modern racers a lesson, but would not be as media savvy as the modern guys need to be. God I miss those old days.


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I forgot to add that an indication of his mentality was at Jerez one year where Criville led the race on the last lap and the crowd started to invade the circuit. Criville slowed, MD did not and simply raced through the crowd for the win dodging spectators as he went. That day, he wanted a win and took it, some call it lucky, some called it dirty but I call it a winners mentality.

https://vimeo.com/29255001

This includes Mick's take on the issue but covers more than just the race itself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHgrMXLdV4Q

There is also the one lap dash one year at Assen one year where the session was dry but became wet and Simon Crafar had seemingly secured pole (in dry) but somewhat forgot to tell Mick (will try to find the video). On a drying track he produced a a ferocious lap of unbridled drive and he beat Crafar, the conditions making the lap so brutal with Crafar seen to comment '....... awesome man' such was the enormity of the one lap.

This is the only video I can find - https://www.gaskrank.tv/tv/racing/legendaerer-kampf-zwischen-mic-7059.htm

Another video - from official Motogp site - http://www.motogp.com/e0e580b9-75c4-4ead-8a96-e1d9fccf31b1
 
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Excellent Post, Gaz.
Not much to add to that.
Amazing to watch, but not someone I have any desire to talk to.
 
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Great post. My Fave of all time by far.

Enough talent and sort of "end of an era" Aussie macho + hooligan wrapped up in one.

Many folks say he was lucky to come into his stride during a time after it had cooled down, but yes he ran with them.

BTW was just at the not barry sheen International Festival of Speed. Was great to see the legends on the 500's etc. Magoo, Parrish, Ago
 
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I didn't get to meet him, no. JB was hanging around as most of the riders. Ago walked right up next to me and stood there, so I looked at him and said gday. A second later he was mobbed.

Parrish ran off and got into commentary, is he elusive usually?
 
Thinking about Doohan also, he raced hard. I do remember on occasion though he would have such a lead he would showboat on the final lap.
 
I didn't get to meet him, no. JB was hanging around as most of the riders. Ago walked right up next to me and stood there, so I looked at him and said gday. A second later he was mobbed.

Parrish ran off and got into commentary, is he elusive usually?

No - quite the opposite, I was being sarcastic. Sorry.

He's regarded as a bit of a tool in the UK. Bit of a standing joke on here.
 
Awesome post, thanks for writing that up Gaz!

Gives me way more context now with watching any older race with Doohan.

Your post along with BM's and Michael's really hammer home Michael's word "relentless."

I've never seen any rider even today that is as relentless as Doohan was. I guess depending on circumstances you may get it for an individual race...but watching various races and clips this evening it seems like for Doohan, it was EVERY race. I can't even imagine the mental focus and discipline that takes to be at the top of your game for every single grand prix. And hell...it took an accident for him to quit rather than something like him fading off with talent. But racing against him had to be ....... demoralizing as a competitor.
 
My first year of watching motorcycle racing properly was 1994, Doohans first world championship so to me he was like a God, he and Joey were my idols as a young lad. He was one hell of a competitor, determined to destroy all opposition, even when it looked liked he was going to be beat he'd pull a rabbit out of the hat and turn it around. He was no nonsense, no silly little gimmicks just a pure winning machine.
 
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They nearly all seemed like big men back then. Not so much like the skinny young kids that race today
 
Awesome post, thanks for writing that up Gaz!

Gives me way more context now with watching any older race with Doohan.

Your post along with BM's and Michael's really hammer home Michael's word "relentless."

I've never seen any rider even today that is as relentless as Doohan was. I guess depending on circumstances you may get it for an individual race...but watching various races and clips this evening it seems like for Doohan, it was EVERY race. I can't even imagine the mental focus and discipline that takes to be at the top of your game for every single grand prix. And hell...it took an accident for him to quit rather than something like him fading off with talent. But racing against him had to be ....... demoralizing as a competitor.

JPS, if you haven't already, watch how Simon Crafar talks about THAT Assen lap and experience.

The way he describes the 'look of hatred' that he experienced from Mick despite they being on good terms, the 'Mick can be a .......' comment and the like.

All of it gives a good insight into who Mick was at the track.

As I say, I am a Doohan tragic but I also suggest that if you or others have not already done so, research Wayne Rainey as for mine, he was absolutely the same as Doohan in terms of mongrel, attitude, drive, determination and ability (perhaps this is why I rate them both as favourites) which for me, is something that we do not necessarily see displayed today in similar way.

Both were angry angry take no prisoners men at the track, in an era of men are men and way before social media had a presence.

I am sure that Arrib and others will recall other people of similar ilk, but I look at Rainey and Doohan as the pure definition of a racer, and fantastic examples of what is so often forgotten, which is old school hard nosed racers of past eras.
 
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