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found this pretty interesting,if you read it carefully ?
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Laguna Seca.

some pics,you would think Yamaha want win here with these cash investments ?
Laguna pics
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ooost @ Jul 6 2006, 12:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Track experience counts in that section and the Amercians and World Supers guys had it and the 125cc/250cc guys didn't. So everyone who couldn't figure it out complained saying it wasn't safe until someone changed it. It's really sad because what choice does the track have? Realistically, Laguna Seca has a gun to its head with Dorna saying "change it or we leave." From some interviews I've read there are many corners at Mugello that are much more dangerous than Laguna but no changes are made there.

Exactly what I was thinking
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dr Costa @ Jul 6 2006, 02:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>found this pretty interesting,if you read it carefully ?
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Laguna Seca.

some pics,you would think Yamaha want win here with these cash investments ?
Laguna pics

Yamaha just wantin their golden child to win stateside, so they have to cheat. Once again, Yamaha has blind faith in Rossi and bribes Laguna Seca into making the course easier for the doc, instead of realizing "Hey, we got an American double WSBK champ with Laguna experience coming outta his ... in the other side of the pit, why not invest some money in HIM and see if he can beat Hayden?" But no, they`re too stupid for that. Honestly I`m begining to think the biggest Valentiniboppers in the world are the guys that pay his damn salary
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Jul 5 2006, 11:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yamaha just wantin their golden child to win stateside, so they have to cheat. Once again, Yamaha has blind faith in Rossi and bribes Laguna Seca into making the course easier for the doc, instead of realizing "Hey, we got an American double WSBK champ with Laguna experience coming outta his ... in the other side of the pit, why not invest some money in HIM and see if he can beat Hayden?" But no, they`re too stupid for that. Honestly I`m begining to think the biggest Valentiniboppers in the world are the guys that pay his damn salary
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Haha, I wouldn't go so far as to say they're cheating but they're certainly helping Valentino's cause. I will agree with the blind faith statement. They've got a very solid rider in Edwards on the other side of the garage and there are a lot of conspiracy theories out there regarding Yamaha and Edwards and why Edwards has struggled every weekend and suddenly when Rossi gets injured, Edwards is blindingly quick. But then the next week, with Rossi healed, Edwards is nowhere again. Needless to say, once Rossi is gone Yamaha are screwed unless they evaluate and give opportunities to other talent.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ooost @ Jul 7 2006, 12:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Haha, I wouldn't go so far as to say they're cheating but they're certainly helping Valentino's cause. I will agree with the blind faith statement. They've got a very solid rider in Edwards on the other side of the garage and there are a lot of conspiracy theories out there regarding Yamaha and Edwards and why Edwards has struggled every weekend and suddenly when Rossi gets injured, Edwards is blindingly quick. But then the next week, with Rossi healed, Edwards is nowhere again. Needless to say, once Rossi is gone Yamaha are screwed unless they evaluate and give opportunities to other talent.

Edwards fast when Rossi`s injured?!? That is so obvious, and I didn`t notice it! Man I feel stupid
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If CYT were giving Colin Rossi-style help at Assen and it shot him almost to a race win, Imagine what he could do at Laguna! But it won`t happen, because like I said, Yamaha are Valentinioboppers and while Rossi wants a Laguna win, that`s where their energy will go. Colin will just have to get to the podium with his talent and experience like he did last year.
In the CYT Valentinibopper club`s defense, though, They really can`t afford to give Hayden an inch anywhere this year. Colin might be able to conquer Laguna in the name of Yamaha easier than Rossi, but Rossi needs to be up there to keep his championship hopes alive. I`m sure they
`d prefer the title over a win at Laguna
 
Laguna is my fave race to watch and considering i have to get up at 5 in morn to watch it the race better still be damn good despite the changes to the most exciting part of the track!!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ooost @ Jul 6 2006, 09:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Haha, I wouldn't go so far as to say they're cheating but they're certainly helping Valentino's cause. I will agree with the blind faith statement. They've got a very solid rider in Edwards on the other side of the garage and there are a lot of conspiracy theories out there regarding Yamaha and Edwards and why Edwards has struggled every weekend and suddenly when Rossi gets injured, Edwards is blindingly quick. But then the next week, with Rossi healed, Edwards is nowhere again. Needless to say, once Rossi is gone Yamaha are screwed unless they evaluate and give opportunities to other talent.

Don't forget....Rossi didn't look like he needed a whole lot of help last year boys.....
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Jul 8 2006, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Don't forget....Rossi didn't look like he needed a whole lot of help last year boys.....
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He still didnt win, did he, Doc? And last year at Laguna, making the podium wasnt as much fun as it obviously was last weekend. Nicky and Colin are the men to beat at Laguna, and that`s exactly what Rossi wants to do, hence what Yamaha wants to do.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Jul 7 2006, 10:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He still didnt win, did he, Doc? And last year at Laguna, making the podium wasnt as much fun as it obviously was last weekend. Nicky and Colin are the men to beat at Laguna, and that`s exactly what Rossi wants to do, hence what Yamaha wants to do.

A podium isn't bad for a guy that had never set foot at Laguna before.....and last weekend....to be fair there bucko.....he had a broken hand and he started from 12th on the grid.....I'd celebrate just finishing the race, never mind getting 2nd.....also, Rossi was unfamiliar with American crowds.....
What I'm disagreeing with you on is the fact that Yamaha wants to make the track easier for Rossi.....two reasons this isn't making sense.
1. With track experience, and a good start he'll run up front anyway
2. Flattening out the screw makes it easier for the european competition too

Just some food for thought man.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>ROAD RACING - Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca Gets First Test

Be Careful What You Wish For

Doug Chandler was the first motorcycle racer to try the slightly re-worked Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca and his initial impression may not please the MotoGP Rider Safety Commission.

Following last year’s inaugural Red Bull U.S.GP, the commission, whose members included Valentino Rossi, Loris Capirossi, Sete Gibernau, and Kenny Roberts Jr., asked for a number of changes, the most drastic being the flattening of the crest on the run from turn six to the Corkscrew. The track spent over $7 million complying to the riders’ exact wishes, but what they asked for may not be an improvement.

“The thing I think is worse is going up the hill. I wasn’t impressed with that at all,” Chandler said after doing a handful of laps on the Kawasaki ZX-10R Superbike that he’ll ride in the Saturday AMA Superbike Championship round on the GP weekend.

“Before we were kind of down low going up that ridge, and we didn’t crest it or get to that crest until that little kink right before the Corkscrew, so you were kind of protected [from crosswinds]," Chandler said. “So now we come out of six and we’ve got to crest earlier and then a flat run up, so that’s putting us more on the ridge and with the hill moved, I was fighting a side wind. I could not get the bike over to the left side of the track. I was doing good to run mid-track. Because we’re going over that crest early, we’re more on the meat of the power of the bike, it’s wanting to wheelie sooner and we’re still trying to get it pulled back left, and so it’s a constant fight the whole way up the hill. What I’m thinking is if it is windy, you potentially could just cut that whole kink off and run through the dirt and back on the pavement at the top of the Corkscrew and maybe even off. I didn’t like that a bit. I didn’t think that was a very good move.”

Chandler said that eventually they could plant trees to cut the side winds, but that no immediate fix sprang to mind.

“I couldn’t believe how bad it was. We’ve ridden out there in stronger winds than that and for the life of me I couldn’t get over to the left side of the track.”

He also said changing lines made little difference.

“We’ve got that crest sooner now, to where before we had a nice gradual climb to that little dip, so you just run a nice smooth arc, get it back up to the paint and then you’d wheelie over that dip and brake in,” he said. “Now we’re going over the crest way sooner, and the bikes are accelerating…before you’d want that thing to kind of run out of gear for that first corner. This time there’s no way you can do it that way. Trying to pull off the corner, and you’re going over a crest and then it’s wheelying and now you’re right on that ridge and with the crosswind it’s not so good.”

Chandler noticed the greatest improvements in turn one, and in the run-off areas along the run to the Corkscrew and the outside of turn three.

“Turn one I thought was a lot better than what it had been,” he said. “The dip that used to be there, that we always kind of fight, seems like they kind of blended that in really good over the crest. Looking at it, it looks like we might have more camber. Just appearance-wise from what I kind of remembered going around there today. Where it’s really noticeable is going up the hill [to the Corkscrew] on both sides, there’s tons of room. And going into three, they cut that hillside back so there’s a lot of flat area, rather than just the embankment right there on the outside of the entrance of three.”

Overall, he said, it should make for a faster lap, because the completely repaved track offered better grip.

There were a few spots, including the exit of turn nine, that he thought weren’t smooth, but that might have been because the track was slightly dirty and he was off line.

What excited Chandler more than the new track layout was the recent success of his son Jett. Jett won his first race at an Oregon Motorcycle Road Racing Association event at Portland International Raceway two weeks ago, then backed it up with a second Novice class win.

“The second one they had him with 1000s and he come off - he’s pretty good off the line - and went down and just outbroke the two 1000s and just took off,” the doting dad said. “That was good. That’s my other focus is trying to do as many races as he can out here.”

Doug teamed up with his son to finish third overall among 37 teams in a four-hour endurance race.

“What Jett really liked about that place is the trees,” Chandler said. “Everywhere he’s gone has been desolate. He really liked going through the trees.”

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http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=9539

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca was homologated for the Red Bull U.S. Grand Prix on Thursday morning, one of several positive signs for the most prestigious motorcycle race in America.
http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=9538
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Jul 8 2006, 03:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>A podium isn't bad for a guy that had never set foot at Laguna before.....and last weekend....to be fair there bucko.....he had a broken hand and he started from 12th on the grid.....I'd celebrate just finishing the race, never mind getting 2nd.....also, Rossi was unfamiliar with American crowds.....
What I'm disagreeing with you on is the fact that Yamaha wants to make the track easier for Rossi.....two reasons this isn't making sense.
1. With track experience, and a good start he'll run up front anyway
2. Flattening out the screw makes it easier for the european competition too

Just some food for thought man.
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You`re right, now that he`s got a few hours of Laguna track time under his belt, he probably dosen`t need the help Yamaha are giving him. But that dosen`t stop them from obviously giving it to him anyway
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And while flattening it does make it easier for the other Euros, they`re not Rossi. I think you`ll agree that he`s "a cut above the rest". Who, other than the yanks and the other guys who know Laguna, will be able to take the corkscrew faster than Rossi? Melandri? He came off there last year. Pedrosa or Capriex? Being small guys won`t help them. Stoner? you said yourself he`ll probably take it like Evil Kenival. Cardoso? .....
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You put the riders on a level playing field and Rossi still has the advantage of his talent. So if they can make the entry to the corkscrew more of a level playing feild, it gives the doc more of an advantage, even if he dosen`t need it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capirex @ Jul 8 2006, 06:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
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http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=9539
http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=9538

Typical
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Jul 8 2006, 05:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You`re right, now that he`s got a few hours of Laguna track time under his belt, he probably dosen`t need the help Yamaha are giving him. But that dosen`t stop them from obviously giving it to him anyway
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And while flattening it does make it easier for the other Euros, they`re not Rossi. I think you`ll agree that he`s "a cut above the rest". Who, other than the yanks and the other guys who know Laguna, will be able to take the corkscrew faster than Rossi? Melandri? He came off there last year. Pedrosa or Capriex? Being small guys won`t help them. Stoner? you said yourself he`ll probably take it like Evil Kenival. Cardoso? .....
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You put the riders on a level playing field and Rossi still has the advantage of his talent. So if they can make the entry to the corkscrew more of a level playing feild, it gives the doc more of an advantage, even if he dosen`t need it.
Typical
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Ya I got ya.....actually now that I think about it....Nicky, Colin, Hopper and KRjr might actually do worse than usual...because they're used to a certain line from left to right/blind....being able to see the turn might help or hurt.....depends on how quick they can adapt.....
Ya...and that's why I like Stoner he's such a kamakaze.....he'll end up in the ...... parking lot smashing into a hotdog stand.....
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Way to go Dorna and Laguna Seca. We make all these changes because "it's safer" and now the guy who owned Laguna Seca before anyone knew who the Bostroms were says the biggest change is ......
 
Indeed sad, but Its all about the safety, Anyway are there any other tracks out there that could be brought up to standard? and be just as challenging to the Riders?

The F1 track at Indy would be pretty good but I guess the wall at the oval section of the track would be too dangerous.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Doc 79 @ Jul 9 2006, 12:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>he'll end up in the ...... parking lot smashing into a hotdog stand.....
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And still be saying he`s faster than Pedrosa and smarter than Rossi
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ooost @ Jul 9 2006, 02:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Way to go Dorna and Laguna Seca. We make all these changes because "it's safer" and now the guy who owned Laguna Seca before anyone knew who the Bostroms were says the biggest change is ......

The wind is the big theing right now, it sounds really bad. Can they put up a wall or somthing? He said somthing about growing trees, can they transplant some? It`s too late to change it back, but theres gotta be somthing they can do. Or will it be easier for GP bikes because theyre moving faster? I guess the best we can hope for is a really calm day
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Do you think the changes will be big enough for the Americans to lose the advantage they held? Have I understood everything right- it is no longer a blind corner at the top of the corkscrew?
 
Before you all start yelling about yamaha maybe you should read the article. Yamaha sponsored the track $2 mill a year ago to allow the upgrades to enable a race there last year. As far as I know those changes had little or nothing to do with the track layout itself. They did that because it was their aniversary and wanted the exposure in USA. Of cource they also wanted the win they never got.

Now I enjoy my home track, tight, really bad surface and strange banking through some turns, bumps every where. I have a huge advantage over riders not knowing the track. It's good for me, but it is still a really shity track.
I'm not saying LC is shity but you guys sure seem to think the american riders deserve the upper hand by extencive track knowledge. IMHO a track that need such an extencive knowledge is never a good track for a series like this.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jul 9 2006, 09:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Before you all start yelling about yamaha maybe you should read the article. Yamaha sponsored the track $2 mill a year ago to allow the upgrades to enable a race there last year. As far as I know those changes had little or nothing to do with the track layout itself. They did that because it was their aniversary and wanted the exposure in USA. Of cource they also wanted the win they never got.

Now I enjoy my home track, tight, really bad surface and strange banking through some turns, bumps every where. I have a huge advantage over riders not knowing the track. It's good for me, but it is still a really shity track.
I'm not saying LC is shity but you guys sure seem to think the american riders deserve the upper hand by extencive track knowledge. IMHO a track that need such an extencive knowledge is never a good track for a series like this.

Good points, mate. I guess we`re just wearing the rose tinted glasses about Nicky and Colin at Laguna.
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But the latest problem is that the altering of the corscrew has been messed up. Big time. Did you read the article? Now that they got rid of the hill, wind has become a problem. A really big problem, and there`s not much time left to do anything about it
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jul 9 2006, 05:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Before you all start yelling about yamaha maybe you should read the article. Yamaha sponsored the track $2 mill a year ago to allow the upgrades to enable a race there last year. As far as I know those changes had little or nothing to do with the track layout itself. They did that because it was their aniversary and wanted the exposure in USA. Of cource they also wanted the win they never got.

I'm not saying LC is shity but you guys sure seem to think the american riders deserve the upper hand by extencive track knowledge. IMHO a track that need such an extencive knowledge is never a good track for a series like this.
There were no alterations to the track in last year's rennovations by Yamaha, only additional runoff room was added.

The thing of it is, obviously track knowledge is a big advantage at Laguna Seca, or any track for that matter, but it's not a necessity. Look at Rossi. When they go to Misano next year, track knowledge will come into play again with any remaining WSB guys and whatever Europeans have raced it at some point in their careers. I expect those who have ridden it to do well and I expect those who haven't to adjust and do the best they can.
 
I think the changes will hurt the american riders quite a lot. I wonder if Melandri will continue to complain at this year's event?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kentucky Kid @ Jul 10 2006, 12:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think the changes will hurt the american riders quite a lot. I wonder if Melandri will continue to complain at this year's event?

It might KK.....but Hayden has ridden that track since dirt was invented....he'll be ok.....the Euros will be tougher to stay in front of though....
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