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Kawasaki Leads Honda + Suzuki In AMA Pro Racing Revolt

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Nov 22 2008, 08:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=35052

This is nothing but a pissing contest between a bunch of old men with prostate trouble.The factory's like ....... with Edmondson and he likes lying to the factory's.This dislike and mistrust between the 2 go way back.Its also funny to watch which news supplier is on who's side.RRW is a DMG tool and the way they present their stories is obvious.When Superbike Planet releases their take on this,it will have a Factory slant to it.Then you have Yamaha,they must think they have something with the new bikes and new riders,they are in, no matter who does what.I wonder if this wont come back and bite them in the ... someday for turning on the the other 3.
 
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This has become comic relief
 
Let the AMA die for a year, and it will get sorted out back to being a fixed game for Yoshi to win...
 
No, please dear god, just let the amadmgtaxicab racing .... just die. Next season is a fitting final for what ama has always tried to be, a Harley owners good boy club. They are doing there best to get 1200cc Briggs and Strattons competitive against modern machinery. If They can't get them up to speed 2010 Daytona will be 450 singles or a harley.

Good riddance, what ever comes next can't be worse.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Loose Rod @ Nov 23 2008, 06:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No, please dear god, just let the amadmgtaxicab racing .... just die. Next season is a fitting final for what ama has always tried to be, a Harley owners good boy club. They are doing there best to get 1200cc Briggs and Strattons competitive against modern machinery. If They can't get them up to speed 2010 Daytona will be 450 singles or a harley.

Good riddance, what ever comes next can't be worse.

What has Kawasaki's panties in a bunch is the DMG has mandated a stock gas tank for Superbike instead of a custom tank that held enough fuel to go the 65 miles.The races are now being shortened to 50 miles and the stock tank holds enough fuel for that distance.The problem is,Kawasaki designed their bike with the custom fuel tank so as to have fuel lower for mass centralization for handling.That and the 17" wheel has everybody pissed because apparently that .... Head Edmondson told them one thing and did another.Here is another issue im sure the japs and the italians are going to have a problem with.You could tell by reading the rules what DMG's vision is, or was.They wanted the 600's as the premier series because it appears they are going to tilt that series in Buell's favor if they can.

The DMG/AMA released the latest version of their rules package for American Superbike, Daytona Sport Bike and Supersport last Thursday night, in turn confirming that the make up for the Daytona Sport Bike and Supersport classes may be the oddest looking "middleweight" grid in history. 1100cc liquid-cooled, four-valve V-Twins will legally race against the top 600s in both the Daytona Sport Bike and Supersport classes.

The newly released rules list as homologated machinery for both classes: Aprilia RSV, BMW HP2 Sport, Buell 1125R, Ducati 848, Honda CBR600RR, Kawasaki Ninja ZX-6R, KTM Super Duke, Suzuki GSX-R600, Triumph Daytona 675, Yamaha YZF-R6.

Interestingly, Ducati is limited to 848cc while Buell and other twins are 1100cc or better.

It's been rumored for months that both former XBRR rider Jeremy McWilliams and Australian Garry McCoy will race Buells in '09 DMG/AMA action.

Dyno numbers are apples and oranges in the best of circumstances. That said, the following numbers come from PR sources and an independent dyno facility:

'08 Buell 1125R: 146 horsepower, 82 foot pounds of torque

'08 Honda CBR600RR: 105 horsepower, 46 foot pounds of torque

Even if the dyno numbers for the Buell were taken at the crankshaft and the Honda's from the rear wheel, there would still seem to be a rather wide difference between the two in terms of power.

The BMW HP2 Sport (1170cc) is rated at 130 horsepower, 85 foot pounds of torque.

DMG will be striving to make the Sport Bike and Supersport grids as equitable as possible. How this parity is accomplished with 130-140 horsepower motorcycles racing against 600s making dramatically less power may be interesting, to say the least, to watch.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Loose Rod @ Nov 23 2008, 06:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No, please dear god, just let the amadmgtaxicab racing .... just die. Next season is a fitting final for what ama has always tried to be, a Harley owners good boy club. They are doing there best to get 1200cc Briggs and Strattons competitive against modern machinery. If They can't get them up to speed 2010 Daytona will be 450 singles or a harley.

Good riddance, what ever comes next can't be worse.

What has Kawasaki's panties in a bunch is the DMG has mandated a stock gas tank for Superbike instead of a custom tank that held enough fuel to go the 65 miles.The races are now being shortened to 50 miles and the stock tank holds enough fuel for that distance.The problem is,Kawasaki designed their bike with the custom fuel tank so as to have fuel lower for mass centralization for handling.That and the 17" wheel has everybody pissed because apparently that .... Head Edmondson told them one thing and did another.Here is another issue im sure the japs and the italians are going to have a problem with.You could tell by reading the rules what DMG's vision is, or was.They wanted the 600's as the premier series because it appears they are going to tilt that series in Buell's favor if they can.

The DMG/AMA released the latest version of their rules package for American Superbike, Daytona Sport Bike and Supersport last Thursday night, in turn confirming that the make up for the Daytona Sport Bike and Supersport classes may be the oddest looking "middleweight" grid in history. 1100cc liquid-cooled, four-valve V-Twins will legally race against the top 600s in both the Daytona Sport Bike and Supersport classes.

The newly released rules list as homologated machinery for both classes: Aprilia RSV, BMW HP2 Sport, Buell 1125R, Ducati 848, Honda CBR600RR, Kawasaki Ninja ZX-6R, KTM Super Duke, Suzuki GSX-R600, Triumph Daytona 675, Yamaha YZF-R6.

Interestingly, Ducati is limited to 848cc while Buell and other twins are 1100cc or better.

It's been rumored for months that both former XBRR rider Jeremy McWilliams and Australian Garry McCoy will race Buells in '09 DMG/AMA action.

Dyno numbers are apples and oranges in the best of circumstances. That said, the following numbers come from PR sources and an independent dyno facility:

'08 Buell 1125R: 146 horsepower, 82 foot pounds of torque

'08 Honda CBR600RR: 105 horsepower, 46 foot pounds of torque

Even if the dyno numbers for the Buell were taken at the crankshaft and the Honda's from the rear wheel, there would still seem to be a rather wide difference between the two in terms of power.

The BMW HP2 Sport (1170cc) is rated at 130 horsepower, 85 foot pounds of torque.

DMG will be striving to make the Sport Bike and Supersport grids as equitable as possible. How this parity is accomplished with 130-140 horsepower motorcycles racing against 600s making dramatically less power may be interesting, to say the least, to watch.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Loose Rod @ Nov 23 2008, 06:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No, please dear god, just let the amadmgtaxicab racing .... just die. Next season is a fitting final for what ama has always tried to be, a Harley owners good boy club. They are doing there best to get 1200cc Briggs and Strattons competitive against modern machinery. If They can't get them up to speed 2010 Daytona will be 450 singles or a harley.

Good riddance, what ever comes next can't be worse.

What has Kawasaki's panties in a bunch is the DMG has mandated a stock gas tank for Superbike instead of a custom tank that held enough fuel to go the 65 miles.The races are now being shortened to 50 miles and the stock tank holds enough fuel for that distance.The problem is,Kawasaki designed their bike with the custom fuel tank so as to have fuel lower for mass centralization for handling.That and the 17" wheel has everybody pissed because apparently that .... Head Edmondson told them one thing and did another.Here is another issue im sure the japs and the italians are going to have a problem with.You could tell by reading the rules what DMG's vision is, or was.They wanted the 600's as the premier series because it appears they are going to tilt that series in Buell's favor if they can.

The DMG/AMA released the latest version of their rules package for American Superbike, Daytona Sport Bike and Supersport last Thursday night, in turn confirming that the make up for the Daytona Sport Bike and Supersport classes may be the oddest looking "middleweight" grid in history. 1100cc liquid-cooled, four-valve V-Twins will legally race against the top 600s in both the Daytona Sport Bike and Supersport classes.

The newly released rules list as homologated machinery for both classes: Aprilia RSV, BMW HP2 Sport, Buell 1125R, Ducati 848, Honda CBR600RR, Kawasaki Ninja ZX-6R, KTM Super Duke, Suzuki GSX-R600, Triumph Daytona 675, Yamaha YZF-R6.

Interestingly, Ducati is limited to 848cc while Buell and other twins are 1100cc or better.

It's been rumored for months that both former XBRR rider Jeremy McWilliams and Australian Garry McCoy will race Buells in '09 DMG/AMA action.

Dyno numbers are apples and oranges in the best of circumstances. That said, the following numbers come from PR sources and an independent dyno facility:

'08 Buell 1125R: 146 horsepower, 82 foot pounds of torque

'08 Honda CBR600RR: 105 horsepower, 46 foot pounds of torque

Even if the dyno numbers for the Buell were taken at the crankshaft and the Honda's from the rear wheel, there would still seem to be a rather wide difference between the two in terms of power.

The BMW HP2 Sport (1170cc) is rated at 130 horsepower, 85 foot pounds of torque.

DMG will be striving to make the Sport Bike and Supersport grids as equitable as possible. How this parity is accomplished with 130-140 horsepower motorcycles racing against 600s making dramatically less power may be interesting, to say the least, to watch.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Loose Rod @ Nov 23 2008, 06:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No, please dear god, just let the amadmgtaxicab racing .... just die. Next season is a fitting final for what ama has always tried to be, a Harley owners good boy club. They are doing there best to get 1200cc Briggs and Strattons competitive against modern machinery. If They can't get them up to speed 2010 Daytona will be 450 singles or a harley.

Good riddance, what ever comes next can't be worse.

What has Kawasaki's panties in a bunch is the DMG has mandated a stock gas tank for Superbike instead of a custom tank that held enough fuel to go the 65 miles.The races are now being shortened to 50 miles and the stock tank holds enough fuel for that distance.The problem is,Kawasaki designed their bike with the custom fuel tank so as to have fuel lower for mass centralization for handling.That and the 17" wheel has everybody pissed because apparently that .... Head Edmondson told them one thing and did another.Here is another issue im sure the japs and the italians are going to have a problem with.You could tell by reading the rules what DMG's vision is, or was.They wanted the 600's as the premier series because it appears they are going to tilt that series in Buell's favor if they can.

The DMG/AMA released the latest version of their rules package for American Superbike, Daytona Sport Bike and Supersport last Thursday night, in turn confirming that the make up for the Daytona Sport Bike and Supersport classes may be the oddest looking "middleweight" grid in history. 1100cc liquid-cooled, four-valve V-Twins will legally race against the top 600s in both the Daytona Sport Bike and Supersport classes.

The newly released rules list as homologated machinery for both classes: Aprilia RSV, BMW HP2 Sport, Buell 1125R, Ducati 848, Honda CBR600RR, Kawasaki Ninja ZX-6R, KTM Super Duke, Suzuki GSX-R600, Triumph Daytona 675, Yamaha YZF-R6.

Interestingly, Ducati is limited to 848cc while Buell and other twins are 1100cc or better.

It's been rumored for months that both former XBRR rider Jeremy McWilliams and Australian Garry McCoy will race Buells in '09 DMG/AMA action.

Dyno numbers are apples and oranges in the best of circumstances. That said, the following numbers come from PR sources and an independent dyno facility:

'08 Buell 1125R: 146 horsepower, 82 foot pounds of torque

'08 Honda CBR600RR: 105 horsepower, 46 foot pounds of torque

Even if the dyno numbers for the Buell were taken at the crankshaft and the Honda's from the rear wheel, there would still seem to be a rather wide difference between the two in terms of power.

The BMW HP2 Sport (1170cc) is rated at 130 horsepower, 85 foot pounds of torque.

DMG will be striving to make the Sport Bike and Supersport grids as equitable as possible. How this parity is accomplished with 130-140 horsepower motorcycles racing against 600s making dramatically less power may be interesting, to say the least, to watch.
 
Someone out there feel free to zap 3 of the 4 posts above.POS computer froze up and i tossed the mouse against the wall.Must have worked huh
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The latest news from 'Soup is that American Suzuki is out for 2009 and will buy out Mladin's contract. I assume that they will do the same for Tommy Hayden. It'll be interesting what this does to the other manufacturers and what Jordan does.
 
Why am I reading conspiracy claims at a time when there is no reason to believe conspiracy?

It makes sense that DMG would want greater participation from national motorcycle producers, but it doesn't make sense that DMG would impair a multi-million dollar investment by intentionally sleighting the companies that have carried the series for the last 20 years.

If you actually read the article in its entirety, you'll find the motives behind reducing displacement. The AMA want to reduce speeds temporarily b/c track owners cannot afford to make expensive alterations for a tiny motorcycle series that generates little revenue. Further modification will be required without a reduction in displacement b/c the AMA needs to run in the rain to keep the event sponsors and corporate customers happy.

It is a minor sacrifice to make at a time when the series is slowly bleeding to death. I think you'll remember the AMA even tried to throw the Japanese manufacturers a bone by allowing them to run 750's if they were so inclined. With 750s in the mix, the Japanese could push higher margin products without breaching the peak power restrictions.

There is no conspiracy. The AMA is simply a bad national series with an even worse business model. The American distributors are perfectly content to loot the series of what little it has left so Edmonson has gone over their heads, directly to the Japanese motherships. That's what this is really all about. The distributors are furious that Edmonson has gone over their heads.
 
Like they say, "It's the economy stupid." http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=35067

Looks like Suzuki won't be dominating any USA based series this year. More detritus of Bush-onomics. What this means to the Suzuki riders in Moto GP is pretty clear - another dismal year.

And Mladin without a factory ride? And people thought he was ill-tempered before.
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Mayhaps this is Yamaha's year or Honda will again step up to the plate with a more competitive effort. Methinks it's going to be a weird year for Superbike in the USA.