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Jorge Martin getting cockier?

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He has stated (unless the article is taking something out of context) that:

Martin: Beating Marquez in 2024 will make me one of the best in MotoGP

"It will be very interesting. For me, I think it's a very good opportunity, because at the end I have the opportunity to beat one of the best in history, or the best.


“Then, if I manage to beat him, I will consider myself as one of the best riders in history too.”
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Surely you have to win a title to be considered one of the best in history? By that assumption, Vinales is one of the greatest in history too because he beat Rossi a few times as a team mate. Likewise, Morbidelli, Quartararo can be considered the same as they beat Rossi when all were on Yamahas.

I like Martin, but finding it harder to like his comments.
 
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I like Martin, but finding it harder to like his comments.
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I've come to believe...maybe rightly or wrongly...that comments & context from these guys get a bit twisted through translation as English is not their first language. Then again, these guys are wired differently and that bravado is part of it. They are a different breed. 2023 saw me become a bit of a Jorge fan, frustrating as it was in the end.
 
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This is not him "getting" cockier, he was always like that if you've followed his statements to the press. Maybe it's a facade to keep him self-motivated, who knows, but he's always aimed high in his sights when speaking publicly.
 
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It's difficult to say how much is lost in translation or perhaps intentionally twisted for clickbait. The riders also have PR people whispering in their ears, and they have their own personal agendas.

It's easy to take umbrage with ideas and thoughts floated in press articles, but I've tried to resist associating them with the riders, since it's nearly impossible to know what PR whisperer or headline twister is the actual source of the narrative presented.

Is it absurd for Jorge to be considered one of the all-time greats, if he is able to score more points than Marquez? Yes.

Is Martin the guy pushing this idea? or is it his sports psychologist? or Dorna's PR people who want to establish continuity of talent as Marquez begins to fade away? or is this a though provided by Martin based upon a media prompt that has been concealed to remove all context? Who knows.

If a rider says something 3-4 times, I'm inclined to attribute the thought to the rider. Otherwise, I just let it linger in obscurity.
 
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mylexicon said:
It's difficult to say how much is lost in translation or perhaps intentionally twisted for clickbait. The riders also have PR people whispering in their ears, and they have their own personal agendas.

It's easy to take umbrage with ideas and thoughts floated in press articles, but I've tried to resist associating them with the riders, since it's nearly impossible to know what PR whisperer or headline twister is the actual source of the narrative presented.

Is it absurd for Jorge to be considered one of the all-time greats, if he is able to score more points than Marquez? Yes.

Is Martin the guy pushing this idea? or is it his sports psychologist? or Dorna's PR people who want to establish continuity of talent as Marquez begins to fade away? or is this a though provided by Martin based upon a media prompt that has been concealed to remove all context? Who knows.

If a rider says something 3-4 times, I'm inclined to attribute the thought to the rider. Otherwise, I just let it linger in obscurity.
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I agree.

Whoever came up with it is using flawed logic rather obviously though. I don’t like Valentino much, but rate him as an all great rider as everyone must, but based on the first years of his premier class rather than the last 12 or so.
 
It sounds like beating MM would be an achievement rather than an ego trip.

With Martin coming runner up in 2023 the only way up is to win in 2024 however having MM on an almost identical bike complicates that logic
 
Take it with a pinch of salt. All of them must have enormous egos - just to have got where they are, they needed to believe they were the best.
Some is lost in translation, much is click bait and if he is asked "how will you feel if you beat marc marquez next year?" he will almost certainly say "I will be the best in the world"
Fair enough, tbh
 
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Martin makes these sorts of comments before, typically tongue in cheek. He is confident, no doubt and certainly all riled up to beat any and everyone, which is good.
 
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Very difficult, if not impossible to find elite athletes without an ego. Some may only have an ego on the field or during practice, some may have theirs turned up to 10 24/7. There is a difference between having a big ego and being a ...., though sometimes they do go hand in hand. Leo Messi for example seems to be a humble, down to earth person in all aspects of his life, but when he has been on the pitch he has shown an ego, in not only the things he has said, which is all that gets talked about by the media concerning ego, but in the way he pays. You don't nutmeg guys one after the other without an ego driving you, telling you that you can do it.
 
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#22 said:
He has stated (unless the article is taking something out of context) that:

Martin: Beating Marquez in 2024 will make me one of the best in MotoGP


Surely you have to win a title to be considered one of the best in history? By that assumption, Vinales is one of the greatest in history too because he beat Rossi a few times as a team mate. Likewise, Morbidelli, Quartararo can be considered the same as they beat Rossi when all were on Yamahas.

I like Martin, but finding it harder to like his comments.
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I am absolutely there with you on your comment.
Saying about him, what about Pedro, sat next to Marc everyone complimented him today, but he has this arrogance about him, I really find hard to stomach.
No one doubts his talent but he thinks he has won already championships in motor gp and everyone before him don't count.
Today in the Portugal interview, i thought Fermin came across a lot better, i also say there won't be much in-between them, tbh i think Fermin will be better of the two eventually.
Much has changed in motor gp, there is a bigger pool if special top riders, it won't be as easy.
Yes i qm totally agree with you about Jorge Martin 👌🤝👍
 
He sort of reminds me of Andrea Iannone, always a bit arrogant, cocky, but not bad enough to hate him. Once in the paddock, he was yelling at one of his helpers, while not paying attention he turned an ran right into me (I may have spilled some of my beverage on him), he looked at me and then yelled at his helper even more. This of course occurred during his "torpedo" phase.

Riders need an attitude, they can even be the "bad boy", but they have to do so in a tasteful manor, or fans will turn on them.
 
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Yeah, Martin's's cocky. But as the comments go, so what? It's his deal. None of that stuff bothers me. So far, he's doing the job on the track. But it's going to be a long season. Last year, he lost the plot at the end. Fair enough, some greats have as well at times. I'm thinking he said that stuff kind of tongue in cheek, making the most of the air time? Surely he cannot be really serious with the results he has had so far. Good but not absolutely best in the world fantastic.

It's going to be fun to watch the sparring among the new and newer riders. Bring it on!
 
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He's just being like that as he has always believed that he should have got the factory ride, not once but twice now instead of Enea.
With Marc in the mix and Fermin coming next year too. I don't know if Ducati would chance him, he is reasonably safe, but he can be a bit reckless at times, like the last race last season i think it was when he ran into Marc, trying to make up for an earlier mistake when he nearly run into the back of Bagnaia i think it was.
Should have sat Jorge and Pedro together and Marc and Fermin on the other side at the interview today 😁.
Like Bern says it will be fun seeing this season unfold.
I wonder if they would put Marc in the factory seat with Bagnai.
They haven't ruled it out.
But early days yet, see how it looks about half way.
Looking forward to watching them at that roller coaster, unless you have been there or ridden it, it is steeper than it looks on TV.
Mad circuit, not easy to learn.
But for them they took to it easy, but dangerous, and i wonder how long they will keep running there as they have had some bad crashes there.
Let's hope they are all safe for the three days .
 
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He wasn't so cocky today.
This season is going to be very entertaining.
With the Beast and Marc and Jack in front of him, and if he wants the seat of the Beast, with things starting to change , especially with Marc and the Enea improving, it is early days and we will see tomorrow how he qualifies and if he wins the sprint.
I am pleased for Enea and Marc, both been badly injured, and it's so nice to see them coming back to what they once were, maybe it is only a start, but both are being cautious i believe and you don't want to pick up an injury so soon into the season.
What Marc is doing adapting to the Ducati, is short miraculous, I think they were saying it is his tenth day on the bike.
Fight for the factory seat may be harder than Jorge thought.
Marc on a 23 bike too.
He is enjoying himself again, even laughed about his fall. Enea looked happier too.
 
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Yes, you can see that MM absolutely loves racing. Same as Valentino, whatever I may have disliked about him otherwise I have no doubt he also absolutely loved the sport of GP bike racing

For Stoner of whom I was an even bigger fan than I am of MM it was him against the track and finding the fastest possible way around a given track on whatever bike he was riding, other riders were more or less a distraction from his purpose, and he loathed the off track circus which the sport also involved.
 
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Jorge, Fabio, Zarco and Aleix are my least favorite riders for their attitudes.
Jorge is gonna need a bigger helmet if he leads the standings for more than a few weeks.
 
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Jorge, Fabio, Zarco and Aleix are my least favorite riders for their attitudes.
Jorge is gonna need a bigger helmet if he leads the standings for more than a few weeks.
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He is going very well on a satellite team. He is entitled to believe in his talent and I am glad he does. He has speed.
 
I’m glad his old friend Bagnaia has speed professionalism and class.
What team would want to add his toxicity if they’re already getting results?
 

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