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JiR Honda to part ways at end of season

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JiR Honda to part ways at end of season
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By David Wright Friday, September 26th 2008, 03:14 GMT

JiR will part ways with Honda at the end of the season, after Honda chose not to accept JiR's MotoGP plans for the 2009 season, and will review the team's future, the team announced today.
The JiR team entered MotoGP in 2003 with Honda bikes, and has used them every season so far in the premier class, recording their strongest season in recent history with Andrea Dovizioso this year, just trailing the two-bike Honda team run by Gresini.
"It is now time to turn the page because I have a different vision and projects and it's the moment to close the chapter of our important collaboration with Honda Racing Corporation, which has been full of sporting and commercial success," said Gianluca Montiron, JiR's chief executive officer.
Honda Racing Corporation's decision has left Monitron looking for a new partner to continue in MotoGP, as well as considering whether the team should continue in the sport to try to achieve the success he is looking for: "This was a project which was solid and successful both commercially and sportively.
"However, nowadays for private teams there is no chance of winning races, and my target is to repeat the successes of the past, therefore I feel it is better for players such as us to quit rather than to simply make up the numbers on the grid.
"We have come to the time to finally turn the page and look forward to new projects, new motivation and a new manufacturer in which we can believe."

Wouldn’t it be a great pity if they decided to quit. Did Honda see them as a threat to cause this? What are their options now for a new partner? Ducati? Yamaha?
Kawasaki and Suzki might be possible but won’t they then just be making up the numbers of the grid, can’t see them taking a step backwards, so could this be the end of them then. Hell Moto GP doesn’t need this.
 
Problems is the split between Montiron and Team Scot and the fact there was only one RCV available.

Scot at least had a rider and sponsors while JiR had none.

It is said Montiron will be running Aprilia's squad in WSBK.
 
Hey I've just read Montiron has been trying everything he could these last days to sign Spies...

That would have been great
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yago @ Sep 26 2008, 03:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Problems is the split between Montiron and Team Scot and the fact there was only one RCV available.
Scot at least had a rider and sponsors while JiR had none.

It is said Montiron will be running Aprilia's squad in WSBK.

You’re right of course. Nothing to do with Honda. Guess I was a bit quick off the mark.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Goldwing @ Sep 26 2008, 09:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>nowadays for private teams there is no chance of winning races, and my target is to repeat the successes of the past, therefore I feel it is better for players such as us to quit rather than to simply make up the numbers on the grid.
That says it all. The grid is getting less and less.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mjpartyboy @ Sep 26 2008, 11:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That says it all. The grid is getting less and less.
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[rant] and the reasons why the satellite teams are falling is painfully obvious too. sponsors wont stump up the $'s if their team cannot win a race or 2 and when was the last time a non-factory bike was on the top step of the podium?
Montiron knows its not happening in with the current formula and so i cant blame him for dropping out. i am very sad to see anyone go but not surprised at all.
nice one honda! between you and dorna, you have managed to prune the grid right down. is that how you plan to win? make it so costly to race in moto gp that only a repsol honda stands a chance of rolling up to the start line?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Sep 26 2008, 12:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>nice one honda!

Why? They've kept the same supply... the bike due to Montiron is just going to Team Scot instead, why blame Honda?

And things don't look so bad, we'll get a third Kawasaki and a fifth Ducati if things go according to plan
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mjpartyboy @ Sep 26 2008, 11:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That says it all. The grid is getting less and less.
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How is the grid getting smaller? The teams split and Scott got the bike, that's all. I say good riddance to bad rubbish. Montiron ran a crap team and (to quote Motogpmatters) ruined the careers of both Tamada and Nakano. Aprilla better steer well clear of him.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yago @ Sep 26 2008, 12:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How did he ruin Tamada career? He had the best part of it in Montiron's squad.

Tamada's success came with Sito Pons when he was Biaggi's teammate. Pons ran the best satellite team (better than Gresini) before he was shafted by Honda.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yago @ Sep 26 2008, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why? They've kept the same supply... the bike due to Montiron is just going to Team Scot instead, why blame Honda?

And things don't look so bad, we'll get a third Kawasaki and a fifth Ducati if things go according to plan
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i blame honda because of..

1. they are the main bike supplier to the moto gp grid. with this comes the added leverage against dorna etc that they can threaten to pull out of moto gp and virtually sink the series in one hit. a bit like the FGSports/ducati situation in WSB.

2. honda were the main proponents of the change to 800cc. this has pushed costs of running a team sky-high and has accounted for TeamKR, not to mention kawa and suzook taking much longer to field another/more bikes. if it has stayed at 990cc, yes the costs would still be high but there would have been a lot less money spent developing new engines and therefore more money to field more bikes.

3. hondas vision of HRC GP has resulted in a lack of exciting racing for the last 2 years and with it, the chance for any satellite to win a race, never mind fight for the championship. as recently as 2006, there were non-factory bikes winning races, scince 2007, not one win for them...

so, thats why i blame honda and yes, i am aware that the other manufacturers have a hand in it too, its just that honda has the biggest hand.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Reel Nauti @ Sep 26 2008, 12:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Montiron ran a crap team and (to quote Motogpmatters) ruined the careers of both Tamada and Nakano. Aprilla better steer well clear of him.

nakano is only marginally better this year compared to last year. considering he is on the tyres of choice now, IMO michelin ...... tamada and nakanos careers, not montiron.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Sep 26 2008, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i blame honda because of..

3. hondas vision of HRC GP has resulted in a lack of exciting racing for the last 2 years and with it, the chance for any satellite to win a race, never mind fight for the championship. as recently as 2006, there were non-factory bikes winning races, scince 2007, not one win for them...

It's funny you say that because yesterday I watched the 2003 Brazilian GP on ESPN Classic and to be honest it was boorrrrring. After Rossi had headfcuked Giveupnau, the only thing that happened was Tamada coming through from about 10th to finish on his first podium. Of course the next year Tamada smoked everyone and won the race. Remember when Bridgestones were only good in hot weather?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Sep 26 2008, 12:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>nakano is only marginally better this year compared to last year. considering he is on the tyres of choice now, IMO michelin ...... tamada and nakanos careers, not montiron.

You may have a point there. But how come JIR became SO MUCH BETTER when Scott joined them? It wasn't just Dovisiozo.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Reel Nauti @ Sep 26 2008, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's funny you say that because yesterday I watched the 2003 Brazilian GP on ESPN Classic and to be honest it was boorrrrring. After Rossi had headfcuked Giveupnau, the only thing that happened was Tamada coming through from about 10th to finish on his first podium. Of course the next year Tamada smoked everyone and won the race. Remember when Bridgestones were only good in hot weather?

i remember when bridgestones were the ...... rubber and only tamada was capable of using them. randy and toby/jules were constantly amazed by how much lean angle he used right through the race. But all the front runners were on michelins.
i also remember that the odd race was boring and most of them were exciting. seems the moto gp world is now inverted and most races are boring with the odd exciting one.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Sep 26 2008, 01:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i remember when bridgestones were the ...... rubber and only tamada was capable of using them. randy and toby/jules were constantly amazed by how much lean angle he used right through the race. But all the front runners were on michelins.
i also remember that the odd race was boring and most of them were exciting. seems the moto gp world is now inverted and most races are boring with the odd exciting one.

I gotta agree on that one.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Reel Nauti @ Sep 26 2008, 01:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Tamada's success came with Sito Pons when he was Biaggi's teammate. Pons ran the best satellite team (better than Gresini) before he was shafted by Honda.

Didn't Tamada won his only GP victories with JiR?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Sep 26 2008, 01:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i blame honda because of..

They've also done so much for the sport... not everything is bad
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They keep supplying bikes to small teams that would not be there otherwise because neither Yamaha or the others did...

And I don't think we can blame Honda for Roberts departure, it was only matter of time... He chose a risky and costly way to go racing against big factories. Personnally I would have loved to see him running a Yamaha squad again
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Reel Nauti @ Sep 26 2008, 01:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I gotta agree on that one.
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now i know how "the festival of lights" feel when they get a convert...
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(the aussies will know what i mean).

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yago @ Sep 26 2008, 01:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Didn't Tamada won his only GP victories with JiR?

Nope. All were with Pons. He started out with the Pramac/Honda/Bridgestone mule, moved to Pons, replacing Ukawa in 2004 (Ukawa was replaced by Hayden at Repsol in 2003), then went to JIR on Bridgestones for 2005 and Michelins for 2006.