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Jeremy Burgess is back in Australia and was a guest host with Daryl Beatie and Greg Rust on OND HD's coverage of MotoGP last night.

He made come interesting comments;



JB made reference a couple of times to, Lorenzo is now expected to produce results, after being given 'Rossi's bike'.



He said that as far as he knows, the Fiat bikes and the Tech 3 bikes are identical.



He agrees with rule not to allow rookies on to factory bikes, but he said the rule does cause some problems and additional cost for smaller teams. Rookies are more likely to bin bikes, which the smaller teams cannot necessarily afford.



If JB was making the rules, he would change MotoGP to 600cc, but make them basically 600cc with unlimited specs. Moto2 to stay at 600cc with the existing rules. In saying that, he does not agree with changing the regulations. The formula should be set, and then not tampered with.



He confirmed that Rossi has a firm offer from Ferrari to drive F1. If Ferrari can get approval to run a third car, Valentino has a firm offer in place from Ferrari to drive it. JB does not however expect Rossi to go to Ferrari, because his first love is still bikes.



He confirmed that no decision has been made yet about Rossi's replacement, but his preference would be CE.



Was not really an interview, more a discussion with JB being pretty open on lots of topics. He talked about technical details, like the change of forks on the Ducati's, and the process of development that goes on with Yamaha, where different componants are basically tested to destruction in Japan, before they ever come to the MotoGP bikes.

He was very guarded about passing judgement on other teams and other bikes, but was pretty open about Fiat Yamaha. He talked about the wall between the two sides of the garage, but said everyone in the teams still gets on well.
 
I thought the most interesting part was that he said Valentino is seeking to be back by Sachsenring - two races earlier than what is being mentioned in most of the press outlets.
 
Jeremy Burgess is back in Australia and was a guest host with Daryl Beatie and Greg Rust on OND HD's coverage of MotoGP last night.

He made come interesting comments;



JB made reference a couple of times to, Lorenzo is now expected to produce results, after being given 'Rossi's bike'.



He said that as far as he knows, the Fiat bikes and the Tech 3 bikes are identical.



He agrees with rule not to allow rookies on to factory bikes, but he said the rule does cause some problems and additional cost for smaller teams. Rookies are more likely to bin bikes, which the smaller teams cannot necessarily afford.



If JB was making the rules, he would change MotoGP to 600cc, but make them basically 600cc with unlimited specs. Moto2 to stay at 600cc with the existing rules. In saying that, he does not agree with changing the regulations. The formula should be set, and then not tampered with.



He confirmed that Rossi has a firm offer from Ferrari to drive F1. If Ferrari can get approval to run a third car, Valentino has a firm offer in place from Ferrari to drive it. JB does not however expect Rossi to go to Ferrari, because his first love is still bikes.



He confirmed that no decision has been made yet about Rossi's replacement, but his preference would be CE.



Was not really an interview, more a discussion with JB being pretty open on lots of topics. He talked about technical details, like the change of forks on the Ducati's, and the process of development that goes on with Yamaha, where different componants are basically tested to destruction in Japan, before they ever come to the MotoGP bikes.

He was very guarded about passing judgement on other teams and other bikes, but was pretty open about Fiat Yamaha. He talked about the wall between the two sides of the garage, but said everyone in the teams still gets on well.



I just did some interesting math that may make the 600cc thing more interesting.



A while back they ran an article (in Autosport, I think) about the future of MotoGP and the class' eventual move to 600cc triples in order to control power while still allowing max engine speeds. Apparently, you need a large bore number in order to make a 600cc engine breath at 20,000rpm. A 4 cylinder engine capable of reaching 20,000rpm would only need a bore of 70mm which apparently is not enough for the engine to breath properly. So I ran the numbers for a triple. In order to reach 20,000rpm (theoretical max for airflow) you need a stroke of ~39mm. What is the corresponding bore measurement? 81mm



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Maybe it's just a coincidence, but it is interesting none the less. A 600cc triple formula would likely lead to power outputs similar to the 500cc 2-smokes (~200hp). It will never happen as long as SBK are producing over 210hp, imo.



Interesting.
 
JB as a guess in channel one was also the reason for me to download that version and not the Eurosport's version with Rider and Moody, which i always prefer.



He has the most respect for all the riders.
 
jeremy burgess should be at honda with casey and in a team to be like he was with doohan and be loyal to the aussie motogp spirit…but in all seriousness jeremy burgess is a nice guy and i hope that he will one day team up with casey on a honda and do what he did with doohan…lets hope so cause hes a ‘legend’ in this sport and how I wish before he ever retires that he teams up with such a wonderful talent like casey…comeone jeremmy do it!!!
 
I just did some interesting math that may make the 600cc thing more interesting.



A while back they ran an article (in Autosport, I think) about the future of MotoGP and the class' eventual move to 600cc triples in order to control power while still allowing max engine speeds. Apparently, you need a large bore number in order to make a 600cc engine breath at 20,000rpm. A 4 cylinder engine capable of reaching 20,000rpm would only need a bore of 70mm which apparently is not enough for the engine to breath properly. So I ran the numbers for a triple. In order to reach 20,000rpm (theoretical max for airflow) you need a stroke of ~39mm. What is the corresponding bore measurement? 81mm



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Maybe it's just a coincidence, but it is interesting none the less. A 600cc triple formula would likely lead to power outputs similar to the 500cc 2-smokes (~200hp). It will never happen as long as SBK are producing over 210hp, imo.



Interesting.



I`ve always thought that its an unwritten rule that SBK output does not exceed MotoGP power output .But if it did at least match it ,then thats the time,as Francis Battha said,to put them all in one class and let the `real fight` begin.THAT I would like to see!
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I`ve always thought that its an unwritten rule that SBK output does not exceed MotoGP power output .But if it did at least match it ,then thats the time,as Francis Battha said,to put them all in one class and let the `real fight` begin.THAT I would like to see!
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Not be pedantic - but close levels of horsepower (over the course of a race) won't negate levels of sophistication in the electronics dept, to say nothing of chassis and suspension. Clearly top superbikes in the hands of top riders will on occasion have a few

hot laps close to that of MGP bikes but they won't be as manueverable as the MGP bikes and the Pirelli tires around which their suspension and chassis are set up - won't have the longevity or general performance of the Bridgestones. In any event - we all agree Dorna et al, have to step up the game considerably for next year. Can't wait to see what steps they

take to disappoint us in that regard.
 
jeremy burgess should be at honda with casey and in a team to be like he was with doohan and be loyal to the aussie motogp spirit…but in all seriousness jeremy burgess is a nice guy and i hope that he will one day team up with casey on a honda and do what he did with doohan…lets hope so cause hes a ‘legend’ in this sport and how I wish before he ever retires that he teams up with such a wonderful talent like casey…comeone jeremmy do it!!!



Now thats a pipe dream. A crackpipe dream to be specific.
 
If Stoner is going to a new team in HRC, where will all the tech's/Mech's come from?



There seems an inordinate amount of speculation this year one whats hapening with the "crew" as well. Sure makes for an interesting silly season.



There are so many questions:



Will JB and Co. be free at the end of this year? will Spies get the nod and still haveaccess to JB? or will JB be going Duc.?



Have Ducati really told Stoners team they don't have jobs next year? or that they will be assimilated into other roles? Or was Stoners comments that he loves his team/crew, and that as long as he's been in GrandPrix racing he has had an Itallian crew, an indication they thats where Honda will get the mech's?
 
Not be pedantic - but close levels of horsepower (over the course of a race) won't negate levels of sophistication in the electronics dept, to say nothing of chassis and suspension. Clearly top superbikes in the hands of top riders will on occasion have a few

hot laps close to that of MGP bikes but they won't be as manueverable as the MGP bikes and the Pirelli tires around which their suspension and chassis are set up - won't have the longevity or general performance of the Bridgestones. In any event - we all agree Dorna et al, have to step up the game considerably for next year. Can't wait to see what steps they

take to disappoint us in that regard.



Lets hope that 2012 brings us some promise.
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I`ve ressurected this thread as I`m very interested as to what sort of riding style would be effective on a fiull blown 600cc prototype.Will we be back to the spectacular slides of the 500/990 era or will they just track around a corner akin to being on rails?

One for the tech heads I think.
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I`ve ressurected this thread as I`m very interested as to what sort of riding style would be effective on a fiull blown 600cc prototype.Will we be back to the spectacular slides of the 500/990 era or will they just track around a corner akin to being on rails?

One for the tech heads I think.
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expect the changes from 990cc to 800cc.again.

600cc engines that are good for 200+ horsepower would rev extremely high (very large bore ,ultra short stroke) and would have little torque,hence every single hp right at the top of the rev range.

riding style for an engine that does not have the power to spin the rear when needed?something similar to what we are already seeing just a bit more, in other words : corner speed,corner speed,corner speed.250 style but with electronics and linear 4 stroke power output much easier and smooth to ride.

would it be fun to watch?just imagine a honda chassis with a moto2 engine,only quite a bit more powerful,sounding like a 125



concerning the riding style : i think everybody that likes the rear end a bit loose wouldnt welcome smaller engines,guys with a very smooth style that carry lots of cornerspeed would do great.125/250 guys(think of the speed simoncelli is able to maintain midcorner...), guys like colin edwards (never seen him spin the rear up but always very smooth and good corner speed).
 
jeremy burgess should be at honda with casey and in a team to be like he was with doohan and be loyal to the aussie motogp spirit…but in all seriousness jeremy burgess is a nice guy and i hope that he will one day team up with casey on a honda and do what he did with doohan…lets hope so cause hes a ‘legend’ in this sport and how I wish before he ever retires that he teams up with such a wonderful talent like casey…comeone jeremmy do it!!!



Burgess does not have a very high opinion of Stoner.
 
Oh, and 600cc MotoGP bikes are a ....... awful idea. Money pits. The marginal benefit of pouring money into the bike is too large. Think the 800s, but then to the power of about 16.
 
Oh, and 600cc MotoGP bikes are a ....... awful idea. Money pits. The marginal benefit of pouring money into the bike is too large. Think the 800s, but then to the power of about 16.

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Burgess does not have a very high opinion of Stoner.



Yes, I know. I actually questioned him about his highly biased comment when he said Stoner looked like he was already riding for Honda. I thought that was chickenshit questioning the man's integrity publicly, since he is involved professionally in the sport, very unprofessional comment. I would have loved to tell him, 'well after Motegi, it looked like Rossi was already riding for Ducati.'
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I stopped him and asked why he made such a comment regarding Casey. He said it was based on the race where it looked to him that Casey "followed" Rossi around not willing to challenge. (I can't think of the round at the moment) I reminded him that Casey had two DNFs for pushing the .... front end of his bike; so keeping it upright seemed to be the better strategy. I told him I thought his comment was a bit out of line since he wasn't aboard the bike and wasn't in a position to make such an assessment. Haha, my buddy CaliKid gave me .... and thought I was crazy for questioning him since he's considered a legend of crewchiefs. I agree, the dude is a bad ... at his craft, but he's also just a man. And as a man, nobody is beyond being questioned if they decide to make public statements. Anyway, he seemed bother that I asked him, which was amusing to me. His answer didn't convince me either.



Oh, yeah, I wait the inevitable reaction from some crazy person to reply to me "oh, so you think you know more than the 12 time WC crewchief?"



BTW, whats up with the necrothreading?
 
I just did some interesting math that may make the 600cc thing more interesting.



A while back they ran an article (in Autosport, I think) about the future of MotoGP and the class' eventual move to 600cc triples in order to control power while still allowing max engine speeds. Apparently, you need a large bore number in order to make a 600cc engine breath at 20,000rpm. A 4 cylinder engine capable of reaching 20,000rpm would only need a bore of 70mm which apparently is not enough for the engine to breath properly. So I ran the numbers for a triple. In order to reach 20,000rpm (theoretical max for airflow) you need a stroke of ~39mm. What is the corresponding bore measurement? 81mm



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Maybe it's just a coincidence, but it is interesting none the less. A 600cc triple formula would likely lead to power outputs similar to the 500cc 2-smokes (~200hp). It will never happen as long as SBK are producing over 210hp, imo.



Interesting.



Im guessing it would take more than 20,000 RPM for a 600cc engine to generate 200 hp
 
Does anyone think Burgess is old school and wants the top GP class to consist of smaller bikes again?
 

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