ITS OFFICIAL- WEIGHT CHANGE FOR DUCATI

Arrabbiata1 · May 20, 2010

povol said:
I know one thing that would happen if Honda built a 1200 cc V Twin, i would own one. I have had a couple of the 1litre twins {TLR1000 and an RC 51} and really liked them both.

Credit to you Pov, you've always stuck by your penchant for a twin on this forum - particularly your liking for the SP2.

You had a TL!!!???....tell me more. Was it pre standard/stock steering damper?

Also, in your experience, have you ever slid the rear of a twin, purely induced by the compression - locking the back wheel with ease on shutting the throttle? I know of someone who does this hundreds of times a day. (not trying to lead you into another debate here...honest

)

I've always favoured a screaming in line four - and none of this big/long bang nonsense; and I just can't get my head around a twin, unless its under-stressed agricultural technology from Milwaukee - designed to barely get out of the hard shoulder throbbing at 3,500 rpm all day long.

mylexicon · May 20, 2010

I think all of this bluster is a big waste of time b/c the sport is rev limited.

Ducati should never have been allowed to run 1200cc and the MSMA should never have tried to regulate power with air restrictors in 2003. The point of the original WSBK was to create power figures similar to the homologation special 750s. The displacement increase was supposed to reduce costs and improve the end product delivered to consumers.

If they want 180 horsepower and long engine life, they only need to turn down the revs to about 11,500rpm or 12,000rpm. The 999R can make those engine speeds quite easily which means that we can dispense with the 1200cc performance-indexing masquerade altogether.

I suppose the other manufacturers could all increase displacement to 1200cc, but the Japanese don't seem keen to do that.

povol · May 20, 2010

Arrabbiata1 said:
Credit to you Pov, you've always stuck by your penchant for a twin on this forum - particularly your liking for the SP2.

You had a TL!!!???....tell me more. Was it pre standard/stock steering damper?

Also, in your experience, have you ever slid the rear of a twin, purely induced by the compression - locking the back wheel with ease on shutting the throttle? I know of someone who does this hundreds of times a day. (not trying to lead you into another debate here...honest

)

I've always favoured a screaming in line four - and none of this big/long bang nonsense; and I just can't get my head around a twin, unless its under-stressed agricultural technology from Milwaukee - designed to barely get out of the hard shoulder throbbing at 3,500 rpm all day long.

99 TLR, Canary Yellow, all stock except Yosh stainless exhaust. Totaled that one.. A friend and i were dicing on the gap and we got together, taking us both out. 2 totaled bikes, he broke a collar bone, i ripped up my knee, again, and broke some ribs. The engine brake was very good, i got so used to it, i about got killed when a friend and i switched bikes one day. He rode an R1. The first high speed corner we went into, i didnt bother grabbing a handful of brake since i was used to tapping down a few gears on the TLR and rolling thru the corner. Compared to the TLR,the R1 free wheeled like a ....... 2 stroke and damn near got me. I did however find out right then how well an R1 handled compared to the TLR. The quickness that you could toss one into a corner was light years ahead of the TLR. Comparing the RC to the TLR, The TLR had a little more motor, but the RC beat it in every other aspect, especially brakes. I really dont have anything against Ducati except that WSBK seems to revolve around their fortunes and it seems that the series is always trying to appease them in one way or another.They are not happy unless they have a competitive advantage. Probably my favorite moment in WSBK history is when Honda slapped together a twin and whipped their .... It had to sting a bit that someone beat them at their own game.

DRILL · May 21, 2010

povol said:
99 TLR, Canary Yellow, all stock except Yosh stainless exhaust. Totaled that one.. A friend and i were dicing on the gap and we got together, taking us both out. 2 totaled bikes, he broke a collar bone, i ripped up my knee, again, and broke some ribs. The engine brake was very good, i got so used to it, i about got killed when a friend and i switched bikes one day. He rode an R1. The first high speed corner we went into, i didnt bother grabbing a handful of brake since i was used to tapping down a few gears on the TLR and rolling thru the corner. Compared to the TLR,the R1 free wheeled like a ....... 2 stroke and damn near got me. I did however find out right then how well an R1 handled compared to the TLR. The quickness that you could toss one into a corner was light years ahead of the TLR. Comparing the RC to the TLR, The TLR had a little more motor, but the RC beat it in every other aspect, especially brakes. I really dont have anything against Ducati except that WSBK seems to revolve around their fortunes and it seems that the series is always trying to appease them in one way or another.They are not happy unless they have a competitive advantage. Probably my favorite moment in WSBK history is when Honda slapped together a twin and whipped their .... It had to sting a bit that someone beat them at their own game.

Colin Edwards finest moment imo on a very refined and beautiful twin.C`mon Honda....build another!!!

DRILL · May 21, 2010

Arrabbiata1 said:
Credit to you Pov, you've always stuck by your penchant for a twin on this forum - particularly your liking for the SP2.

You had a TL!!!???....tell me more. Was it pre standard/stock steering damper?

Also, in your experience, have you ever slid the rear of a twin, purely induced by the compression - locking the back wheel with ease on shutting the throttle? I know of someone who does this hundreds of times a day. (not trying to lead you into another debate here...honest

)

I've always favoured a screaming in line four - and none of this big/long bang nonsense; and I just can't get my head around a twin, unless its under-stressed agricultural technology from Milwaukee - designed to barely get out of the hard shoulder throbbing at 3,500 rpm all day long.

You have style my friend.

Anders · Jun 9, 2010

povol said:
I have been saying the same thing for years. The reason they wont build a 4 is because they would be forced to compete with a same rules package that they could not manipulate. Obviously they can build a 4, but their tradition is more important. I beleive if they were forced to choose between WSBK and GP, they would choose WSBK.If the rules get to slanted, the japs can always slap together a twin and kick their ....

They could do like Aprillia probarbly did.Use the former MotoGP project bike in WSBK.If they used the D16 roadmodell,they would kill the competition.

But...their roadbikes are mostly twins,so..tradition and to mirror what they actually sell in stores they use twins.

By the way,have you noticed how Haga has suddenly regained his speed now that the chance of getting bigger airintake is gone for the moment?

All they got was 3 useless kilos.

It would be veeery boring if every bike in WSBK would be 4s too, MotoGP and GP2 is enough in my opinion.

FACTORY · Jun 9, 2010

Otis Driftwood said:
Colin Edwards finest moment imo on a very refined and beautiful twin.C`mon Honda....build another!!!

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