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Is Stoner here to stay?

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gabibyte

Joined Sep 2007
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My biggest question since Stoner started winning is this.
Will Stoner end up like Hayden or Kenny Roberts Jr(one-title riders), or will he fight for the title next year too. I for one, cannot give this answer because i can't tell if a rider is going to be good several years or just one, but i'm thinking there are some here who could predict.

The answer is certainly connected answer to another question: How will the Bridgestone Ducati perform next year?

Sorry if it has been discussed before.
 
It goes back to the bike. Honda built a ...... bike, add that to the fact that the 800 requires a riding style Hayden never seen before, he was bound to fail this season.

All Ducati has to do, is update the bike toremain comptitive next season. Little tweeks and adjustments based on the development made through the season. Stoner will be a championship runner next season, unless he, A.)Leaves Ducati, B.)Honda fixes the crap that is f-ed up with the bike, or C.)Rossi announces his retirement after 2008, and pushes harder than he ever has, to get the championship in his last season.
 
Stoner's biggest problem next year will be Melandri. Besides the fact he is very good, there is going to be a lot of friction next year b/c one of two things will happen.

1) Melandri will race really well and Ducati won't be able to stop themselves from playing favorites.

2) Ducati play it 100% straight, and Melandri gets angry they aren't helping a fellow Italian. The pitbox turns ugly.

To complicate matters Honda and Yamaha are going to show up with much different bikes next season. Besides the fact, they've hemorraged all their satellite talent, both have offended their vets and they aren't winning.

Yamaha is strenghtening ties to Tech 3, I expect Gresini will become as strong as the old Movistar. Next year I suspect we'll find out more about Hayden and Pedrosa than Stoner.

Really, it's going to be the competition that catches up to Stoner. The machines may not be significantly better, but one thing is for sure. These half-assed weekend preparations that have been leading to wildly unpredictable races from other major factory riders, will not continue.


Good luck Casey. I hope Nicky comes out on top, but I would not wish on you what Nicky has had to deal with. You're going to be defending WC but you're gaining a teammate with national ties to your team. Keep your head up no matter what happens!
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The Ducati Bridgestone package will be competative for next year because they already have the winning formula Stoner, Ducati, Bridgestone and all the 07 racing season data to chanel improvements in the right direction. But the Ducati team always wanted an Italian rider on an Italian bike up front and winning if Melandri starts winning races and performong consistently in 08 it could cause problems for Stoner who may start to feel unfairly treated and sidelined, that he deserves to be #1 since he won the championship in 07. We already know that Stoner has a temper and that Ducati are not beyond unfair treatment (Capirossi)? We could very well see an Alonso/Hamilton F1 situation unfolding. Will then, the reason behind the Ducati dominance in 07 be revealed, has Stoner 'dishes the dirt' in retaliation and revenge, and sheer petulance
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What a scandal!!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Butterfly.t @ Sep 24 2007, 12:09 PM) [snapback]92881[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
The Ducati Bridgestone package will be competative for next year because they already have the winning formula Stoner, Ducati, Bridgestone and all the 07 racing season data to chanel improvements in the right direction. But the Ducati team always wanted an Italian rider on an Italian bike up front and winning if Melandri starts winning races and performong consistently in 08 it could cause problems for Stoner who may start to feel unfairly treated and sidelined, that he deserves to be #1 since he won the championship in 07. We already know that Stoner has a temper and that Ducati are not beyond unfair treatment (Capirossi)? We could very well see an Alonso/Hamilton F1 situation unfolding. Will then, the reason behind the Ducati dominance in 07 be revealed, has Stoner 'dishes the dirt' in retaliation and revenge, and sheer petulance
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What a scandal!!


'Butterfly.t' ...this is what and how everybody (the non Stoner fans) want it to happen, but this will not happen as Stoner will be right up there on top and the only rider out of the Ducati team that has to prove himself in 2008 is Melandri!!! Just remember that Melandri has never ridden for a factory team, he’s never been under pressure! Melandri has had a real prima donna ride so far in motoGP my friend, let’s see how Marco handles real pressure, when he has to perform week in and week out! In 2006, 07 Marco had a very easy run in all the teams that he’s been with.

Let’s see what Marco can really do in 2008?
 
I think Stoner is as good as Rossi, but things are getting much more difficult now other factories are reaching Ducati level in bike development. Rider by rider, Stoner, Rossi, Pedrosa and Melandri have the "same" level, although Rossi still has that extra "appeal", but the level of competion will increase a lot.

Stoner is very good, but don't forget that 2 or 3 races he won couting with the extra help of Ducati engine (Qatar, China and Catalunya). Anothers races he counted with Rossi mistakes or Michelin struggling, to get a lot of points over Rossi.

Things ran very lucky for Stoner this year, next year won't be so easy, for sure.

Desmo16 GP8 will not have this big advantage, Michelin is not sleeping anymore and Rossi is anger to get the crown back.

Let's see what happens.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(gui22a @ Sep 24 2007, 12:51 PM) [snapback]92887[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I think Stoner is as good as Rossi, but things are getting much more difficult now other factories are reaching Ducati level in bike development. Rider by rider, Stoner, Rossi, Pedrosa and Melandri have the "same" level, although Rossi still has that extra "appeal", but the level of competion will increase a lot.

Stoner is very good, but don't forget that 2 or 3 races he won couting with the extra help of Ducati engine (Qatar, China and Catalunya). Anothers races he counted with Rossi mistakes or Michelin struggling, to get a lot of points over Rossi.

Things ran very lucky for Stoner this year, next year won't be so easy, for sure.

Desmo16 GP8 will not have this big advantage, Michelin is not sleeping anymore and Rossi is anger to get the crown back.

Let's see what happens.


yeah lucky for stoner rossi low sided in one of his races aswell
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when you win by 100 points its real lucky
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and dont u think stoner still has lots more improvement to go??? he's only 21 and only been road racing for 7 years!!!

and this will be his first time stoner having off season testing??? last season he didnt do any coz the bike wasnt ready??
 
There is no reason to assume Stoner won't be competitive next year. I expect fewer wins, but his consistency, staying within the same team, same tyres, should work to his advantage next year.

He'll have the confidence he can do it, hopefully Melandri and Stoner will spur each other on to another level.
 
I fully expect Stoner to be competitive provided that he stays injury free throughout the year.

But I do not expect the type of domination we have witnessed this year from Stoner or any other rider. All manufacturers and riders now know the nuances of the 800's and you can bet that all will be working very hard to ensure that their package is the best it can be.

That said, I do see a few more championships in Stoner all being equal, just as I see potential championships in many other riders, but it will all come down to being able to string it all together for a year.





Garry
 
i think stoner will win some races next year, as for the championship i think ducati will really have there work cut out.
ducati were the strongest at the beginning of the season but the Japanese caught up towards the end.
if ducati do have money problems they may not be able to afford the amount of work that will be needed to keep ahead of the japs.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Sep 24 2007, 07:14 PM) [snapback]92926[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
i think stoner will win some races next year, as for the championship i think ducati will really have there work cut out.
ducati were the strongest at the beginning of the season but the Japanese caught up towards the end.
if ducati do have money problems they may not be able to afford the amount of work that will be needed to keep ahead of the japs.

WTF's wrong with me? Twice now I've agreed with your posts! Must be feeling ill haha!!
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rossi was very happy after catalunya. they thought they were "catching up",

BUT stoner keeps on extending his lead every race. yeah a few occasion there has been a pull back of a few points, but genrally its only been extending and extending. over the next 3 rounds i can see the lead blow out to over 100 points.

rider or bike? me think stoner learnt alot from the catalunya race, more that he can fight with rossi and beat him and he has nothing to fear.

rossi came out of the race positive too, he thought he was finally fast and competitive and going into the smaller HP tracks he would close the 20 point gap, but it never eventuated.

so when will this "they are catching up" ever going to eventuate??? what counts the points table says it hasnt happen
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(krazy91 @ Sep 24 2007, 02:23 PM) [snapback]92896[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
he will be competitve but championship again I very much doubt


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just thought ill through some Japanese in for you seeing that you’re so fluent in it!!!
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Modedit: I don't care how clever you think you are, using offensive language towards members in other languages isn't any different to saying it in English.
 
Melandri was wasted talent on a hand me down Honda.
I rate him in the top 3 riders in Motogp, hes exciting everything Stoner is not.

Melandri gonna be Rossi's biggest rival next year... business as usual after this messed up season.
 
I think Stoner is here to stay. I hope he gets out of the starting blocks like he did this year but that is probably more wishful thinking than anything else.

There is a lot to be said about getting the monkey off your back ... he has well and truly done that this year and will take bucket loads of confidence and self belief into next year. He is the youngest rider on the grid and will now be carrying the number one plate on his bike! He will now be the hunted but I think he will relish that! Time will tell I suppose.

Like Nicky he is a country boy ... Where he lives is so far removed from the MotoGP world that he will find it very easy to escape when he needs too ... I think that is pretty important for a young rider like he is!

Casey will respect Marco but won't fear his presence in the team. Will Ducati favour Marco ... highly unlikely in my opinion. It would appease one obvious market to have an Italian champion on an Italian bike BUT Ducati is a global sales organisation. By my way of thinking the USA (their biggest market) wouldn't give a .... whether an Italian won on an Italian bike ... the fact the Italian bike won would sell Ducati's regardless of where the rider is from. Ducati would think the same way IMO. A number of posts have inferred Marco will smoke Casey next year ... this will now be his third manufacturer ... he needs to stop crashing and get amongst it next year! He is 0 out of 5 and Casey 1 out of 2 ... I know which horse I reckon I'll back!

As it stands you have Vale with 5 and Nicky and Casey with 1 each ... everyone else ... didly ....! I think the pressure will be starting to grow on a number of different riders next year ... the pressure won't be on Casey unless he brings it on himself!
 
actually most riders and teams are content with a podium or at best a win a season. the only teams realistically wanting a WC are respol, yamaha and ducati.

look at all the talk about elias, everyone praises him all year just because he rode with a broken collar bone. maybe he should get injused next season so people can praise him again for doing jack .....
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Sep 24 2007, 08:31 PM) [snapback]92952[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Melandri was wasted talent on a hand me down Honda.
I rate him in the top 3 riders in Motogp, hes exciting everything Stoner is not.

Melandri gonna be Rossi's biggest rival next year... business as usual after this messed up season.


Ha Ha Ha and more Ha Ha's an4rew...typical of all the doubters in 2007 & 08 & 09 7 10...as Mick Doohan said...Casey has lots of experience in this game!!! He’s totally committed to motoGP racing, with exceptional concentration on the job at hand!!! He’s been like this for allot of years!!!..he breaths and has the perfect commitment to racing at the top level of motoGP!!!...Melandri is the man that has to prove himself to me!!! And that is with a factory ride where near enough is just NOT Good enough!!!

And whatever your intentions are an4rew they just don’t make sense to me!!! Just wait an4rew and you will see what Mr, Stoner will do in 08 before you shoot your mouth off!!!
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