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Is Lorenzo the next Rossi?

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What I mean by the question is:

Is Lorenzo the next goldenboy of MotoGP? It certainly seems like his popularity is on the rise (God knows I've seen 4 of my Hayden fan go bandwagon on me) coupled with this article LINK made me think...has Dorna found their next promotional wet dream?

Lets face it, Dorna love a goldenboy brand symbol, and it’s a recipe that has served them well with Rossi. And God knows they wish that man would be a Spaniard. Lorenzo seems to have what it takes to be this figure: he’s talented, has personality, has a brand logo that everybody is in love with, and is from Spain.

Pedrosa had been given this status as the heir apparent, but he turned out to be a PR nightmare with a monkey sideshow, and though they had some of the trappings (talented rider, sideshow, from Spain, etc) the duo turned out to be the comic relief of a circus clown, except not funny.

I for one think it has already begun. Seeing Rossi a bit disgruntled lately was perhaps his reaction to this already starting to happen behind the scenes. Honda declaring Dovi “equal” status seems the signal that Peders is no longer to be considered royal status. Rossi won’t be around forever, so somebody has to be next. Spies will be a rookie next year, and we know how much the Spanish love Americans (not). Until the Brits field a capable rider (perhaps Crutchlow if he replaces Spies) then they will have to wait for their place at the Dorna table. The Aussies, well they had their chance, turned out having a devastatingly dominant rider didn’t impress anybody, seems poor Casey needed a dog and pony show to raise any eyebrows.


So is Lorenzo the new heir apparent? Is he Dorna’s new golden boy?


Your thoughts?
 
Lorenzo is stealing some of Rossi's thunder and it's bugging him alot. Lorenzo is the next in line to take Rossi's throne, hopefully he's able to de-throne Rossi before he retires.

As I said before, Lorenzo needs to understand that there's still more to learn and improve on in his game. If he's to challenge Rossi on a regular basis he needs to be stronger on the brakes..... all great champions are known to be monsters on the brakes, not just early on the accelerator. It wouldn't hurt if Lorenzo played some mind games with Rossi either..... but he lets his game do the talking, and it's clear to see that it's getting under his skin.

GO Jorge LorenTHO !!
 
As usual Supershitface has given us another pile of Feces excreted from his/her keyboard.

Seriously though

I can't see Jorge taking the Rossi mantle and running with it......he is at present a super talent and a good copycat showman, however this is all quite contrived and seems to lack the originality of Rossi, of course Rossi's antics are also somewhat planned these days, however his character and skill has created the popularity of the GOAT.

Jorge's riding talent is definitely not in question, however we haven't seen too many of the Spaniad's over the years with the ticker needed to become a multiple world champ. Us Aussie's are in a bit of trouble at present, CS has more than dented our image and our Pro-feeder classes are all Superbike focused, so WSBK is where we are at for a while yet.

For me, the ones to watch are Simoncelli, Spies and Bautista. Though none of these at present has the PR pack to rival the GOAT, or ever will, but combined with Jorge they do however all possess the talent to put on a great show, which is what I'm hoping for.

Dorna is no doubt hopeful for Jorge for many of the reason's outlined in the topic, but once VR is gone those shoes can only be half filled at present.......
 
He's got the showmanship down but, even as a fan of his, I'm not convinced he has what it takes to ever beat Rossi or continue this form once he's in charge of development. Pedrosa and Stoner have managed to win on packages that they've more or less put together for themselves, Lorenzo is riding pillion on the best bike on the grid. I hope he proves me wrong but I wonder what he can do for himself in terms of development.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Sep 22 2009, 10:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lorenzo is stealing some of Rossi's thunder and it's bugging him alot. Lorenzo is the next in line to take Rossi's throne, hopefully he's able to de-throne Rossi before he retires.

As I said before, Lorenzo needs to understand that there's still more to learn and improve on in his game. If he's to challenge Rossi on a regular basis he needs to be stronger on the brakes..... all great champions are known to be monsters on the brakes, not just early on the accelerator. It wouldn't hurt if Lorenzo played some mind games with Rossi either..... but he lets his game do the talking, and it's clear to see that it's getting under his skin.

GO Jorge LorenTHO !!
SS56 - your dumb avatar would be really quite appropriate, were it not for the fact that Bobby Hill has treble the IQ of yourself.
 
I don't think there will be such a dominant rider like Rossi in the next years. I think there will be a situation similar to the one back then in late '80s/early '90s, with more riders racing for the championship. Lorenzo, Stoner, Pedrosa, maybe also Simoncelli and someone else coming from inferior classes.

Then, as far as riders' comparison, I think Lorenzo's more similar to Doohan. He's got talent, he's fast and determined, he seems to have a sort of "intense" personality like Doohan, while Rossi always seems to be relaxed, to be joking, just as he was naturally endowed to be superior to everybody else. On the opposite Doohan was more of a classic example of a champion: strong, determined and charismatic, just a man who came closer to perfection than the others. Lorenzo, if he's ever gonna win a championship (this year?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Squarewheel @ Sep 22 2009, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't think there will be such a dominant rider like Rossi in the next years. I think there will be a situation similar to the one back then in late '80s/early '90s, with more riders racing for the championship. Lorenzo, Stoner, Pedrosa, maybe also Simoncelli and someone else coming from inferior classes.

Then, as far as riders' comparison, I think Lorenzo's more similar to Doohan. He's got talent, he's fast and determined, he seems to have a sort of "intense" personality like Doohan, while Rossi always seems to be relaxed, to be joking, just as he was naturally endowed to be superior to everybody else. On the opposite Doohan was more of a classic example of a champion: strong, determined and charismatic, just a man who came closer to perfection than the others. Lorenzo, if he's ever gonna win a championship (this year?
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), would resemble more that "classic" idea of champion.


Don't let Rossi's 'Happy Go Lucky' approach to racing fool you... it's all a front for the camera's. Behind the scenes Rossi is as cut throat as Flavio Briatore, Rossi just knows how to work the media. Don't fall into his game like the rest of the sheeps.

I'm just glad there's a rider like Lorenzo that's able to get under Rossi's skin and show who he really is.
 
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I for one am a huge fan for Lorenzo. I have been rooting for the guy since the 250's.
Is he the next Golden Child.. simply.. Yes..

Is he the NEXT ROSSI... No.
I believe Lorenzo is incredibly fast and has the mental focus to win a championship. I don't believe he would be challenging Rossi the way that he is if not for the M1. Lorenzo on the Repsol would still be in the top 4 but not taking it to Rossi race in race out.

He will be Champion one day. Not this year.. He will never be mentioned as the GOAT.
I am hoping that he will not be a one championship wonder. We are having a series of those going on.

I see the entire series changing drastically once Rossi is retired. I believe that after the JB/Rossi developments have run their course and development lies on Lorenzo/Dovi/Pedrosa/Stoner we will have much more close and exciting racing.

We will see.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 22 2009, 09:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What I mean by the question is:

Is Lorenzo the next goldenboy of MotoGP? It certainly seems like his popularity is on the rise (God knows I've seen 4 of my Hayden fan go bandwagon on me) coupled with this article LINK made me think...has Dorna found their next promotional wet dream?

Lets face it, Dorna love a goldenboy brand symbol, and it’s a recipe that has served them well with Rossi. And God knows they wish that man would be a Spaniard. Lorenzo seems to have what it takes to be this figure: he’s talented, has personality, has a brand logo that everybody is in love with, and is from Spain.

Pedrosa had been given this status as the heir apparent, but he turned out to be a PR nightmare with a monkey sideshow, and though they had some of the trappings (talented rider, sideshow, from Spain, etc) the duo turned out to be the comic relief of a circus clown, except not funny.

I for one think it has already begun. Seeing Rossi a bit disgruntled lately was perhaps his reaction to this already starting to happen behind the scenes. Honda declaring Dovi “equal” status seems the signal that Peders is no longer to be considered royal status. Rossi won’t be around forever, so somebody has to be next. Spies will be a rookie next year, and we know how much the Spanish love Americans (not). Until the Brits field a capable rider (perhaps Crutchlow if he replaces Spies) then they will have to wait for their place at the Dorna table. The Aussies, well they had their chance, turned out having a devastatingly dominant rider didn’t impress anybody, seems poor Casey needed a dog and pony show to raise any eyebrows.


So is Lorenzo the new heir apparent? Is he Dorna’s new golden boy?


Your thoughts?

I see what you are getting at a bit Jimkie and it is a good little conversation topic but the big thought that strikes me is would DORNA put all their eggs into the Lorenzo basket?

Personally I tend to think that they won't as the risks are to great in terms of alienating some of the market and I say this as whilst Rossi is well regraded by the vast majority, Lorenzo (oh od, can see this being controversial) is far less respected by many. That is not meant to seem negative but Talpa uses the word 'contrived' to describe many of Lorenzo's post race celebrations and I do think that many fans feel the same, thus he has a lot to do to 'win over' these fans first and foremost.

I suspect that DORNA will realise this and will instead look wider in terms of their 'golden child' as to who is producing the results when teh time comes and which market is pivotal for their growth, on other words a pure business decision.

No doubt for mine Lorenzo will be one, I also suspect that results being good, Simoncelli will be another and also that Spies will be used to push the sport in the US market by becoming the 'face' of that market.

That really does leave two major areas of potential which is the english speaking European market (being fair, the English of JL is quite good so this may not be as big an issue) and the asian market which has extreme wealth and growth potential.

For mine, one of the interesting points will be when does DORNA make their move and start the 'push' of the new golden child?

Do they wait for VR to make the move and leave thereby wasting possible time or do they start now to build the 'fanboism' for the new chosen one/s?





Gaz
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Sep 22 2009, 03:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>SS56 - your dumb avatar would be really quite appropriate, were it not for the fact that Bobby Hill his treble the IQ of yourself.


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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 22 2009, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The Aussies, well they had their chance, turned out having a devastatingly dominant rider didn’t impress anybody, seems poor Casey needed a dog and pony show to raise any eyebrows.
I am indifferent in regard to whether there will be a new rossi in terms of dog and pony shows, as I am to the efforts of the current/"old" rossi in this area. Ben spies does present as being nicely understated.

I would be delighted if stoner showed "new rossi" race winning capability, as he did in 2007 , again but I think this is unlikely both because of the continuing presence of the old rossi and the number of competitive bikes and riders, even apart from issues intrinsic to him including his general motivation and health. I think lorenzo is also unlikely to demonstrate new rossi race winning capacity, particularly since as others have said he does not as yet appear to have demonstrated development ability.
 
Lorenzo is as fast as Rossi.
Lorenzo has a personality and understands showmanship (this is a big plus and what Casey lacks) .
Lorenzo doesn't know how to develop a bike, yet.
Lorenzo will risk losing the Yamaha and go to Honda to assuage his large ego (if Rossi stays).

So is he the next Rossi? No.
Will he be his own legend? Yes.
Will his legend match Valentino's? Only time can tell. But DORNA may destroy GPs before he has a chance.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Sep 23 2009, 11:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lorenzo is as fast as Rossi.
Lorenzo has a personality and understands showmanship (this is a big plus and what Casey lacks) .
Lorenzo doesn't know how to develop a bike, yet.
Lorenzo will risk losing the Yamaha and go to Honda to assuage his large ego (if Rossi stays).

So is he the next Rossi? No.
Will he be his own legend? Yes.
Will his legend match Valentino's? Only time can tell.


All very good points.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Sep 23 2009, 04:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lorenzo is as fast as Rossi.
Lorenzo has a personality and understands showmanship (this is a big plus and what Casey lacks) .
Lorenzo doesn't know how to develop a bike, yet.
Lorenzo will risk losing the Yamaha and go to Honda to assuage his large ego (if Rossi stays).

So is he the next Rossi? No.
Will he be his own legend? Yes.
Will his legend match Valentino's? Only time can tell. But DORNA may destroy GPs before he has a chance.

Some good points here. My opinion, "is Jorge the next Rossi"......I think not.
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Although i used quite Lorenzo, i thought he had guts & no fear like Pedrosa to stick it up the inside of Rossi push him wide offline when it just wasnt supposed to be in the script........at least Rossi's anyway.

But of late he has started to get on my nerves...ive said it before i think his ego will be his undoing.

He needs to remeber that he would be know where near where he is now if it wasnt for the bike he sits on & more to the point JB's influence in creating the best on bike on the grid...again!!

Is he the next Rossi - NO.
Will he be chamoin one day - Probably


I just get the feeling when Rossi & Burgess eventually leave the paddock & he is left to his own devices things will go downhill fast.

The duo aint gonna be around for much longer & he still has a lot to learn so if i were him i would just use Rossi to my advantage & get anything & everything he can from him. There is no point trying to beat him in terms of records & popularity etc as it will never happen ever, but to get as much from Rossi as possible & beat him when it is safe to do so without throwing it down the road will serve him , his fans and his ego best.

If Dorna think they can rely on 1 rider to take over where Rossi leaves off they are more stupid than i thought. As someone said above there probably will be a clutch of riders on similar capable machinery that will fight for the crown in the few years after VR/JB goes, this will be best for the sport & its popularity, i think VR is one off in terms of PR etc.

Personally i hope it comes true & we get a 5 way dice for the title with different factories/sattelites playing the game.

OH yeah & team green come back with a vengance & kick some butt...yeah i can dream!!
 
I personally think that Rossi's departure will herald the era of the Spanish riders: Lorenzo, Pedrosa, and Bautista will all be fighting to become the most prominent (whether through results, publicity stunts, tantrums, etc.) rider in the bunch.

So no, I don't think Jorge will be "the new Rossi". That's a damn tall order to achieve, anyways.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Sep 22 2009, 07:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Do they wait for VR to make the move and leave thereby wasting possible time or do they start now to build the 'fanboism' for the new chosen one/s?



Gaz
I don't think we will see fanboism to this level again. I think when Rossi retires, the fanboys are planning a jonestown style cool aide party. For some reason they believe that when Rossi retires a comet is going to fly out of his ... and hitch them a ride to an alien planet in which we the people all came from. Of course I don't speak Italian so I could be wrong.

So I guess my short answer is, no I don't think Jlo is the next Vro. I do believe he will have the largest fan base in motogp after Rossi is gone. Well maybe, if some of the Rossi fans don't partake in the mass suicide I think they will stay behind an Italian rider, probably Simoncelli.
 
Don't count Lorenzo out, I think he's the best choice for anyone to rise to the top when Rossi finally retires......
No-one will beat Rossi's records for a very long time, bear in mind he started his amazing career by wining the 125 championship, then the 250 championship. Kenny Roberts only just skweaked the championship the year Rossi moved up! Has anyone mangaed to do that since?

I say watch this space!
 
Great responses guys. Its obvious that Lorenzo will not be elevated to the same level as Rossi, again the idea in my inquiry is: who will be the next most popular, therefore who will be the poster child of MotoGP's marketing campaign. I did my best to qualify the question, as I think some of you have pickeed up on it while others may have had a knee-jerk reaction to say, no Rossi will never be replaced (which is not my point). And of course, I understand that, I get that he will not have the same level of success and popularity as Rossi, who by virtue of being label the GAOT undoubtedly nobody can fill those shoes . BUT who will be the one to replace Dorna's modern era model of marketing one great rider? (assuming they stick to that model)

Another point that has crept up in some of the responses, has been this idea that Rossi's developmental prowess has made Lorenzo look better than he 'really' is (as some put it 'Lorenzo would be nothing without it'). I beg to differ. I think Lorenzo is good enough in his own right. Many have been Rossi's teammate and have (as some say here) 'benefited' from Rossi/Burgess development, yet have not challenged Rossi to the point of him feeling the need to protest. Personally, I think this idea is an apology for Rossi to explain away how somebody can actually challenge him on the track. Its always been something or other, either the opponent had something better, or Rossi had something worse, and now, 'he’s only good because the other benefits from equal machinery'. As you guy know, I'm not king on all the apologies and explanations, which have a tendency to dismiss away other's success, those who might dare to challenge the great Rossi. I for one think there are riders on the grid today that can and have beaten the man straight up.

As to the topic question, I think Lorenzo, above any other rider has the right combination for the largest fan base. He's first of all in the elite class of riders, the best on the grid. His ego, for all his antics still speaks and conducts himself professionally and prudently (I even dare say humble) during interviews and post race media blitz. Every time Rossi has beaten him, Lorenzo has given the man his props and has admitted being beat himself, no blame on some equipment issue. He's got a great logo, that anybody can recognize (only one other rider can be recognized by a logo, everybody else falls way behind this great marketing facet of promotion).

BTW, side note, Spies doesn't strike me as having the personality or charisma to be the next marketing poster boy. Even if he has moderate success, people like the antics. But then again, with the eventual exit of Rossi happens, perhaps the cult of personality may exit with him ad we will experience a change; perhaps a more moderate temperament with quiet professionalism being the order of the day. It’s been my experience that most debates since I joined in 06 have been of a nature: Rossi vs. X. So as I thought about this question: who will be the next marketing poster child; I wanted to answer the question who would fill the void. But as I think about it more, and reading some of these responses, perhaps, as some of you have said above, we will go back to the previous model of a ‘group’ of riders being the marketing focus of the sport rather than a single charismatic figure. I hope so. It seems the other riders have suffered through the rubbishing of their accomplishments because they “didn’t match up to Rossi.” Unfortunately, this has caused the division of fans of the sport into two camps: 1. Rossi mindless worshippers and 2. genuine haters. (There is a third group, those who neither worshiped or hated him, but by virtue of not being Rossi fanboys have been dismissed as part of the “hater” camp.) I hope (perhaps naively) we don't have for years to come a continuation of this idea along the lines of comparing the new crop to: Rossi would have beaten him in his day, etc. etc. I for one am eager to usher in a new way for the fan experience, simply—the MotoGP fan.
 

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