Is it a question of Top Speed?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Jul 6 2007, 06:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'll answer your questions sure.
Wow, it’s my lucky day. I don't think you've directly responded to me since that last heated exchange, so I'll take this as a virtual handshake (or a virtual slap on my face). Look, I know I can be a bit rash and use sarcasm a bit much, but I'm not all that bad of a guy, really. Ok, we may never be truly friends, though we have so much in common--you like Hayden's ..., I like Hayden's ... too, but just not in that lustful way like you. haha (As much as I didn't want that to sound gay, it did anyway.) Uhm, but I must say, you have such great insight (mean this) that I wish I could have more exchanges with you, until of course you get angry again at me when I debate and disagree. You can go on hating me, I don't mind, as long as I can trade some exchanges.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>The second someone lands a supercomputer in my living room I'll work it out for you. Otherwise it'll have to wait till my next visit to CERN.
I have a Mac. I consider it a supercomputer. You can borrow it. What is CERN?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I don't think it's top speed that wins the race.
So far we agree, you see, this is fun.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>It would be more interesting to integrate the area under a speed vs time graph.
Oh crap, well it was fun while it lasted, there you go all NASA on me again. Ok, I get it, you are smart and speak 18 languages. E=MC (squared)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>What I mean is you can have a guy hitting the highest speed on one lap and then crawl around like a snail for the other 25 laps. Or crash out. In that context top speed is pretty useless. I'm not trying to be difficult here. The truth is there is no answer to this question. Only opinions. And as you know those are like ...........everybody's got one.
Well, I agree to a certain extent, there is perhaps no 'absolute' answer, I mean there is such a thing in science called the Uncertainty Principle (for those of you who don't know what this is, look it up, I'm sure Einstein Bgirl here knows all about it). But lets just keep it to mere opinions and speculation, its ok, nobody's gonna report you to the Mensa authority.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>As for Casey, I think he's having a brilliant season. I think having a faster bike than Rossi is part of the reason he's doing so well. It would be stupid to deny that. I's certainly not held him back. I wouldn't say, at this point in the season, given the summation of what's gone on, that it's been the deciding factor. Also because at the end of the day, the bike is what it is, but he's handling it superbly. They make a good package.
Ah ha, finally alittle sliver of meat I can chew on. Well finally I get a crumb here. Ok, yeah, a bona fide opinion (sorta). Damn, you sound more like a lawyer/politician than a scientist. I mean damn, you say Casey's faster bike is "part" of the reason, almost suggesting it because of the bike, but then you condition it with it’s not the "deciding factor". You're good at this. Errr, I can't debate you, you covered all the basis. You are making me go crazy!


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>I still haven't understood where this is going, besides round and round in circles.

Don't be so cynical. I don't have a secret hidden motive. It’s not Rossi bashing, if that's what you think. It more along the lines that this issue of top speed/acceleration has been ultra focused this season as I explained in the premise of this thread. I'm trying to get other peoples take on the issue and also come to grips myself (thus why I took the time to look up some pertinent statistic (as ‘raw’ and ‘unrefined’ as it may be, I did discover some interesting patterns). One of which (I already mentioned before I started my reply to you) that the almighty Rossi managed to click off 5 wins—all on a bike that was usually lower that 10th on the speed ranking. As a matter of fact, the fastest bike he had was only 8th best. I think this says something about the importance of top speed or the importance of having the lord himself riding a slow bike. I bet the Rossi fans like me comparing him to the ‘lord himself’ but even I was impressed to discover this fact. Put aside your scientific method step number 3 (testing the Hypothesis), as a casual spectator, you gotta admit, that amazing. It’s like the slower his bike, the better he was. ...., if I was a betting man, I would have looked to see if Rossi’s bike was in the top ten, if he wasn’t, I would have bet on him to win. Yes, counter intuitive, but that what the odds would have indicated! (How’d I do on my Rossi bashing?)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>You, and I say this in the best meant way possible without trying to be nasty, were probably the worst thing that happened to Hayden around this place. I think last year more people would've been genuinely pleased for Nicky (if not thrilled) had you not made it a point to rile people and stick people's nose in it at every possible opportunity. I'm saying this only because I wouldn't like to see the whole thing happening all over again with Casey.

Ouch, this really cut deep (no BS, I have my thick skin but you got to me on this one). Wow, you really know how to hurt a man--a Hayden fan. If this is the effect you think I've had, then I have failed miserably during my participation on this forum. Most all I've wanted to do was give props to Hayden for his accomplishment. I thought I had made some headway in this regard. I remember when I first joined this site. The three bash-brothers of Roger, Locks, and Pete tore into me about Hayden, but since then I have seen a turn. Not only have I seen them give props to Hayden, but have become genuine friends.

But maybe I got it all wrong, and you are right. Who knows how many Rossi fans I turned away from accepting Hayden had I not defended him so staunchly. (Not being sarcastic). Like I said before, it’s my style, but perhaps it needs adjusting. I remember I told TE (RIP) that you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. Well if that's the effect I've had on anybody reading this in regards to how you feel about Hayden, then I apologize. Its hard for a leopard to change his spots, I love to use wit, humor, and sarcasm to make a point. In my defense, I think most of the times I have been harsh when defending Hayden has been in response to harsh criticism of his accomplishments, which perhaps I have done rather passionately.

In the case of Stoner, sometimes I see the same thing happening--a rationalization that his bike and not him is to be credited for the success, just as it was/is this idea of "luck" that so frequently the rally cry against Hayden. Perhaps its this similarity that generate me to present the other side of the debate.

Anyway, thanks for your opinion on the topic. All the quips that I used above was meant no harm.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rising Sun @ Jul 6 2007, 07:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In any case, I think you're too harsh. Sure, Jumkie holds strong (and long) opinions, but to say he's responsible for what people think of Hayden is a bit much. Where you saw 'riling people' and 'sticking their noses in it' I (mostly) saw a guy defending his rider against the Rossifumi hordes. It's no stretch to say that 50%+ of this forum are Rossi fans, and after Hayden won the title the Cruisin' Caretaker-who-fluked-it/didn't- deserve-Crew it were in full voice. I'd say that Jumkie is the type who fights fire with fire, but no more than that.

And I don't think that this current thread is some kind of sly dig at Rossi.
I'd say it already has, in a different kind of way, and that it will only intensify if Stoner wins the championship--especially should Rossi suffer bad luck along the way. But that's human nature.
The Rising Sun is shining brilliantly, you have restored a bit of my strength here, thanks for your perspective and kind words friend.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 6 2007, 10:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>On a seperate note, i don't know if anyone else has seen the Simpsons episode that was...
Yeah, I saw the same episode. And funny thing is it reminded me of you too. Yup, you know the character that looks like a total ....., the one they call Imbecile, well that one makes me laugh all the time cuz he's so much like you, except he is smarter.

Hey, now that you are done with the schoolyard fun. Get off the TV for a minute and stop watching your cartoons and give us your take on topic about top speed, you not so funny guy.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 6 2007, 11:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Ultimately though the rider is the make or break factor
Well looky here, we have a semi-meaningful post from Tom. Good post, it seems you have been taking notes. Now only if when could get Roger and the rest of the gang on those mental enhancing drugs you've been taking on this thread.

You are such a doctor Heckle and mister Hyde, you sound fairly intelligent her, but ........ on that AMA thread. What gives man? haha.

Yeah, good points about the time involved in other aspects of riding a bike compared to the time one is on all the other aspects of riding. Lets see, on a fast lap it took Rossi a little over 1:50 to complete a whole lap at Mugello. How much of that was spent on the monster straight? Uhm, lets just say 15 seconds or so, is that right? No, that seems like too much. Anyway, the rest of the time he spent doing all that other stuff. So yeah, I agree, there is much more opportunity to make up/lose time on the rest of the track that would otherwise be effected on the straight.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Jul 6 2007, 05:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The human element has more impact on the results then the equipment.
Preach on my brother.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bluenitro99 @ Jul 6 2007, 07:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yeah im drunk. heienken darks, candy in a bottle. if it aint that its Guinness. im like a <u>fat</u> white chick on jerry springer. "give me tha dark stuff!"
Oh, so you are just like Roger then.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Jul 6 2007, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>“now, after all it’s happening at the front-runners”... So it does affect results more so, and even on the point system, the front runners pile up much more points due to the bigger difference that separates each position and not so much at the middle packers and obviously less at the bottom of the pot.
Yes, and as I said before, it was happening on the mid-packers but nobody cared. Good observation V.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 7 2007, 12:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think my intelligence level remains constant
Nah, Tom I just don't think you know anything about the AMA. But that's ok, I don't know much about the BSB. But that's for another thread.