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How steroids have impacted Marquez recovery almost 1 year later

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robains

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I know many are wondering why Marquez isn't back in action (it's been over 9 months since his accident) and why just "opening a window" damaged the plate they inserted.

Any person this young and fit, one assumes they would heal considerably quicker. The right Humerus is pretty stout bone in normal situations and lots of bone to attach a plate firmly. With a plate it should heal quickly provided one isn't or hasn't been a regular steroid user and doing the "Lance Armstrong" approach to winning at all costs (aka blood transfusions in the trailer).

Extended steroid use reduces bone mass significantly and the risk of fractures increase with increased usage. You can read more about steroids here: https://www.health.ny.gov/publications/1985/index.htm

The question of Steroid use in MotoGP riders has been circulating for a few years now where Andrea Iannone got "caught" and subsequently banned sending a message to the rest of the MotoGP rider field. At this level of competition just as in Tour de France and Lance Armstrong, it's very likely this is not just a "one off" event and several riders are using Steroids with blood transfusions.

Compare to Rossi when he broke his leg (several times in his career), he was back in action within 1-2 months, in some case as soon 19 days later, 23 days later.

Circumstantial evidence but that's how this type of Sports drama always starts ... Marquez is due to be re-evaluated April 12th with the hope of racing at Portimao.
 
robains said:
I know many are wondering why Marquez isn't back in action (it's been over 9 months since his accident) and why just "opening a window" damaged the plate they inserted.

Any person this young and fit, one assumes they would heal considerably quicker. The right Humerus is pretty stout bone in normal situations and lots of bone to attach a plate firmly. With a plate it should heal quickly provided one isn't or hasn't been a regular steroid user and doing the "Lance Armstrong" approach to winning at all costs (aka blood transfusions in the trailer).

Extended steroid use reduces bone mass significantly and the risk of fractures increase with increased usage. You can read more about steroids here: https://www.health.ny.gov/publications/1985/index.htm

The question of Steroid use in MotoGP riders has been circulating for a few years now where Andrea Iannone got "caught" and subsequently banned sending a message to the rest of the MotoGP rider field. At this level of competition just as in Tour de France and Lance Armstrong, it's very likely this is not just a "one off" event and several riders are using Steroids with blood transfusions.

Compare to Rossi when he broke his leg (several times in his career), he was back in action within 1-2 months, in some case as soon 19 days later, 23 days later.

Circumstantial evidence but that's how this type of Sports drama always starts ... Marquez is due to be re-evaluated April 12th with the hope of racing at Portimao.
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The only problem with your post is that just about everything is medically incorrect. Anabolic steroids are the steroids which aid performance/build muscle mass etc and would likely have helped the bone heal quicker, while corticosteroids have the effects on bone you mention and are prescribed for inflammatory conditions including auto immune diseases.

He had a quite atypical fracture of his humerus which was a consequence of the bike actually hitting his upper arm rather than the fracture occurring due to failure along the line of stress, and we have had a guy on here whom I believe is an orthopaedic surgeon who predicted pretty much everything that happened and said at the time precisely the opposite to what you are saying in regard to the initial method of fixation of the fracture, the failure of which was fairly clearly related to him rather unwisely trying to ride a gp bike on a race weekend a week after the operation rather than opening a window whatever Alberto Puig may have extemporized at the time. it has also been widely reported that healing was complicated by an infection resulting from the second operation.
 
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michaelm said:
The only problem with your post is that just about everything is medically incorrect. Anabolic steroids are the steroids which aid performance/build muscle mass etc and would likely have helped the bone heal quicker, while corticosteroids have the effects on bone you mention and are prescribed for inflammatory conditions including auto immune diseases.

He had a quite atypical fracture of his humerus which was a consequence of the bike actually hitting his upper arm rather than the fracture occurring due to failure along the line of stress, and we have had a guy on here whom I believe is an orthopaedic surgeon who predicted pretty much everything that happened and said at the time precisely the opposite to what you are saying in regard to the initial method of fixation of the fracture, the failure of which was fairly clearly related to him rather unwisely trying to ride a gp bike on a race weekend a week after the operation rather than opening a window whatever Alberto Puig may have extemporized at the time. it has also been widely reported that healing was complicated by an infection resulting from the second operation.
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It's not trying to race so soon after having his arm screwed back together with as misfit has said, a subpar method. It's not the bone getting infected as has been reported by the medics.

Robains has figured it out, its those anabolic steroids which help to heal bones faster that have made his bones weaker and done him in. That cheating ........ Always looking for a way to win. /sarcasm.

My pop was on prednisone for over 30 years before he died, I can confirm that they did in fact make his bones weaker. He probably would have had a lot more side effects such as the ones that are commonly found with steroid abuse. But on the plus side his bones would've been fantastic, his ...., liver, kidney (the reason why he had to take prednisone) cholesterol etc. Not so much.

I remember when Iannone got popped it was more a matter of why did he it? The common answer seems to be mostly for the visual effects they could have rather than any performance enhancing. These guys are riding a max of 2 hours per day during a race weekend? I doubt the risk to reward ratio would be worth it. I would imagine strength and recovery time is lower down on the list of things needed by riders.
 
So MM is so good because of vitamin S... got it.

If only Vale could stoop to that level he wouldn't constantly get beat by his fellow Yamaha users and MM. But he refuses to use such low tactics to win. Truly admirable.

I also learned leg break = arm break,good to know.
 
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Mrpurple said:
So MM is so good because of vitamin S... got it.

If only Vale could stoop to that level he wouldn't constantly get beat by his fellow Yamaha users and MM. But he refuses to use such low tactics to win. Truly admirable.

I also learned leg break = arm break,good to know.
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Beat me to it. :p
 
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I don't even know what to respond to this nonsense.
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A bit of chummy “taking the piss” is a long-standing tradition on this forum. Harmless as long as it doesn’t devolve into back-biting craziness.
 
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robains said:
I know many are wondering why Marquez isn't back in action (it's been over 9 months since his accident) and why just "opening a window" damaged the plate they inserted.

Any person this young and fit, one assumes they would heal considerably quicker. The right Humerus is pretty stout bone in normal situations and lots of bone to attach a plate firmly. With a plate it should heal quickly provided one isn't or hasn't been a regular steroid user and doing the "Lance Armstrong" approach to winning at all costs (aka blood transfusions in the trailer).

Extended steroid use reduces bone mass significantly and the risk of fractures increase with increased usage. You can read more about steroids here: https://www.health.ny.gov/publications/1985/index.htm

The question of Steroid use in MotoGP riders has been circulating for a few years now where Andrea Iannone got "caught" and subsequently banned sending a message to the rest of the MotoGP rider field. At this level of competition just as in Tour de France and Lance Armstrong, it's very likely this is not just a "one off" event and several riders are using Steroids with blood transfusions.

Compare to Rossi when he broke his leg (several times in his career), he was back in action within 1-2 months, in some case as soon 19 days later, 23 days later.

Circumstantial evidence but that's how this type of Sports drama always starts ... Marquez is due to be re-evaluated April 12th with the hope of racing at Portimao.
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Your ignorance and propaganda kicked in right there. Stop spreading lies hidden under the claims of circumstantial evidence.
 
Keshav said:
A bit of chummy “taking the piss” is a long-standing tradition on this forum. Harmless as long as it doesn’t devolve into back-biting craziness.
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Tried that in 2009/10/11 but ended getting burnt by the yellow hordes & left lol.

Will try again next time:spin:
 
320Dave said:
Tried that in 2009/10/11 but ended getting burnt by the yellow hordes & left lol.

Will try again next time:spin:
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We can all relate. Tho with Rossi spending his retirement back in 20th place, all but a few diehard Valeban still pop in to trumpet his merits or predict that golden 10th.

We've all (hopefully) gotten thicker skins, and for the most part learned to not feed the trolls.

A small group of old timers who thrived on drama made unsubstantiated claims that it's was the self-generated drama generated in attempts to dominate or ban those with differing opinions was what drove a lot of members away. But I maintain that many who came here just moved on when they had kids or found more interesting pursuits, but for sure, the day-to-day troll wars with the Rossi loonies did drive away a lot of people who just wanted to talk racing.
 
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Keshav said:
We can all relate. Tho with Rossi spending his retirement back in 20th place, all but a few diehard Valeban still pop in to trumpet his merits or predict that golden 10th.

We've all (hopefully) gotten thicker skins, and for the most part learned to not feed the trolls.

A small group of old timers who thrived on drama made unsubstantiated claims that it's was the self-generated drama generated in attempts to dominate or ban those with differing opinions was what drove a lot of members away. But I maintain that many who came here just moved on when they had kids or found more interesting pursuits, but for sure, the day-to-day troll wars with the Rossi loonies did drive away a lot of people who just wanted to talk racing.
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Unfortunately this also drove away posters who were fans of both Rossi and the sport, perhaps like misfit now although he seems to be able to appreciate all of the riders, but even some of them called Nicky Hayden an accidental title winner and absolutely hated Casey Stoner which is what put me on the other side of the debate. The years since 2010 for me don’t detract from Rossi’s greatness during his very long prime, but while 2015 did further prove his greatness in that he beat a much younger all time great rider and almost beat another at the age of 36 himself, it also revealed his character fairly nakedly, to the extent I don’t think my own assessment of same will ever change.
 
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Unfortunately this also drove away posters who were fans of both Rossi and the sport, perhaps like misfit now although he seems to be able to appreciate all of the riders, but even some of them called Nicky Hayden an accidental title winner and absolutely hated Casey Stoner which is what put me on the other side of the debate. The years since 2010 for me don’t detract from Rossi’s greatness during his very long prime, but while 2015 did further prove his greatness in that he beat a much younger all time great rider and almost beat another at the age of 36 himself, it also revealed his character fairly nakedly, to the extent I don’t think my own assessment of same will ever change.
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I'm still here michealm, though only just. You are right, I do appreciate and respect all the riders, including Rossi. They are all multi-faceted as we all are. The more successful they are, the more they are held under the microscope by those rowdies ready to be critical of them at every turn, or revered by rowdies looking for an idol. I see both parties as reflections of each other. Two sides of the same coin. Both make for an unpleasant presence in any discussion group.

I do like healthy debate and strong opinions, but I do feel inclined to be quiet or even leave once the bullying and/or rowdy behaviour from any quarter starts. Keshav mentioned needing a thick skin, but I ask, for what and in particular, why exactly?

Internet discussion groups are interesting and I've been a part of them since 1996. Since then, many believe they can maintain being a part of a viable community, while at the same time, behaving through their wording, in ways that simply would not work in a face to face encounter. This is IMO, grossly misguided, with the result of such persistent behaviour, without being moderated, being inevitable.
 
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I'm still here michealm, though only just. You are right, I do appreciate and respect all the riders, including Rossi. They are all multi-faceted as we all are. The more successful they are, the more they are held under the microscope by those rowdies ready to be critical of them at every turn, or revered by rowdies looking for an idol. I see both parties as reflections of each other. Two sides of the same coin. Both make for an unpleasant presence in any discussion group.

I do like healthy debate and strong opinions, but I do feel inclined to be quiet or even leave once the bullying and/or rowdy behaviour from any quarter starts. Keshav mentioned needing a thick skin, but I ask, for what and in particular, why exactly?

Internet discussion groups are interesting and I've been a part of them since 1996. Since then, many believe they can maintain being a part of a viable community, while at the same time, behaving through their wording, in ways that simply would not work in a face to face encounter. This is IMO, grossly misguided, with the result of such persistent behaviour, without being moderated, being inevitable.
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Absolutely correct. Most people wouldn't be anywhere near as aggressive in person even in a bar as they are on social media, and people who are sports fans particularly of a somewhat niche sport in general terms like gp bike racing find they have far more in common than they have differences if they actually meet in real-life, as two long term protagonists on here in regard to the Rossi vs Hayden debate back in the day when they met at a round at Laguna Seca and became great friends illustrated.

It was the reverse back in that day however, the forum was much more active with a 90% or more preponderance of Rossi fans who regarded anyone who rated Hayden or didn't hate Casey Stoner as deluded. In retrospect I regret fighting back, many were good people and great fans of the sport as you obviously are, and it is not worth it to offend such people to defend one's own stance as a fanboy. I did love watching Stoner ride though, and while he was never going to ride until he was 35 let alone 40 he might have gone a couple more years, and I don't think there is much doubt the outright denigration he copped mainly from extreme Rossi fans was a significant contributor to him becoming disillusioned with the sport.
 
I think we all start as Rossi fans in the beginning, then start to see the machinations behind the scenes. How many riders exits has he had a hand in? A few...Stoner, Lorenzo, I would even say he put some pressure on Spies back then, although Ben may just have been in over his head there, what a series of freak events he had, we'll never know.

One thing is certain, when he retires MotoGP will be better off, taking the horde with him as they don't care to watch other riders.
 
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I'm still here michealm, though only just. You are right, I do appreciate and respect all the riders, including Rossi. They are all multi-faceted as we all are. The more successful they are, the more they are held under the microscope by those rowdies ready to be critical of them at every turn, or revered by rowdies looking for an idol. I see both parties as reflections of each other. Two sides of the same coin. Both make for an unpleasant presence in any discussion group.

I do like healthy debate and strong opinions, but I do feel inclined to be quiet or even leave once the bullying and/or rowdy behaviour from any quarter starts. Keshav mentioned needing a thick skin, but I ask, for what and in particular, why exactly?

Internet discussion groups are interesting and I've been a part of them since 1996. Since then, many believe they can maintain being a part of a viable community, while at the same time, behaving through their wording, in ways that simply would not work in a face to face encounter. This is IMO, grossly misguided, with the result of such persistent behaviour, without being moderated, being inevitable.
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When I first joined the forum, I had little experience with online communities, less still with internet bullying and trolls. There was a lot of bonhomie here, tinged with piss-taking, and I was attracted to that. There was good natured ribbing and calling each other poms, tea-baggers, “crims” (Aussies) Ugly Americans, Frogs and ........ But some people took it too far and used forum members like an emotional punching bag. In retrospect I wish I’d let a certain amount of that roll off my back. More generous use of the Ignore Button - would have helped too. However, I’m a guy who spent a lot of my early years up on the Upper West Side by Spanish Harlem where you stood up for yourself or got beat down... so by nature, not a person who puts up with abuse, in any form. Our old mate Arribiatta was a sophisticated guy who always fended off mean-spirited miscreants with suave humor. Me... not so much.
 
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I think we all start as Rossi fans in the beginning, then start to see the machinations behind the scenes. How many riders exits has he had a hand in? A few...Stoner, Lorenzo, I would even say he put some pressure on Spies back then, although Ben may just have been in over his head there, what a series of freak events he had, we'll never know.

One thing is certain, when he retires MotoGP will be better off, taking the horde with him as they don't care to watch other riders.
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My problem prior to 2015 was with an element of Rossi's fandom rather than Valentino himself.
 
I’ve been on discussion groups such as this for as long as I can remember. I can never remember this one as being more or less abusive than some of the other rooms I have frequented. I think it’s the nature of the internet (as mentioned in this thread), as well as the subject matter.

Though it’s hard to imagine a quilting or knitting forum getting out of hand for example.
 
Bern1 said:
I’ve been on discussion groups such as this for as long as I can remember. I can never remember this one as being more or less abusive than some of the other rooms I have frequented. I think it’s the nature of the internet (as mentioned in this thread), as well as the subject matter.

Though it’s hard to imagine a quilting or knitting forum getting out of hand for example.
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These groups are as any society. Without law and order, there will be corruption and indiscipline. The only ones that thrive are moderated. There are rules against bad behaviour which are enforced.
 

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