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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Feb 24 2009, 08:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Coz he's ......................





Sorry I cannae help it, I have tourettes when it comes to the guy.

Pete
yeah, hoppers ..... but theres know need for peeps to bad mouth the bacon butties
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Feb 24 2009, 12:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>As a side note to those who's critisism of Hopper is based around the idea that he inconsistently displays his ability, you may be interested to know that John was the most consistent rider in the 2007 championship.


I think you may be missing a point there Tom.

There is a big difference between consistently showing your ability/talent (ie. VR, CS, Simoncelli etc) and consistent results as you use it with regards to Hopkins.

Showing you talents consistently is what VR did in 2008, CS did in 2007 etc.

Getting consistent results is what MM did in 2008, just that they were lowly consistent.

Above all else, people do not remember a consistent rider who does not finish well with well being on the podium consistently and that cannot be said of Hopkins, irrespective of machinery or any other possible causes, it just does not happen.




Garry
 
Getting passed by the lead guys like you're a backmarker didn't help him.
 
Being from the San Francisco bay area in California, I have seen many squids, and I know their ways. For the most part, they have never been to a racetrack, let alone follow motorsport and/or motogp with any fervor, so, though Hopkins looks to be a good hero (martyr?) for squidianity, his mouth-breathing charm is lost like a fart in the wind. Anyways, I don't think it will ever happen, but it could be interesting to see Hopkins on a Ducati, seeing as there is only one who has figured out how to ride that bull, and Hopper's riding position/style is somewhere between Stoner's and Elias', it could be interesting. Then again, I would REALLY love to see Rossi on the GP9, not because I want to rear his children and all he fanboy praise that would imply, but to show that maybe Stoner is as good as I think he is, and not even Rossi-the-almighty can make that italian bombshell's toes curl.

To complete my wishlist, I hope Biaggi suffers a crash that renders him unable to cry, ....., moan, and ride professionally anymore. He is a waste of space, resources and a perfectly good RSV4, and it could be great to have Hopkins in WSBK, figuring out how to make that OTHER (young) Italian hottie move.

P.S. Go Hopkins, and I don't like pig meat
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MotoGpDylwah @ Feb 25 2009, 05:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Being from the San Francisco bay area in California, I have seen many squids, and I know their ways. For the most part, they have never been to a racetrack, let alone follow motorsport and/or motogp with any fervor, so, though Hopkins looks to be a good hero (martyr?) for squidianity, his mouth-breathing charm is lost like a fart in the wind. Anyways, I don't think it will ever happen, but it could be interesting to see Hopkins on a Ducati, seeing as there is only one who has figured out how to ride that bull, and Hopper's riding position/style is somewhere between Stoner's and Elias', it could be interesting. Then again, I would REALLY love to see Rossi on the GP9, not because I want to rear his children and all he fanboy praise that would imply, but to show that maybe Stoner is as good as I think he is, and not even Rossi-the-almighty can make that italian bombshell's toes curl.

To complete my wishlist, I hope Biaggi suffers a crash that renders him unable to cry, ....., moan, and ride professionally anymore. He is a waste of space, resources and a perfectly good RSV4, and it could be great to have Hopkins in WSBK, figuring out how to make that OTHER (young) Italian hottie move.

P.S. Go Hopkins, and I don't like pig meat

Welcome aboard mate.
I like Hopper too, but the pig meat sangers are one of my favourites.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Feb 24 2009, 08:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
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Why ?

I love a bacon butty but honestly, if you get paid a few millions a year for being a professional athlete your diet should follow! And bacon sandwiches are not part of that diet The last thing you want is empty calories on race day. It is not only unprofessional, it is just plain dumb. Then again, we are talking Hopper here
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or in other words- do what most athletes do and have the occasional binge in the off-season but be a pro during!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sally @ Feb 25 2009, 12:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I love a bacon butty but honestly, if you get paid a few millions a year for being a professional athlete your diet should follow! And bacon sandwiches are not part of that diet The last thing you want is empty calories on race day. It is not only unprofessional, it is just plain dumb. Then again, we are talking Hopper here
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or in other words- do what most athletes do and have the occasional binge in the off-season but be a pro during!


Wow...you must be kidding right? Is Hopkins allowed to drink REGULAR soda? or can he only drink diet soda's? First of all.... a rider is paid to produce results on track, not to be told what to wear, what to eat, when to sleep, when he can get laid, etc. Of course some contracts are signed prohibiting riders from participating in any 'dangerous' activities, but other than that I don't see how John Hopkins eating a bacon sandwhich on race day anybody else's business.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Feb 25 2009, 09:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wow...you must be kidding right? Is Hopkins allowed to drink REGULAR soda? or can he only drink diet soda's? First of all.... a rider is paid to produce results on track, not to be told what to wear, what to eat, when to sleep, when he can get laid, etc. Of course some contracts are signed prohibiting riders from participating in any 'dangerous' activities, but other than that I don't see how John Hopkins eating a bacon sandwhich on race day anybody else's business.


Well, he avoids taking dangerous risks such as going fast on motorbikes, must be in his contract.

Pete
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Feb 25 2009, 01:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well, he avoids taking dangerous risks such as going fast on motorbikes, must be in his contract.
I'm guessing most of the .... you say is tongue cheek, at least you got me laughing at your witty quips... (Not many can talk .... about a guy I like and still have a smile reading it...)

Pete/Austin (& anybody else who has an unexplained dislike for the guy) , have you ever met Hopkins? (Just wondering, not that you need to, but it might change your minds about the man).

Like I said, it may not be necessary to meet a person and form an opinion, ...., I've never met Peders, but I can tell we probably wouldn't get along. But Hopkins is a fairly down to earth guy. That he got paid well seems to be the big sticking point with allot of people. Not sure why. I said it here once before, but I'd like to know who here on the forum would talk their boss into paying them less? Truth be told, motorcycle racing is a very dangerous activity. Its not fun recovering in hospital and painful rehab because you’re on the edge of the machine's capability.


I can't really see where the dislike for the guy comes from. The top three reasons seem to be:

1. Gets paid "too" much. (Ok, give back some of your paycheck then you have the right to talk .....)
2. Partied too much after fight with girl, once. (OK, if you've never had to call in sick after a night of partying, you're probably a major prude, and your opinion means .... to me. Its called life, and you obviously don't have one.)
3. Hasn't won a MotoGP race. (You'd be hard pressed to win on a Suzuki while in the same race with a Rossi/Honda-Yamaha or a Stoner/Ducati or a good Rider/Honda. Basically ALL these guys at the same time would need to have a real bad day, and you have a spectacular day, and then maybe, just maybe. This is just reality.)
4. Very white teeth. (Only Rog can have the right to talk .... on this one because only a person with gold teeth could look at another guy with white teeth and say; "that .... is wack."
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 25 2009, 09:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm guessing most of the .... you say is tongue cheek, at least you got me laughing at your witty quips... (Not many can talk .... about a guy I like and still have a smile reading it...)

Pete/Austin (& anybody else who has an unexplained dislike for the guy) , have you ever met Hopkins? (Just wondering, not that you need to, but it might change your minds about the man).

Like I said, it may not be necessary to meet a person and form an opinion, ...., I've never met Peders, but I can tell we probably wouldn't get along. But Hopkins is a fairly down to earth guy. That he got paid well seems to be the big sticking point with allot of people. Not sure why. I said it here once before, but I'd like to know who here on the forum would talk their boss into paying them less? Truth be told, motorcycle racing is a very dangerous activity. Its not fun recovering in hospital and painful rehab because you’re on the edge of the machine's capability.


I can't really see where the dislike for the guy comes from. The top three reasons seem to be:

1. Gets paid "too" much. (Ok, give back some of your paycheck then you have the right to talk .....)
2. Partied too much after fight with girl, once. (OK, if you've never had to call in sick after a night of partying, you're probably a major prude, and your opinion means .... to me. Its called life, and you obviously don't have one.)
3. Hasn't won a MotoGP race. (You'd be hard pressed to win on a Suzuki while in the same race with a Rossi/Honda-Yamaha or a Stoner/Ducati or a good Rider/Honda. Basically ALL these guys at the same time would need to have a real bad day, and you have a spectacular day, and then maybe, just maybe. This is just reality.)
4. Very white teeth. (Only Rog can have the right to talk .... on this one because only a person with gold teeth could look at another guy with white teeth and say; "that .... is wack."

Jumkie, you know me, I cannae resist having a laugh at the guy, I'm sure he can ride and he's a really nice guy, ive nae dislike for him at all.

I look at what he has "achieved" before and during his gp career, and wonder what the deal is? He's not daft, he's making a seriously good living as a pro rider, I just don't believe he's a top gp rider, I'm sure theres a series out there he could really do the damage in, WSS, WSB, I dunno.

The funny thing is, he's just so easy to take the piss out of.








Coz he's .....
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Pete
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Feb 25 2009, 01:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumkie, you know me, I cannae resist having a laugh at the guy, I just don't believe he's a top gp rider

The funny thing is, he's just so easy to take the piss out of.
Coz he's .....
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Yes, I know he may not be a "top" rider. But, is he the worst on the grid? Does he make the top ten among a very depleted field? Lets look at the current grid:

Would you rate him better or worse than these? (Be honest now Pete)

Vermeulen (arguably, perhaps a push)
De Angelis
Takahashi
Canepa
De Puniet
Kalio (perhaps a push)

And on current form:
Toseland
Gibernau
 
The thing with Hopkins is....he has shown that he's got the speed, even in his early years, but the guy just can not finish a race strong. Always seems to fade away as the race progesses, not sure if that's due to fatigue or what, but I believe he just doen't have that extra 'gear' in him to really push himself to the top.

And Jumkie....who cares if he's a nice guy, if he doesn't have what it takes to be on top then he shouldn't be in MotoGP, same goes for Colin Edwards.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sally @ Feb 25 2009, 08:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I love a bacon butty but honestly, if you get paid a few millions a year for being a professional athlete your diet should follow! And bacon sandwiches are not part of that diet The last thing you want is empty calories on race day. It is not only unprofessional, it is just plain dumb. Then again, we are talking Hopper here
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or in other words- do what most athletes do and have the occasional binge in the off-season but be a pro during!

i dont care what you say, Bacon butties and beer is a balanced diet ?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Feb 25 2009, 02:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And Jumkie....who cares if he's a nice guy, if he doesn't have what it takes to be on top then he shouldn't be in MotoGP, same goes for Colin Edwards.
True. (Hence, the disclaimer that it wasn't necessary to meet him...)

As you see from my position, its 3/4 reason people crap on him i.e. 'playboy, GQ look, and eating pork (apparently). The best one can say is he hasn't won. Well no ..... But to go past the schoolyard ignorant analysis as to his race position finishes, then you'll need to eliminate quite a list of riders on the grid. Can you count how many riders would be eliminated if the criteria for a .... rider were to see if they've won a race?

Only 9 riders have won a race in the current grid. I guess the other 9 are .....
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 25 2009, 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>True. (Hence, the disclaimer that it wasn't necessary to meet him...)

As you see from my position, its 3/4 reason people crap on him i.e. 'playboy, GQ look, and eating pork (apparently). The best one can say is he hasn't won. Well no ..... But to go past the schoolyard ignorant analysis as to his race position finishes, then you'll need to eliminate quite a list of riders on the grid. Can you count how many riders would be eliminated if the criteria for a .... rider were to see if they've won a race?

Only 9 riders have won a race in the current grid. I guess the other 9 are .....
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Well...the other 9 riders ain't getting nowhere near 5 million a year are they?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SuperShinya56 @ Feb 25 2009, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The thing with Hopkins is....he has shown that he's got the speed, even in his early years, but the guy just can not finish a race strong. Always seems to fade away as the race progesses, not sure if that's due to fatigue or what, but I believe he just doen't have that extra 'gear' in him to really push himself to the top.

Nail on the head. How many times was he poised to hit the podium and just got overexcited or whatever and crashed or just got passed. I don't want to dump on the guy and I know the bike was .... for years but just when it started to come around, and he rode a good version to 4th, he baled. To Kawasaki? Need I say more? He can ride and put in fast laps but race against the best? Just don't see it. I think in MotoGP you have 3 years to show and then you should be gone. So many other great riders out there that deserve a chance. Going to Kawi was the thing that pissed/amazed me. They were so obviously a ........ team.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 25 2009, 04:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Only 9 riders have won a race in the current grid. I guess the other 9 are .....
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9/17, unless you're still counting Melandri who would make it 10/18.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 25 2009, 03:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Pete/Austin (& anybody else who has an unexplained dislike for the guy) , have you ever met Hopkins? (Just wondering, not that you need to, but it might change your minds about the man).
I've never met him but I'm sure he'd be good to grab a drink with. Not sure if he's genuinely a good guy as clearly his marketing skills are up to task but that's besides the point. I'm sure he'd be a pleasure to have a chat with.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 25 2009, 03:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I can't really see where the dislike for the guy comes from. The top three reasons seem to be:

1. Gets paid "too" much. (Ok, give back some of your paycheck then you have the right to talk .....)
2. Partied too much after fight with girl, once. (OK, if you've never had to call in sick after a night of partying, you're probably a major prude, and your opinion means .... to me. Its called life, and you obviously don't have one.)
3. Hasn't won a MotoGP race. (You'd be hard pressed to win on a Suzuki while in the same race with a Rossi/Honda-Yamaha or a Stoner/Ducati or a good Rider/Honda. Basically ALL these guys at the same time would need to have a real bad day, and you have a spectacular day, and then maybe, just maybe. This is just reality.)
4. Very white teeth. (Only Rog can have the right to talk .... on this one because only a person with gold teeth could look at another guy with white teeth and say; "that .... is wack."
1. The amount of his contract has never been the issue for me. I'm all for riders collecting all they can in their short careers.
2. Not showing up for practice because he's too hungover isn't a reason to dislike him, it's just easy to make fun of him for.
3. It would take a combination of favorable circumstances to win a GP on a Suzuki, no doubt. But CV managed to do it.
4. I have no problem with well-groomed guys. It's apart of the deal these days. There was even a bit in the latest Colin Edwards interview at Soup about how all the guys on the grid now have bleached teeth. Edwards admitted to doing it in '92 but continuous tobacco chewing has discolored them again. If CE does it then it's safe.

You know where my problem with Hopper lies, Jum. Why bail on the Suzuki when it was better than it's ever been in the four stroke era, only to jump to Kawasaki? A factory that had no more potential than Suzuki. While in previous years he had turned down Ducati to stay at Suzuki because he didn't want someone else to reap the rewards of all his hard work. It came down to money and Kawasaki/Monster were willing to give it to him. Like I said, I'm all for riders taking as much as they can while they have the chance, but I find it very frustrating for a rider to stay so true to a factory through the hard times only to bail when his hard work is about to shine through for a pay day with another group.

Maybe that can be construed as a dislike regarding his contract. That's not the point. My issue is his loyalty, lack thereof or too much of it depending on your take.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Feb 25 2009, 03:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>
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Yes, I know he may not be a "top" rider. But, is he the worst on the grid? Does he make the top ten among a very depleted field? Lets look at the current grid:

Would you rate him better or worse than these? (Be honest now Pete)

Vermeulen (arguably, perhaps a push)
De Angelis
Takahashi
Canepa
De Puniet
Kalio (perhaps a push)

And on current form:
Toseland
Gibernau
I would take CV and Kallio over Hopper but The Hype over the rest.

Additionally, I know you kept asking for Pete's opinion and I realize that I'm not Pete but I thought I would chime in.
 

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