Honda MotoGP Withdrawal
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Dec 17 2008, 09:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I doubt it will happen. But if it does, good riddens Peders.
Schadenfreude etc aside, it would be a disaster for motogp. Honda are not getting much positive publicity from their motogp efforts at the moment though, and are unlikely to do so in the short to mid-term given that they have pissed off rossi and more to the point his fans, who form a very comfortable working majority of motogp followers. I would say their loss of face since 2003 has been huge, except for 2006 of which they took little advantage.
Schadenfreude etc aside, it would be a disaster for motogp. Honda are not getting much positive publicity from their motogp efforts at the moment though, and are unlikely to do so in the short to mid-term given that they have pissed off rossi and more to the point his fans, who form a very comfortable working majority of motogp followers. I would say their loss of face since 2003 has been huge, except for 2006 of which they took little advantage.
If this happens it's not a disaster for motoGP, it's the end of motoGP. The series would never survive without the biggest manufacturer. It'd make the field for WSBK a hell of a lot more interesting though.
And not that it says everything, but they are on the just published 2009 entry list with #3 and 4.
They pulled out of F1 (where it was pretty much money down the drain) and app. also AMA (a series that was a mess to begin with if I understand correctly (Lex, I am very blonde at the moment)).
MotoGP is the one class where they are genuinely successful!
They pulled out of F1 (where it was pretty much money down the drain) and app. also AMA (a series that was a mess to begin with if I understand correctly (Lex, I am very blonde at the moment)).
MotoGP is the one class where they are genuinely successful!
Its because Cyberdyne have withdrawn their funding towards the developement of the Pedrobot TX series.
Maybe HRC could just cut back to one bike and keep Dovi
Maybe HRC could just cut back to one bike and keep Dovi
Honda's departure after Hayden has been jettisoned would make me quite happy.
How despicable is the change to the 800s now? All the MSMA have done is double the cost and ruin the racing.
Ezy has been dying to have more say, now is the time. Ban pneumatic valves by claiming they are useless technology with no relevance to the production market (same as oval pistons) then add 3 liters of fuel to the tank. Give Suzuki and Kawasaki 1 year to get their act together since they've never run valve springs in the 800 era.
If they are worried about top speeds, put a top speed limit. It's much more effective and cheaper than cutting displacement which has been proven to fail.
Getting rid of pneumatics should reduce costs significantly. Cutting fuel should allow for wider powerbands and better racing. It may also reduce cost by allowing them to be a bit more lax with electronic development. Also, they may not have to bring thousands of transmission variants to suit a narrow powerband.
How despicable is the change to the 800s now? All the MSMA have done is double the cost and ruin the racing.
Ezy has been dying to have more say, now is the time. Ban pneumatic valves by claiming they are useless technology with no relevance to the production market (same as oval pistons) then add 3 liters of fuel to the tank. Give Suzuki and Kawasaki 1 year to get their act together since they've never run valve springs in the 800 era.
If they are worried about top speeds, put a top speed limit. It's much more effective and cheaper than cutting displacement which has been proven to fail.
Getting rid of pneumatics should reduce costs significantly. Cutting fuel should allow for wider powerbands and better racing. It may also reduce cost by allowing them to be a bit more lax with electronic development. Also, they may not have to bring thousands of transmission variants to suit a narrow powerband.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Dec 17 2008, 09:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I doubt it will happen. But if it does, good riddens Peders.
=1. LOL how funny would that be. I would feel sorry for Dovi but surly not for Dani.
=1. LOL how funny would that be. I would feel sorry for Dovi but surly not for Dani.
Gresini puts in his 2 cents
LINK from Autosport
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'><span style="font-size:18pt;line-height:100%Gresini urges MotoGP to cut costs
By Michele Lostia and Matt BeerWednesday, December 17th 2008, 10:00 GMTLeading team boss Fausto Gresini has urged the MotoGP authorities to emulate the drastic cost-cutting measures being taken in Formula One.
Although MotoGP has not yet suffered any of the team losses that have rocked F1 and the World Rally Championship amid the global economic downturn - and indeed is set to see its regular field rise from 18 to 19 bikes in 2009 - Gresini believes the series should take action now to avoid problems in the future.
"Surely we can't carry on the way it's been up to now," he said in an interview with Gazzetta dello Sport.
"If F1 felt the need to find some limitations, then we must do that too. We can't wait until the crisis becomes too bad before thinking of some measures, also because little can be done for 2009. We must talk and try to think which way to go."
The satellite Honda team boss said he already had ideas for how costs could be brought down.
"The objective should be reducing costs by 30 per cent," said Gresini.
"With the measures I have in mind we could already spend 20 per cent less. First of all we should get rid of one of the four bikes we have in the garage: there would be just one spare bike for the two riders to be used after a failure or a crash. This means less weight to transport around the world and a couple less technicians.
"Then we should eliminate carbon brakes and move to steel ones, which are also used in road bike production. This would save 250,000 euros."
He also wants to see MotoGP adopt similar measures to F1's engine freeze and multi-race engine rules.
"We must do something similar too, by freezing the construction of new bikes for four or five years, while only allowing development of the current bikes," said Gresini. "Most of all, we must lengthen engine life: less revs, more kilometres. Let's say 17,000 revs."
LINK from Autosport
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'><span style="font-size:18pt;line-height:100%Gresini urges MotoGP to cut costs
By Michele Lostia and Matt BeerWednesday, December 17th 2008, 10:00 GMTLeading team boss Fausto Gresini has urged the MotoGP authorities to emulate the drastic cost-cutting measures being taken in Formula One.
Although MotoGP has not yet suffered any of the team losses that have rocked F1 and the World Rally Championship amid the global economic downturn - and indeed is set to see its regular field rise from 18 to 19 bikes in 2009 - Gresini believes the series should take action now to avoid problems in the future.
"Surely we can't carry on the way it's been up to now," he said in an interview with Gazzetta dello Sport.
"If F1 felt the need to find some limitations, then we must do that too. We can't wait until the crisis becomes too bad before thinking of some measures, also because little can be done for 2009. We must talk and try to think which way to go."
The satellite Honda team boss said he already had ideas for how costs could be brought down.
"The objective should be reducing costs by 30 per cent," said Gresini.
"With the measures I have in mind we could already spend 20 per cent less. First of all we should get rid of one of the four bikes we have in the garage: there would be just one spare bike for the two riders to be used after a failure or a crash. This means less weight to transport around the world and a couple less technicians.
"Then we should eliminate carbon brakes and move to steel ones, which are also used in road bike production. This would save 250,000 euros."
He also wants to see MotoGP adopt similar measures to F1's engine freeze and multi-race engine rules.
"We must do something similar too, by freezing the construction of new bikes for four or five years, while only allowing development of the current bikes," said Gresini. "Most of all, we must lengthen engine life: less revs, more kilometres. Let's say 17,000 revs."
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Dec 17 2008, 12:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Gresini puts in his 2 cents
LINK from Autosport
This above and in addition to what Ezy is proposing for the 600 class, I'd say this is the translation:
Translation:
'In an effort to be more cost effective; we should replace WSBK and call it MotoGP.'
LINK from Autosport
This above and in addition to what Ezy is proposing for the 600 class, I'd say this is the translation:
Translation:
'In an effort to be more cost effective; we should replace WSBK and call it MotoGP.'
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Dec 17 2008, 10:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This above and in addition to what Ezy is proposing for the 600 class, I'd say this is the translation:
Translation:
'In an effort to be more cost effective; we should replace WSBK and call it MotoGP.'
Yes, I think this is pretty well what is being said. The flammini brothers might have a problem with it.
Translation:
'In an effort to be more cost effective; we should replace WSBK and call it MotoGP.'
Yes, I think this is pretty well what is being said. The flammini brothers might have a problem with it.
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A round about way to penalize the Ducati is to lower the revs.They can do it without pneumatics and the others are spending a fortune in trying to keep up.If they lower the rev limit,they can go back to the springs and penalize Ducati in one sweep of the brush.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Dec 17 2008, 04:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Getting rid of pneumatics should reduce costs significantly.
Sure it will. Puting all the japanese out of the competition, leaving 5 ducatis on track would save a lot of money but I doubt it will atract an audience.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Cutting fuel should.
Cutting or adding or what ever. Same same.
Sure it will. Puting all the japanese out of the competition, leaving 5 ducatis on track would save a lot of money but I doubt it will atract an audience.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Cutting fuel should.
Cutting or adding or what ever. Same same.
Establishing a base machine/rider weight would be the only rule change I would suggest. The constant search for the perfect formula and rule readjustment is the worst thing you can do for the series. Leave the whole thing alone and let the teams figure it out.
Here is the summary of the end of the year 2008 speech...
http://www.world.honda.com/news/2008/c0812...End-CEO-Speech/
Motorcycles is what got Honda to where it is today...so rightly so they will continue to stick by the industry...and in many ways lead the way...
http://www.world.honda.com/news/2008/c0812...End-CEO-Speech/
Motorcycles is what got Honda to where it is today...so rightly so they will continue to stick by the industry...and in many ways lead the way...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ThePhorest @ Dec 18 2008, 05:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Whew.
http://www.motogpmatters.com/news/2008/12/...ceo_s_year.html
Wow!! Fukui didn't even ask for a ............. bailout from his government, so that he can keep salaries and bonuses where they are. No, he cut salaries and readjusted bonuses. Interesting...
I'm glad they are staying in MOTOGP.
http://www.motogpmatters.com/news/2008/12/...ceo_s_year.html
Wow!! Fukui didn't even ask for a ............. bailout from his government, so that he can keep salaries and bonuses where they are. No, he cut salaries and readjusted bonuses. Interesting...
I'm glad they are staying in MOTOGP.
