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nick fry who is a top f1 ..... run that team for three years... ..... fired geoff willis after he translated shambolic BAR into a second team in 2004 season only behind unbeatable ferrari and well ahead of renault and mclaren for example...
this moron created pathetic earthmydream campaign, thanks to that team was without title sponsor for 2 years in a row...
they didn't deserved better. i'm sorry for brawn, bring him back in ferrari please.
nick fry who is a top f1 ..... run that team for three years... ..... fired geoff willis after he translated shambolic BAR into a second team in 2004 season only behind unbeatable ferrari and well ahead of renault and mclaren for example...
this moron created pathetic earthmydream campaign, thanks to that team was without title sponsor for 2 years in a row...
they didn't deserved better. i'm sorry for brawn, bring him back in ferrari please.
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i think that whoever is to blame, or no matter what the circumstances, it is sad seeing a team leave. much more than the spectacle (or lack thereof for others) they give, my thoughts are with everyone even to the lowest of staff who lost their jobs. here's hoping they sort something out very very soon
This is quite sad and not good for F1. F1 has changed so much, I say they create a new championship and leave Bernie all by himself...
So now Button, Senna are without a ride, Ross Brown is out along with all their hundreds of employees in GB and Japan...
I wonder what this will mean for the Moto Gp team...more focus and more efforts to beat Rossi and Stoner?
So now Button, Senna are without a ride, Ross Brown is out along with all their hundreds of employees in GB and Japan...
I wonder what this will mean for the Moto Gp team...more focus and more efforts to beat Rossi and Stoner?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Motrix450 @ Dec 5 2008, 09:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I wonder what this will mean for the Moto Gp team...more focus and more efforts to beat Rossi and Stoner?
first thing i thought too. more resources available for HRC to use on their moto gp effort where they actually might win something..
first thing i thought too. more resources available for HRC to use on their moto gp effort where they actually might win something..
Not really surprising. The F1 effort was assuredly costing them plenty and decreasing rather than increasing their prestige. Old mr honda was a motorsports guy but the current regime does not necessarily share his enthusiasm. Apart from that their particular expertise has been the devising of engines which discipline bernie et al have apparently decided to de-emphasize.
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Actually, they still have two weeks to find another sponser, so don't count them out just yet!
Honda is out...if they find a sponsor (not really sponsor) because their intent is to selll the team, maybe to a force china or something like that...seeing where the world is going...
WHen Honda was involved with Mclaren they were winning, when they decided to do it on their own they just lost and never got it into shape. I for one am happy about this because they have this F U attitude and we are the best. Serves the Japs right to get smoked. Look at Toyota....huge budgets yet they cannot make a dent. Yamaha is one that has given carte blanche to its team managers and have made things happen...of course with the talent of Rossi...
Maybe I am the only one that thinks like this...
Just my 2 cents...
WHen Honda was involved with Mclaren they were winning, when they decided to do it on their own they just lost and never got it into shape. I for one am happy about this because they have this F U attitude and we are the best. Serves the Japs right to get smoked. Look at Toyota....huge budgets yet they cannot make a dent. Yamaha is one that has given carte blanche to its team managers and have made things happen...of course with the talent of Rossi...
Maybe I am the only one that thinks like this...
Just my 2 cents...
The Honda engine has always been good in F1 (remember lil Super Aguri blasting away on the straight), it was the rest of the freaking car they couldn't get right. At least not in the last 2 years, in 2004 they were best of the rest behind Ferrari and in 2005/2006 they did pretty well too.
Btw Toyota and Honda F1 both seemed to suffer from the same problem. Factories based in Europe with European teams, yet all top decisions had to be taken in Japan.
I had hope for Honda with Ross Brawn for 2009 actually
Btw Toyota and Honda F1 both seemed to suffer from the same problem. Factories based in Europe with European teams, yet all top decisions had to be taken in Japan.
I had hope for Honda with Ross Brawn for 2009 actually
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GeePee @ Dec 5 2008, 11:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Honda may drop MotoGP next???
It's not outside of the realm of possibility, but let's be real.
Honda is one of the most successful marques in MotoGP/500cc history. HRC's Motogp budget is a small fraction of what the company invests in F0.
Furthermore, Honda sells more units in the high displacement sportbike market segment (the segment is basically all non scooters) than any other company on the planet.
I'm not sure they are keen to abandon MotoGP anytime soon; especially since the class still has some relevance to production technologies.
It's not outside of the realm of possibility, but let's be real.
Honda is one of the most successful marques in MotoGP/500cc history. HRC's Motogp budget is a small fraction of what the company invests in F0.
Furthermore, Honda sells more units in the high displacement sportbike market segment (the segment is basically all non scooters) than any other company on the planet.
I'm not sure they are keen to abandon MotoGP anytime soon; especially since the class still has some relevance to production technologies.
Honda could possibly pull out of motoGP after kawasaki and suzuki both quit the sport due to ongoing financial turmoil. I said in the 2009 predictions that motoGP would be in a really dangerous position next year, and the only indications are that market turmoil will get infinately worse next year. Lots of teams in a myriad of sports are going to lose a lot of funding. The new 600cc class isn't helping to keep manufacturers involved/interested either.
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No..it won't.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72343
Honda F1 quit won't affect MotoGP team
By Steven English and Toby Moody Friday, December 5th 2008, 14:54 GMT
Honda's decision to withdraw from Formula One will not have any effect on the Repsol Honda MotoGP team, according to Honda Europe.
The global financial crisis led to marque bosses in Japan pulling their support of the European-based F1 team, but Honda Europe spokesman Paul Ormond says the MotoGP team is not under threat.
"The decision to pull out of F1 does not affect the other forms of motorsport Honda are involved in," Ormond told autosport.com.
"We will be looking at reducing our costs, as we're sure other teams will be doing too, in MotoGP and other motorcycle activities."
The factory Honda team will run Dani Pedrosa and Andrea Dovizioso next year, with pre-season testing beginning at the end of January.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72343
Honda F1 quit won't affect MotoGP team
By Steven English and Toby Moody Friday, December 5th 2008, 14:54 GMT
Honda's decision to withdraw from Formula One will not have any effect on the Repsol Honda MotoGP team, according to Honda Europe.
The global financial crisis led to marque bosses in Japan pulling their support of the European-based F1 team, but Honda Europe spokesman Paul Ormond says the MotoGP team is not under threat.
"The decision to pull out of F1 does not affect the other forms of motorsport Honda are involved in," Ormond told autosport.com.
"We will be looking at reducing our costs, as we're sure other teams will be doing too, in MotoGP and other motorcycle activities."
The factory Honda team will run Dani Pedrosa and Andrea Dovizioso next year, with pre-season testing beginning at the end of January.
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I think there will be a shrinkage in technology. MotoGP, like F1, is way tooooo expensive. Look at WSBK expanding while the more expensive series like F1 & MotoGP shrink. Look to see some major changes in MotoGP soon to come. They cannot sustain the expense to run that series.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Dec 5 2008, 11:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think there will be a shrinkage in technology. MotoGP, like F1, is way tooooo expensive. Look at WSBK expanding while the more expensive series like F1 & MotoGP shrink. Look to see some major changes in MotoGP soon to come. They cannot sustain the expense to run that series.
I agree with you and son of doohan that motogp may find itself in a hard place next year. Constantly changing the rules probably costs more money than anything else. If they radically reduce the prototype element they will find themselves attempting to occupy the same space as a rather successful series run by the flammini brothers in which it is already much cheaper to run. One interpretation of valentino's recent interest in and praise of wsbk is that even he is hedging his bets.
I agree with you and son of doohan that motogp may find itself in a hard place next year. Constantly changing the rules probably costs more money than anything else. If they radically reduce the prototype element they will find themselves attempting to occupy the same space as a rather successful series run by the flammini brothers in which it is already much cheaper to run. One interpretation of valentino's recent interest in and praise of wsbk is that even he is hedging his bets.
