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AMA Pro Road Racing Technical Bulletin #2010-03

To: All AMA Pro Road Racing Competitors
Date: April 22, 2010
Effective Date: Immediately
Subject: Weight DSB, SS

5.2 Weight

a. Minimum weight in the exact condition the machine finishes any competition activity (qualifying or race) without the addition of fluids or other items of any kind:

i. 4 cylinders 360 pounds

ii. 3 cylinders 375 pounds

iii. 2 cylinders 385 pounds 380 pounds

6.2 Weight

a. Minimum weight in the exact condition the machine finishes any competition activity (qualifying or race) without the addition of fluids or other items of any kind:

i. 4 cylinders 360 pounds

ii. 3 cylinders 375 pounds

iii. 2 cylinders 385 pounds 380 pounds




More, from another competition bulletin issued by AMA Pro Racing:

AMA Pro Road Racing Technical Bulletin #2010-04

To: All AMA Pro Road Racing Competitors
Date: April 26, 2010
Effective Date: Immediately
Subject: Traction Control- SuperSport

6.8 Engine Modifications

o. o. Engine Control System

i. Homologated engine control unit (ECU), must be as homologated and inner software can be changed for the purposes of controlling spark and fuel only.

ii. Approved “piggyback” engine controllers may be used with their functions limited to spark and fuel table control only. No traction control functionality may be enabled at any time.

iii. Kit ECUs appearing on the Approved Equipment List may be used.
iv. Data acquisition systems are allowed. They should be “stand alone” and receive no inputs from the ECU.

Riders that are currently using the Bazzaz Performance Z-Fi TC may continue to do so. It has been removed from the SuperSport Eligible Equipment List. Both traction control maps must be zeroed at all times. Any rider found having traction control settings enabled will be penalized.



What, did some 30th place rider complain that he couldnt afford the 400.00 dollar to get one, so now everyone has to change midstream. It could totally .... up all testing data and progress made on the bikes since the winter testing began. Hey Jum, just out of curiosity, what is your friend using, if anything. The part was on the allowed list, now out of the blue, its off the list.. Did DMG not realize that it was a multi function gadget that included TC when they put it on their list of approved parts. Just when things were calming down. ....... DMG, were they feeling left out or something.

You're gonna love this.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Apr 26 2010, 11:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You're gonna love this.

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I had seen that! Coincidence, nah, cant be!

I don't know, I guess I'm not a true fan, I should be screaming and hollering but I just can't find it in myself to get upset anymore with DMG, I suppose that is the reason I'm not really tuning into their races. I would much rather watch WSBK and MotoGP....damn shame is all I can say.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Apr 26 2010, 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hey Jum, just out of curiosity, what is your friend using, if anything. The part was on the allowed list, now out of the blue, its off the list.. Did DMG not realize that it was a multi function gadget that included TC when they put it on their list of approved parts. Just when things were calming down. ....... DMG, were they feeling left out or something.

He was using the Bazzaz Performance Z-Fi TC.


I must say, I thought DMG had turned the corner once they rid themselves of Roger Edmundson. I naively thought that chapter was over. The racing has been outstanding. I usually don't put AMA races on DVDs, this year I've recorded rounds 2 & 3 because they were so awesome (I've now watched them 8-10x). Why tamper with a good thing?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L8Braker @ Apr 27 2010, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't know, I guess I'm not a true fan, I should be screaming and hollering but I just can't find it in myself to get upset anymore with DMG, I suppose that is the reason I'm not really tuning into their races. I would much rather watch WSBK and MotoGP....damn shame is all I can say.
As much as DMG are hated, the racing in the AMA has been a lot of fun to watch this year, especially in Daytona Sport Bike where the action has been great. In SBK, with Mladin and Spies gone (two guys that clearly outclassed the field) things have evened up nicely, providing for some close racing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L8Braker @ Apr 27 2010, 06:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't know, I guess I'm not a true fan, I should be screaming and hollering but I just can't find it in myself to get upset anymore with DMG, I suppose that is the reason I'm not really tuning into their races. I would much rather watch WSBK and MotoGP....damn shame is all I can say.
I hear you bro, but if you haven't seen Fontana & Atlanta rounds, you are missing out on something special. Excellent racing, especially in DSB.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L8Braker @ Apr 27 2010, 06:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't know, I guess I'm not a true fan, I should be screaming and hollering but I just can't find it in myself to get upset anymore with DMG, I suppose that is the reason I'm not really tuning into their races. I would much rather watch WSBK and MotoGP....damn shame is all I can say.

The meltdown that has occurred since the switch to 1000cc engines is a shame. The country that invented the SBK almost has no more series b/c the organizers and the manufacturers have been sprinting into bankruptcy. The technical regulations sucked.

All of this culminated in a sale to DMG that never should have occurred.

DMG look to have a better handle on things this year, but I really hope they don't start doing dumb stuff like putting a Buell on track. Buell is gone, bankrupt, wiped out by a parent company that didn't want to produce sportbikes. Just let Eric Buell's company rest in pieces. It was interesting to think of the AMA as a launchpad for Buell motorcycles, but keeping a dead company alive is hardly worth the trouble.

well I did catch the end of the first SBK ATL race and found it exciting. I was yelling at Hayden to make a move. I'll make it a point to DVR the series and watch and make a better assesment of the series.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Apr 27 2010, 09:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>DMG look to have a better handle on things this year, but I really hope they don't start doing dumb stuff like putting a Buell on track. Buell is gone, bankrupt, wiped out by a parent company that didn't want to produce sportbikes. Just let Eric Buell's company rest in pieces. It was interesting to think of the AMA as a launchpad for Buell motorcycles, but keeping a dead company alive is hardly worth the trouble.
I spent yesterday at a trackday. AMA rider Shawn Higbee was out there on a Buell. Not sure if it means anything.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 27 2010, 09:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I spent yesterday at a trackday. AMA rider Shawn Higbee was out there on a Buell. Not sure if it means anything.

I don't mind if people are using the remainder of the Buell inventory, but allowing specialized 1190cc models is a waste of time at this point.

I should have been more specific. I don't want to see another attempt at a Buell homologation special this season. I was perfectly happy to see where it would lead last season b/c the company was still in business. I don't see any point this season.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Apr 27 2010, 01:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't mind if people are using the remainder of the Buell inventory, but allowing specialized 1190cc models is a waste of time at this point.

I should have been more specific. I don't want to see another attempt at a Buell homologation special this season. I was perfectly happy to see where it would lead last season b/c the company was still in business. I don't see any point this season.

Eric is carrying on with Buell Racing, but i dont see how he can produce the number of machines to meet homologation.As of now, the 1125RR is legal to race DMG but the 1190 is not, and im guessing never will be. But then again, we are talking DMG here. Jumkie, ask your friend what was the motive behind ditching the before mentioned legal part.

why is it that dmg are so hell bent on getting buell into things? i don't think it will change the racing because i don't believe they'll be competitive or ever will be even if they do start slanting the rules in their favor. dmg need to realize that race fans don't need an american bike racing to enjoy especially 1 that is so out of it's depth that it needs cheat rules to compete. all their gonna do is piss us all off like last season. they need to face the fact that the US does not currently produce a quality competitive sport bike... someday maybe.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Apr 27 2010, 11:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Eric is carrying on with Buell Racing, but i dont see how he can produce the number of machines to meet homologation.As of now, the 1125RR is legal to race DMG but the 1190 is not, and im guessing never will be. But then again, we are talking DMG here. Jumkie, ask your friend what was the motive behind ditching the before mentioned legal part.

Yeah, I think I misread the article. The 1190RR will be run in one of the Miller WSBK support races.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Apr 27 2010, 11:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumkie, ask your friend what was the motive behind ditching the before mentioned legal part.

Ok, spoke with a source last night (not Lenny). I’m basically gonna paraphrase what he said. My source is crew chief for one of the midpack riders I met at the Fontana round; we exchanged numbers because he was interested in some painting work.

Me: Hey, I have a curious question, I just read that DMG/AMA is taking the Bazzaz Z-Fi TC unit off the approved list, what’s up with that? Why do you think they are canning it? Is it too expensive? Is it a big deal? What is the motive for getting rid of the unit?

Answer: First of all, the Bazzaz Z-Fi TC unit is cheap enough for privateers to buy. But here is the more interesting part; not only is it affordable, but its also a major aid for the privateers to have the Bazzaz Z-Fi TC because it provides much needed electronics aids to be reasonably competitive. In simple terms, not allowing the “privateers” to use this unit is a significant hindrance especially for those without ample budgets. So it hurts the guy who is racing on his own dime the most! Consider that the top teams have their own kits with knowledgeable techs tuning their machines, so it may not effect them so much to eliminate a unit that privateers are using.

Me: So that sounds like a big deal for them to lose.

Answer: Dude, the Z-Fi TC is a inexpensive way for thrifty riders to get much needed electronics help on the cheap, it’s like a handicap for them.

Me: So why are they canning it? Are you running the Baz Z-Fi TC?

Answer: Yeah, I’m running it. The money it cost and what you get is amazing. You can spend twice on other stuff, but what you get out of the unit pays back in spades.

Me: So why are they canning it?

Answer: Probably because somebody complained.

Me: Who?

Answer: I don’t know, but think about it, who might complain? Obviously not the little guy.

Me: (interrupts) So who is NOT using this unit?

Answer: Uhm, that’s hard to say but for sure Graves Yamaha isn’t using it because they got to use Yamaha’s kit.

Me: What about the top Suzuki’s? Are they using the Baz unit?

Answer: I’m not sure, they might, if I had to guess they do.

Me: So do you think one of them might have complained?
Answer: If I had to guess, I’d say somebody at Graves Yamaha complained. They would stand the most to gain if that piece of equipment was eliminated for DSB, especially if the Suzukis are using it. I don’t think they see Rapp’s Ducati [Steve Rapp] as much of a threat to the championship though he’s pretty good, so it’s basically the Graves guys battling with the Suzukis of Cardenas & Eslick. Since Graves uses the Yamaha kit they probably don’t want anybody else having a good affordable aid, perhaps even an electronics advantage, that is if they feel their kit isn’t as good as Bazza’s

Me: Could it be maybe DMG had a falling out with Bazzaz?

Answer: Maybe. Anything is possible with DMG. Keep in mind, if Yamaha complains about something, they will probably have a sympathetic ear since they have stayed while the rest of the factories have left the series.


Me: Yeah, its like a favor for an old friend, eh? So what do you think about the Buell coming back.

Answer: [Laughs] Yeah, I just read that, well I’ll tell you, I like Eslick, and I’m happy he’s doing well this year. But I’ve seen a Buell with a good rider keep up with a 1000 on the track during testing where the 1000 should have been pulling away at will. So you’re not gonna convince me it belong racing 600.

Then we started talking business…


EDIT: I just called M4 to see what they recommend to run their exhaust system. The guy said the Bazzaz unit. I asked them what they run on the AMA race teams. The guy said the team runs the Bazzaz unit for both the superbike and the DSB.

Is it just me or does it say that the Bazzaz Z-fi TC function is only banned for Supersport?

It probably was Graves who complained b/c if you look at the Supersport eligible equipment list, they were the sole supplier for Suzuki and Yamaha piggy-back ECU's until Bazzaz was added. Traction control is probably not supposed to be a part of Supersport b/c they want it to be cheap and they want the best young riders to come up through Supersport.

If you look at the competitor bulletin, the Bazzaz should still be legal in DSB and SBK.

Well the bulletin says ss, but dsb is still using the unit. So if it was eliminated I'd think M4 would be making waves at RRW since Ulrich would surely make a stink.

ESPN's E:60 recently ran a segment on Jordan Racing and the team's success in the reconfigured superbike class. Jordan goes over his difficulties obtaining competitive equipment under the old system and how "nothing will stop him from winning" or something along those lines. Regardless of whether you agree with the views expressed, it's not a bad bit of media for AMA





Povol should not watch, he might explode.

Mr. Shupe said:

ESPN's E:60 recently ran a segment on Jordan Racing and the team's success in the reconfigured superbike class. Jordan goes over his difficulties obtaining competitive equipment under the old system and how "nothing will stop him from winning" or something along those lines. Regardless of whether you agree with the views expressed, it's not a bad bit of media for AMA





Povol should not watch, he might explode.

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Typical awkward mainstream media coverage. They don't really understand the sport or what it's about, they just know about the stunting culture and the crazy kids you see on the news going 150mph on the interstates. The entire thing is focused on Jordan and his quest for success; however, any press is probably good press at this point. Congrats to Jordan/AMA/DMG for getting it done.



I wish he hadn't talked about all of the stupid things he's done on a motorcycle (the same stupid stuff we've all done) b/c that phase usually passes quickly and you develop a more restrained aggression. Anyway I found the interview on youtube



[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00yeKYnWmL8[/media]

Mr. Shupe said:

ESPN's E:60 recently ran a segment on Jordan Racing and the team's success in the reconfigured superbike class. Jordan goes over his difficulties obtaining competitive equipment under the old system and how "nothing will stop him from winning" or something along those lines. Regardless of whether you agree with the views expressed, it's not a bad bit of media for AMA





Povol should not watch, he might explode.

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Yea, like getting the rules changed to meet his pocketbook and agenda. I hold him to blame as much as anyone for this clusterfuck known as professional racing in the United States. I dont care to listen to anything he has to say.