Hayden has done it again!!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (projekZERO @ Apr 2 2008, 09:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You guys say he's not a racer or great on the brakes but he's a good dirt track racer? Makes no sense!
It's his ability to back it into corners thats makes him good on the brakes and a good racer.

Hayden VS Spies?.............Hayden

Ben is going to get pwned by Matt this year
Sideways is rarely the fastest way on a GP bike. Watch Hayden at the end of a straight. Very rarely will you see him overtake, he is usually the one being overtaken.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Apr 2 2008, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sideways is rarely the fastest way on a GP bike. Watch Hayden at the end of a straight. Very rarely will you see him overtake, he is usually the one being overtaken.

On a 800 yes, because corner speed is king.

Hayden is a fairly big guy by the current MotoGP standards. It's not him being poor on the brakes causing him to be overtaken its his speed disadvantage.

On the 990's they had the power to point and shoot so backing it in was possible, and it's a great way to block pass.

It's also why I've said more then once on this board now that the 800's don't suit Hayden, and he should be in WSBK.

I have been watching.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Apr 2 2008, 07:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sideways is rarely the fastest way on a GP bike. Watch Hayden at the end of a straight. Very rarely will you see him overtake, he is usually the one being overtaken.
You're not necessarily trying to be fastest at the particular moment when you're braking, though.

And as far as the end of straights are concerned, top speed isn't necessarily a strength (especially in 2007, but Hondas are filling up the bottom of the top-speed charts this year too) so he's not necessarily going to be in a good position to outbrake someone after a straight.

I'm not saying he's good or bad on the brakes, but it's tough to pass someone who can pull away if you don't get a draft.

Then again, there's so little overtaking some days it might be months before we can see what happens at the end of straights anyway.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Apr 2 2008, 05:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sideways is rarely the fastest way on a GP bike. Watch Hayden at the end of a straight. Very rarely will you see him overtake, he is usually the one being overtaken.

That's because it's usually a Yamaha or a Ducati.

The Ducati will close a Honda down on the straight, the Yamaha will annihilate it on the brakes.

Why did Honda win at Jerez? Because there is no long straight for it to be outrun or outbraked.

I do think Hayden may lack a little in the braking department, but the Honda ain't helping. I want to believe Honda have a chance in Estoril, but they haven't won a race at a track with a main straight longer than 900m since the 800s were introduced. Maybe this year will be the year?

I do remember rather enjoying this pass.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3wZGNtr9KL0

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (projekZERO @ Apr 3 2008, 11:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>On a 800 yes, because corner speed is king.

Hayden is a fairly big guy by the current MotoGP standards. It's not him being poor on the brakes causing him to be overtaken its his speed disadvantage.

On the 990's they had the power to point and shoot so backing it in was possible, and it's a great way to block pass.

It's also why I've said more then once on this board now that the 800's don't suit Hayden, and he should be in WSBK.

I have been watching.


3 wins in 4 years on the 990 would also suggest the 990 was never suited to him aswell.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Apr 2 2008, 05:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>3 wins in 4 years on the 990 would also suggest the 990 was never suited to him aswell.

And 1 championship, lets not forget that.

yeah coz yamaha couldnt pull its finger out of it ....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Apr 2 2008, 08:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yeah coz yamaha couldnt pull its finger out of it ....
I get so tired of comments like these. It's Yamaha's fault that Rossi couldn't beat Hayden but the importance of the Ducati is overplayed when Stoner wins?

haha 10 wins for stoner and 3 for rossi in 07

is a big difference to 2 wins for hayden and like 5 for rossi in 06

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Apr 2 2008, 08:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I get so tired of comments like these. It's Yamaha's fault that Rossi couldn't beat Hayden but the importance of the Ducati is overplayed when Stoner wins?
You’ve been away for a while haven’t you…Pinky is a factory mill with endless supply of such type of comments. It must be nice living in an imaginary world.

Facts, what facts, we don't need no sticky pinky facts. I'll just make up .... and hope nobody notices.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Apr 2 2008, 05:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>3 wins...990 was never suited to him aswell.
Yup, that's not many wins. How many did Stoner get on the 990? (DNF & WIN both have three letters, but don't mean the same thing).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (stop_killing_dead_things @ Apr 3 2008, 02:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>it was happening for him in the race, go watch it again, he was gaining on jorge but then had that major moment and lost heaps of time, it took him ages to make up the gap and laps would have ran out before he reached him again so why bother trying if it risks losing 4th, his best finish for a long time.

skdt, mate, don't write stuff like that. By writing things like this people will say that you're saying Hayden gave up during the race and then we'll have a thread about heart, risk taking and being a racer's racer.

I will agree with you, Hayden did close the gap down before he ran off. I really don't have many "favourable thoughts" for Hayden (in other words I don't have nice things to say about him so I don't say anything... until I have something nice to say) I was impressed with his ride closing the gap, I was impressed right up until he made a mistake in the corner and ran wide. After that I did not take any notice of him, (I still don't know where he finished)
But why bother risking a position (as you have pointed out, 4th) the answer is simple. He's a racer. And it's his job. Didn't Hoffman get sacked last year for not trying?
If Hayden doesn't want to try, I'll fill his seat. I'll try my heart out, I'll finish last and a few laps behind, but no one will ever be able to say I never tried.
Hell, Repsol & HRC wouldn't even need to buy me leathers, I'll fit into Danny's no problem, I'll just tape his name over and with a 'Sharpie' I'll write my name on the tape!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Apr 2 2008, 05:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sideways is rarely the fastest way on a GP bike. Watch Hayden at the end of a straight. Very rarely will you see him overtake, he is usually the one being overtaken.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Apr 2 2008, 05:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>http://youtube.com/watch?v=3wZGNtr9KL0

I beg to differ. Hayden & McCoy were plenty fast when the bike was sideways.

If your not convinced sideways is the fastest way around at "the end of a straight" check out Toni Elias HERE

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 3 2008, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I beg to differ. Hayden & McCoy were plenty fast when the bike was sideways.

Didn't McCoy win in Sth Africa (in the mid to late 90's) and he was sideways all over the place?
Who can help me out with the correct year?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Corr @ Apr 2 2008, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Didn't McCoy win in Sth Africa (in the mid to late 90's) and he was sideways all over the place?
Who can help me out with the correct year?
I believe it was 2000.

For the record I absolutely love watching McCoy ride and anyone who can back it in. But you may notice that Hayden has cleaned up his style while McCoy hasn't. Hayden is a World Champion and employed, McCoy is neither.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Corr @ Apr 2 2008, 09:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Didn't McCoy win in Sth Africa (in the mid to late 90's) and he was sideways all over the place?
Who can help me out with the correct year?
2000. That's the year Kenny Roberts Jr. won the title.

Garry McCoy won THREE races that year. The first round, South Africa. He also won Portugal & Valencia.

He was a super talent that was snatched away to injury. He broke many misconceptions about the fastest way around the track and tire wear. He proved the "sideways" is sometimes the fastest way around, yes, and at the end of a straight.

Corr, check out the video of Elias above at the end of the straight. He passes both Rossi & KRJR. Check out how sideways his bike gets, you may notice the commentator get a little excited.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Apr 3 2008, 02:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>2000. That's the year Kenny Roberts Jr. won the title.

Garry McCoy won THREE races that year. The first round, South Africa. He also won Portugal & Valencia.

He was a super talent that was snatched away to injury. He broke many misconceptions about the fastest way around the track and tire wear. He proved the "sideways" is sometimes the fastest way around, yes, and at the end of a straight.

Corr, check out the video of Elias above at the end of the straight. He passes both Rossi & KRJR. Check out how sideways his bike gets, you may notice the commentator get a little excited.

Thanks guys

Although, Austin, McCoy is riding is World Supersport on a Triumph. (OR did I miss something ie: he is no longer riding in WSS?) But yes McCoy he is not WC like Nicky

hes also pushing 40.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Apr 3 2008, 02:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>hes also pushing 40.
McCoy born 1972??

And Bayliss (born 1969) isn't? What about Corser (born 1971)?


Hell, on that note I'll throw Haga in as well (born 1975)