Hayden has done it again!!

It seems to me he can get into the 'competitive' range at most tracks, i.e. getting consistent lap times within a tenth or two. When it's instances like those he starts pushing to make a move or make up ground and eventually eats his tires. At the select tracks where Hayden is a ' potential pace-setter', i.e. Laguna, PI, Sachsenring, he has the pace and is consistently in the battle at the front. His biggest problem, in my mind, is that he isn't a racer (kind of a problem when your official title is motorcycle racer). Yeah he makes some moves and all that but he hasn't been good on he brakes since arriving to GPs and never seems to be able to dice and battle and pass and repass corner after corner. He sits and waits for an opportunity and at this level it rarely happens and he relegates himself to conceding the position. Just my opinion on his riding style.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Apr 1 2008, 06:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It seems to me he can get into the 'competitive' range at most tracks, i.e. getting consistent lap times within a tenth or two. When it's instances like those he starts pushing to make a move or make up ground and eventually eats his tires. At the select tracks where Hayden is a ' potential pace-setter', i.e. Laguna, PI, Sachsenring, he has the pace and is consistently in the battle at the front. His biggest problem, in my mind, is that he isn't a racer (kind of a problem when your official title is motorcycle racer). Yeah he makes some moves and all that but he hasn't been good on he brakes since arriving to GPs and never seems to be able to dice and battle and pass and repass corner after corner. He sits and waits for an opportunity and at this level it rarely happens and he relegates himself to conceding the position. Just my opinion on his riding style.

I've read that a couple times nwo on this board about Hayden and I don't agree. I've seen him make some of the more aggressive passes and he seems to be pretty good on the brakes. Not the best but good enough. I think he's a great racer.

he was suing quali tires, pedrosa only race tires.

compare apples to apples then well talk

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Apr 1 2008, 11:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>he was suing quali tires, pedrosa only race tires.

compare apples to apples then well talk
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nicky Hayden)<div class='quotemain'>Everything went real smooth. We did a lot a work with Michelin, tried to check a few tyres' durability, and I was able to string together a few high 39s on race tyres, which we were pretty happy with.So let's talk.

http://www.crash.net/motorsport/motogp/new...lls_silent.html

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Apr 2 2008, 03:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How does he do it?

So many times he is right up there in testing and even quali.

He can pull the most extraordinarliy fast lasps at times.....

but why doesn't it happen for him in races!!??

I can't figure him out ..... is he only capable of pulling out the occasional fast one?


Nicky is capable of occasionally pulling a fast one, but Austin basically said he's not GP Racer.....I think Nicky is a great dirt track racer....and in dirt track racing you count on your opponents to make mistakes or for misfotune to befall and in road racing and GP this is rare occurence.....

Question from me....Ben Spies versus Nicky Hayden, who is better?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MigsAngel @ Apr 2 2008, 01:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nicky is capable of occasionally pulling a fast one, but Austin basically said he's not GP Racer.....I think Nicky is a great dirt track racer....and in dirt track racing you count on your opponents to make mistakes or for misfotune to befall and in road racing and GP this is rare occurence.....

Question from me....Ben Spies versus Nicky Hayden, who is better?
Nicky Hayden.

it's called a <u>QUALIFYING</u> tire nim-rod

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Apr 2 2008, 08:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>it's called a <u>QUALIFYING</u> tire nim-rod
Damn. Someone fails at reading.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Apr 2 2008, 06:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Damn. Someone fails at reading.

You guys say he's not a racer or great on the brakes but he's a good dirt track racer? Makes no sense!
It's his ability to back it into corners thats makes him good on the brakes and a good racer.

Hayden VS Spies?.............Hayden

Ben is going to get pwned by Matt this year

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Apr 2 2008, 07:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Damn. Someone fails at reading.

Damn, Someone don't know .... from .... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif

Once again, it is just practice. And he did set his fastest time on a Quali but also set some very consistent lap times. But I don't know why you doubt his abilities. Once things are right he can really throw down some laps as he has proven over and over. I know that you doubt that he had ...... machinery and all and thought that he was just burnt out but I think that if he gets back on form with his setup he will be up there. Of course top speed is going to really be a concern as he said, there are a bunch of tracks coming up with some really long straights. They really need to get the pneumo running.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Apr 1 2008, 06:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How does he do it?

So many times he is right up there in testing and even quali.

He can pull the most extraordinarliy fast lasps at times.....

but why doesn't it happen for him in races!!??

I can't figure him out ..... is he only capable of pulling out the occasional fast one?

Things for Hayden have changed a lot in the 800 era. 1) He's not as fast 2) He's more consistent over the race distance.

At Jerez I was amazed that Nicky picked up his pace relative to the field late in the race. We rarely/never saw that on the 990s. I surmised that traction control and softer compounds would help his career; however, I didn't reckon it would be impossible for him to ride with traction control on

Anyways. I looked back at Hayden's good races last year. In all of them he pulled back tenths late in the race, or broke from the people behind him if he couldn't catch the leaders. TC has really helped him manage his tires better late in the race, but it has significantly reduced his ability to ride quickly early on.

Keep in mind he and Lorenzo were both off pace at Jerez because the chose tires poorly. Both ran medium front and rear, both had terrible front end push. Pedro opted for the hard rear. Good choice.

Hayden vs. Spies? Spies. Not because Spies is more talented or because my allegiance is to Texas riders, but because Spies has practically grown up on superbikes with traction control. Race with no TC? I think Spies would be lucky to finish within a country mile of Hayden.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Apr 2 2008, 03:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How does he do it?

So many times he is right up there in testing and even quali.

He can pull the most extraordinarliy fast lasps at times.....

must have forgotten to stop at the burger van before going out on track

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Apr 2 2008, 10:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Damn, Someone don't know .... from .... style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/.....gif
So, Mr. Genius, what does a qualifying tire have to do with stringing together several laps on race tires at a pace that beats the race record?

Dipshit.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Apr 2 2008, 03:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>but why doesn't it happen for him in races!!??


it was happening for him in the race, go watch it again, he was gaining on jorge but then had that major moment and lost heaps of time, it took him ages to make up the gap and laps would have ran out before he reached him again so why bother trying if it risks losing 4th, his best finish for a long time.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Apr 2 2008, 10:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So, Mr. Genius, what does a qualifying tire have to do with stringing together several laps on race tires at a pace that beats the race record?

Dipshit.

Mr .... face...

given enough time on the same track a rider will get faster and faster....adjustments, tires, parts etc etc...i'm sure he went through a truck load of tires and parts (something he CAN'T do durring a race weekend)


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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Apr 2 2008, 11:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Mr .... face...

given enough time on the same track a rider will get faster and faster....adjustments, tires, parts etc etc...i'm sure he went through a truck load of tires and parts (something he CAN'T do durring a race weekend)


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And what does that have to do with qualifying tires?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Apr 2 2008, 08:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>it's called a <u>QUALIFYING</u> tire nim-rod

just my $.02 on Nicky and I'm a fan, but his biggest problem is setting up the bike quickly, testing the following day only lets him improve on what he was running on race day. He's got to improve in this area for race weekends if he wants to be on the podium.
Hopefully he is being honest in his statement that the new chassis suites him and he will be able to get on pace quicker during race weekends.

Hayden over Spies IMO