GSXR1000 performance WSBK/AMA

Just wondering, how can the gixxer1000 be so dominant in AMA, and such a turd in WSBK? Are AMA superbike and WSBK equipment that different? Or are the jockeys the difference? Bored, jonesin' for some racing....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VTtwinner @ Jul 16 2009, 08:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Just wondering, how can the gixxer1000 be so dominant in AMA, and such a turd in WSBK? Are AMA superbike and WSBK equipment that different? Or are the jockeys the difference? Bored, jonesin' for some racing....

Others will give more detailed explanations - but in a nutshell - WSBK allows for much
more in the way of aftermarket modifications and tuning. The homologation rules
are confusing and filled with weird loopholes that some folks say were written
specifically to benefit Ducati. Every few years the series is won on a Jap bike. I may
be wrong - but I believe if Spies wins this year - it will be the first WSBK championship
ever for Yamaha.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VTtwinner @ Jul 16 2009, 12:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Just wondering, how can the gixxer1000 be so dominant in AMA, and such a turd in WSBK? Are AMA superbike and WSBK equipment that different? Or are the jockeys the difference? Bored, jonesin' for some racing....

Not counting 2009, the reason the gsxr1000 is dominant in the ama is because Mladin and Spies were the riders. Hayden didn't always place 3rd, so it's not the bike.

The reason the gsxr1000 isn't dominant in sbk is because the best riders aren't riding them.

Last year, the Suzuki was very competitive in WSBK. I beleive it would have been this year also but the riders have been beat up pretty bad. I think Max N has missed like the last 3 events and is due back next weekend. Spies is making a lot of bikes look like ....,even the other Yamaha's. In AMA Mladin is the difference, he could take any of the top 4-5 bikes and win

Just keeps getting worse for Nuekerchner, carried off on a stretcher at Imola test

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VTtwinner @ Jul 16 2009, 04:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Just wondering, how can the gixxer1000 be so dominant in AMA, and such a turd in WSBK? Are AMA superbike and WSBK equipment that different? Or are the jockeys the difference? Bored, jonesin' for some racing....

Mladin/Spies are a huge part of the difference, the other difference is money.

Suzuki's dominance through "cheating" and the Spies/Mladin duo allowed them to capture a vast majority of all sponsorship money and race personnel. Furthermore, Honda is the only real threat to Suzuki under the AMA rules package. The Honda CBR1000RR was not a terribly competitive bike at the outset. Honda had finished a distant second for a couple of seasons in WSBK until Toseland finally broke through in 2007.

By the time Fireblade development was starting to come around, the AMA was in ruins.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jul 16 2009, 10:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Mladin/Spies are a huge part of the difference, the other difference is money.

Suzuki's dominance through "cheating" and the Spies/Mladin duo allowed them to capture a vast majority of all sponsorship money and race personnel. Furthermore, Honda is the only real threat to Suzuki under the AMA rules package. The Honda CBR1000RR was not a terribly competitive bike at the outset. Honda had finished a distant second for a couple of seasons in WSBK until Toseland finally broke through in 2007.

By the time Fireblade development was starting to come around, the AMA was in ruins.What you call cheating, i call innovative. Im assuming you are refering to the traction control that was " LEGAL". They read the rules, and acted accordingly,that is not cheating. And like i said before, it didnt mean squat, once the AMA allowed TC, they still won every race for 2 years.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jul 16 2009, 10:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What you call cheating, i call innovative. Im assuming you are refering to the traction control

I'm assuming he was talking about the illegal crankshaft that they foundin Mladin gearbox I think that Lex was also implying that this probably wasn't the first time that they have used aftermarket parts on their bikes.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Jul 16 2009, 09:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What you call cheating, i call innovative. Im assuming you are refering to the traction control that was " LEGAL". They read the rules, and acted accordingly,that is not cheating. And like i said before, it didnt mean squat, once the AMA allowed TC, they still won every race for 2 years.

I'm talking about everything from the TC to the crank.

Under normal circumstances, I would totally agree that Suzuki were innovative in regards to TC. The wheel-sensorless TC system they built was quite impressive. However, I am of the opinion that Suzuki simply violated trust within the AMA and lead the series down the road of ruin.

The governing body was/is powerless in comparison to the major manufacturers. The ban was almost certainly approved by each one of the major manufacturers and all of them understood the exact spirit of the rule. Suzuki didn't cleverly outwit the rules, they simply thumbed their noses at the other manufacturers in the series.

Things went downhill pretty quickly.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Parc Ferme @ Jul 16 2009, 09:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not counting 2009, the reason the gsxr1000 is dominant in the ama is because Mladin and Spies were the riders. Hayden didn't always place 3rd, so it's not the bike.

The reason the gsxr1000 isn't dominant in sbk is because the best riders aren't riding them.

Best riders do of course make the difference. Spies is proving that at every race
this year. Haga was competitive on the Yamaha.

I think Spies and Mladin could have won all those AMA races on Hondas -
especially if they had the Yoshimura crew building the bikes and all the
boatloads of sponsorship cash.

If there was cheating by the Yoshimura team - I doubt it was that big a factor.
All these issue have been acknowledged and accounted for. Yoshimura is under
the microscope - and Mladin continues to walk away with all the races, not
breaking a sweat.

turd in WSBK?...its the fastest thing out there...the riders suck nuts...Spies Rules

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ Jul 16 2009, 08:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>turd in WSBK?

Currently Fabrizio is turd in the standings.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Jul 16 2009, 07:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Currently Fabrizio is turd in the standings.

agreed very turdish

Max B. ruled 07 on the Suzuki. If they hadn't stinged on him, they might be up there fighting for the win too.

2007

1 - Toseland, Honda, 415 pts
2 - Haga, Yamaha, 413 pts
3 - Biaggi, Suzuki, 397 pts
4 - Bayliss, Ducati, 372 pts
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9, Neukirchner, Suzuki, 149pts