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GP Commission announce MotoGP Technical Regs

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Pigeon

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Wednesday, 17 February 2010
The members of the Grand Prix Commission met in Barcelona today (February 17) to further define the Technical Regulations which will be introduced for the 2012 season.

In a meeting held in Barcelona today, the members of the Grand Prix Commission, composed of Messrs. Carmelo Ezpeleta (Dorna Sports, Chairman), Claude Danis (FIM), Hervé Poncharal (IRTA) and Takanao Tsubouchi (MSMA), in the presence of Messrs Ignacio Verneda (FIM Sports Director), Javier Alonso (Dorna) and M. Paul Butler (Secretary of the meeting) further defined the new Technical Regulations that will come into effect for the 2012 MotoGP season.

It was confirmed last December that the maximum engine capacity would increase to 1000cc for the start of the 2012 season with a maximum number of four cylinders and a maximum bore width of 81mm, and on Wednesday the GP Commission announced further specifications.

These will include a minimum weight of 153kg for bikes over 800cc and 150kg for machines up to 800cc, a maximum number of six engines available for use by each rider, and a fuel tank capacity of 21 litres.

There was also an announcement about the exception for private teams, who will have different limitations. These will be that each rider will be able to use 12 engines per season, and with a fuel tank capacity of 24 litres. This new regulations will be further defined by the end of May, with these teams to be referred to as Claiming Rule Teams (CRT).

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get 12 engines good money saving ? and 24 ltrs.
Rossi/Stoner to a PRIVATE team in 2012.
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In addition to these specifications, the Commission unanimously decided to introduce amendments with regards to tyre pressure for 2010. For the forthcoming season tyre pressure sensors will not be allowed, with tyre temperature sensors already prohibited.

Also confirmed at the meeting were definitions regarding the procedure for Moto2 teams to “request a replacement engine on the grounds of substandard performance” during the 2010 season.


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FIM
02/17/2010

FIM Road Racing World Championship Grand Prix | Changes to the 2010 Regulations

The Grand Prix Commission, composed of Messrs. Carmelo Ezpeleta (Dorna, Chairman), Claude Danis (FIM), Hervé Poncharal (IRTA) and Takanao Tsubouchi (MSMA), in the presence of Messrs Ignacio Verneda (FIM Sports Director), Javier Alonso (Dorna) and M. Paul Butler (Secretary of the meeting), in a meeting held on February 17 in Barcelona, unanimously decided to introduce the following amendments to the Road Racing World Championship Grand Prix Regulations. Changes in bold.

Technical Regulations | Immediate application

2.7.13 Tyre temperature sensors are not permitted. Tyre pressure sensors are not permitted.

2.10.1 Racing number must be affixed to the front and the two sides of the motorcycle. For the MotoGP and Moto2 classes, only the front number is compulsory.

MotoGP

2.3.9.1 In the MotoGP class the maximum permitted fuel pressure is 10 Bar.

Moto2

2.3.6

Engine Definition, Specification and Modification

8) i) Use of the complete engine is mandatory, and it may not be modified in any way except as specifically described in these regulations.

ii) The engine design and specification will be determined by the official Supplier in consultation with the Organizers. The engine design and specification may be changed at any time with the agreement of both the official Supplier and the series Organizer. New technologies (for example; materials, cylinder head and valve design, valve operating mechanisms, alternative fuels, etc.) are encouraged provided they meet the Series' principle of cost reduction and long- term cost control, and are agreed by the official Supplier and series Organizer.

iii) The official Supplier may change the specification of individual parts from time to time, as is normal to improve reliability and function.

iv) All engines supplied to teams must be equal in specification and the engine performance, as measured by the official Supplier under their standard dynamometer conditions, must be within the tolerance range agreed by the Organizer and the official Supplier.

v) A team may request a replacement engine on the grounds of substandard performance. Such request must be made in writing to the Technical Director accompanied by a deposit of €20,000 per engine paid to IRTA. If the Technical Director is satisfied that there is clear evidence of substandard performance a replacement engine may be issued with the approval of the Race Direction for the next race event. The original engine will be returned to the official Supplier at the end of the race event where the complaint is lodged to be tested under standard conditions by the official Supplier and the dynamometer report sent to the Technical Director. If the engine is deemed within specified performance parameters and fit for use, the same engine will be returned to the team for the following race and the team's deposit will be forfeited. If the engine is deemed to be outside of specified performance parameters and not fit for use, a replacement engine will be issued for the next race and the deposit will be returned to the team in full.

vi) The complete engine (‘engine' in these regulations) is defined as the supplied engine cases, covers and everything contained within, and including the following external parts supplied by the official Supplier:

a) Fuel system including airbox, air filter, fuel pump & regulator, throttle bodies, intake manifolds, air intake funnels, fuel injectors primary & secondary, fuel delivery lines and hoses. control unit).

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Electrical system including generator, ignition coils, ECU (engine electronic c) Lubrication system including oil filter, oil cooler, oil pressure switch.

Technical Specifications for 2012 for the MotoGP class
Capacity: up to 1,000cc
Number of maximum cylinders: 4
Maximum bore: ø 81 mm
Minimum weight: 150 kg (up to 800cc) and 153 kg (over 800cc)
Maximum number of engines available for use by each rider: 6
Fuel tank capacity: 21 liters

Exception for Claiming Rule Teams (CRT's) approved by the Grand Prix Commission. The definition will be published by the end of May.

Maximum number of engines available for use by each rider: 12
Fuel tank capacity: 24 liters

http://www.ultimatemotorcycling.com/2012_M...splacement_1000
 
That's just ..... Why would a satellite team get a better deal than the factories? Unless Pigeon & I are reading it wrong and the 12 engines / 24 litres is to attract additional "genuine" privateers al a FB Corse.

It's kind of unclear what a "Claiming Rule Team" is at the moment. autosport.com

There will also be no electronics abatement with the rules set like that, and IMO, the fuel limit and the reliability ..... are two of the chief culprits currently poised to try to sign the death warrant of motogp in 2010, especially given the strong looking WSBK field.
 
These rules confirm (as if it hasn't been confirmed beyond all doubt already) that Dorna has no clue what they are doing or how to fix a problem and that the factories are pulling the puppets strings in the absence of any genuine leadership or vision.

The next 2 years will be great years as the factories start to become more even and the racing benefits as a result. Then 2012/13 we will all be whining about the demise of the 800's and the great racing they produced in comparison to the mismatch of poorly thought out rules and regs that creates spread out fields involving 3 races within one of a handful of comparable bikes in each sub race.

I think WSBK should not stand in Dizzy's way as he continues on his determined path to .... MotoGP.
 
So 90% of the problem with MotoGP (fuel capacity), will remain unchanged for the next 5 years?

WSBK keeps getting better and better.
 
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- it's going to be VERY interesting around the definition of "Private"
 
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- it's going to be VERY interesting around the definition of "Private"
 
These are the current definitions from the rule book; Food for thought.

DEFINITIONS

The teams competing in MotoGP vary hugely in terms of their available budgets and their structure in terms of staff numbers, from the big name ‘factory’ teams, to the ‘satellite’ or ‘private’ teams participating in the three elite classes of the MotoGP World Championship.

As the name suggests, the factory teams are those most closely linked with the manufacturer they represent. Teams such as Repsol Honda and Fiat Yamaha are the MotoGP showcases for the ‘brand’ and the ‘technology’ of the respective manufacturers. Proving your worth in races to millions of motorcycle enthusiasts across the globe cannot be bad for sales.

Private teams, meanwhile, can also have close links with the manufacturers who provide their machinery, but their levels of collaboration with the factory differ from case to case – with some teams being completely separate from factories.

Some private teams lease their race bikes from the manufacturers and benefit from direct technical support and supply of parts from the factories dependent on their agreement. For the factories, feedback from these teams also plays a crucial role in their development of competitive racing machinery.

Many private teams throughout the three categories, meanwhile, are operated completely independently from the factories but again they lease their bikes from the manufacturers - LCR Honda MotoGP Team do this in the MotoGP class.
 
from mcn

Rules vary though for independent teams in MotoGP, now referred to as Claiming Rule Teams (CRT’s).

Further details on the system for CRT’s will work will be unveiled in May, but the likes of Tech 3 Yamaha and LCR Honda will be able to use 50 per cent more engines than a factory squad.

And it will be able to run a 24-litre fuel tank, opening the door for the independent teams to design and develop their own bike, much like the existing Moto2 format.

Edit.50% more oops mcn 12 engines is 100% more than the original 6
 
man this is all so wrong i bet if you asked a nursery of kids about rules they would come up with a way better solution...

hmmm will satelite hondas start to kick the factory's ...? we all know how starved of fuel the honda is, that motor will be an animal with extra fuel LOL

will the sattelite ducati's be running the screamer config or same as factory?

maybe they should make a special rule for suzuki? that will help there bikes keep up with other factory machines... when the other bikes are saving fuel maybe the 3 extra litres can help them to keep up.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Feb 18 2010, 01:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>man this is all so wrong i bet if you asked a nursery of kids about rules they would come up with a way better solution...

hmmm will satelite hondas start to kick the factory's ...? we all know how starved of fuel the honda is, that motor will be an animal with extra fuel LOL

will the sattelite ducati's be running the screamer config or same as factory?

maybe they should make a special rule for suzuki? that will help there bikes keep up with other factory machines... when the other bikes are saving fuel maybe the 3 extra litres can help them to keep up.
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I don't see the satellites seriously challenging the factory bikes - I'd bet that the first time it even started to look that way the supply of latest developments and parts from the "Factories" would just slow down or stop. These rules are just total BS and the way it looks to me is that no differentiation is being made (yet) between LCR Honda, Tech 3 Yam and Pramac Ducati - where would Kawasaki have been with their outsourced effort. Maybe we'll see Teams Fiat-Rossi, Marlboro (although I doubt it) -Stoner, Fiat-Spies, Repsol-Lorenzo and no factory bikes - wtf
 
Maybe private team will be defined as only those teams with it's own bike/engine?
All the lease teams will be sattelite teams and subject to the same ruels as the factory teams?
 
I would suggest that a team that operates like KR did when they built a chassis and then put a someone else's motor in it will be a private team. That motor will have to be a modified production based engine though not a fully fledged 800cc leased engine.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Feb 19 2010, 01:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I would suggest that a team that operates like KR did when they built a chassis and then put a someone else's motor in it will be a private team. That motor will have to be a modified production based engine though not a fully fledged 800cc leased engine.

Agree. I doubt even KR in the later years should be included as they did use a factory engine.
But before that, absolutely.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Feb 19 2010, 10:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Agree. I doubt even KR in the later years should be included as they did use a factory engine.
But before that, absolutely.
Dorna/motogp still have the problem that the flamminis have given every indication that they will sue if production based engines are introduced to motogp.
 
Must admit Ia starting to wonder if it is all an attempt to get the MGP numbers up by attracting "away" WSBK teams ???
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Feb 18 2010, 08:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I would suggest that a team that operates like KR did when they built a chassis and then put a someone else's motor in it will be a private team. That motor will have to be a modified production based engine though not a fully fledged 800cc leased engine.

This is starting to look like the road to Dorna produced chaos

Hi-tech, major development and big spending only comes from the factories.
If the factory teams are heavily penalized on number of engines and fuel consumption, they will either crank down the flow of technical advantages to the satellite teams or just generally slow down technical development. Any factory team that opts for the first of these strategies would possibly dominate and if only one of them goes down that road it would be a catastrophe – see AMA SBK prior to 2009 with Spies and Mladin swapping the lead on their “factory supported” Gixxers and the rest racing for 3rd place. Do we – or Dorna really want to see 2 factory bikes and it doesn’t matter if they are Yamaha, Honda or Ducati fighting for 2 out of 3 podium slots and the rest racing for third.

The biggest question is going to be - when is a satellite bike not a factory bike and what is the difference to being private?

Here are some thoughts on definitions:

1st the easy one: Factory bike = Factory prototype frame and engine PLUS latest technology, financed by factory and factory sponsors – big money with questionable pay back.

2nd - then it gets murky: Satellite bike = factory prototype frame and engine PLUS as much latest technology as the factory will deliver AND the satellite can afford to for, financed by satellite team and sponsors. Motto you get what you pay for - AND – if you can’t afford it - should you get a break in the rules AND HTF do you measure and control this? AND don’t overlook these folks are major indirect factory sponsors who pay a whole stack of money in leasing fees.

3rd – may be easier, but then the cross over to WSBK could make it a real mess – Private bike = own frame PLUS whatever prototype engine the team can afford OR factory prototype frame (maybe last year’s) PLUS self modified engine OR ???? – ImO these teams are the only folks who truly deserve a break in the rules.

One thing I’m sure of is that this going to be one of the best threads and there’ll be a lot of debate – Oh and even better nobody’s talking about the riders, but only the outlook for the sport
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Feb 19 2010, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dorna/motogp still have the problem that the flamminis have given every indication that they will sue if production based engines are introduced to motogp.
Sue is not equal to victory in court.
Wasn't Lex that wrote about the technical advancement in SBK. They call sbk bikes production based but the truth is that the production bikes are race based and the WSBK race bikes are nothing pure breed racing machines. I suspect that they are themselves balancing dangerously close to a limit where they should be sued for using prototype bikes themselves.
I also think that more people than Dorna are unhappy with the WSBK development and any production based machinery in MotoGP will be agreed upon behind closed doors.

The bike design are driven by SBK rules and possible competitive advantages incorporated into the design. Out of this they try to create a usable street bike.

Edit:
I would like a WSBK that is much closer to street bikes.
- Maximum price limit
- Very limited modifications allowed. Basically a Super Stock regulation.
- Must meet market with demand of bikes
 
The CRT cost schedules will be the most interesting, imo.

If the claiming prices for the engine are high enough, CRT teams might even have an advantage. What's to stop someone like BMW from supplying CRT teams while they spend time developing a 1000cc MotoGP bike?

Think about it. If BMW redesigns the top end, they plate the cylinders with silicon carbide, the redesign the crank and the crank case, and they fill the engine with BMW WSBK parts; they will have made a prototype engine according to the FIM WSBK rulebook. That engine would probably make 230hp all day long with 24L of fuel.

Will it come to pass? I guess it depends upon why the CRT rules were written. If Dorna is using the CRT rules to put the screws to the manufacturers b/c they aren't satisfied with the 81mm rules? or is Dorna trying to unload the expense of satellite bikes?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Feb 19 2010, 06:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sue is not equal to victory in court.
Wasn't Lex that wrote about the technical advancement in SBK. They call sbk bikes production based but the truth is that the production bikes are race based and the WSBK race bikes are nothing pure breed racing machines. I suspect that they are themselves balancing dangerously close to a limit where they should be sued for using prototype bikes themselves.
I also think that more people than Dorna are unhappy with the WSBK development and any production based machinery in MotoGP will be agreed upon behind closed doors.

The bike design are driven by SBK rules and possible competitive advantages incorporated into the design. Out of this they try to create a usable street bike.

Edit:
I would like a WSBK that is much closer to street bikes.
- Maximum price limit
- Very limited modifications allowed. Basically a Super Stock regulation.
- Must meet market with demand of bikes
I believe the flamminis have already been successful in stopping a privateer running an engine somewhat based on a production yamaha engine some years ago by legal means; I don't know whether this was contested particularly diligently, and presumably dorna would be fully behind any new rule allowing production based engines and would have some competence in hiring lawyers if nothing else.

I agree with you about WSBK (partcicularly as a motogp fan at heart), and have thought for some time that the convergence of the bikes in the two series is not sustainable, physics prohibiting two bodies occupying the same space simultaneously . The problem is that whether through greed, incompetence or whatever, FIM/ the motorcycle sport guys have effectively ceded control of the rules and everything else to commercial organisations who act in their own interests rather than in the interests of the sport as a whole, abstract though the concept of the interests of the sport may be. On recent evidence the flamminis appear to be significantly better than carmelo/dorna at devising rules, quite possibly because they were originally motor bike guys rather than accountants or merchant bankers
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