good read

Well I'm glad the politics of racing is exposed to a degree. West deserves alittle more credit I think. But that's Antfan's department. I'm sure he will jump on here and make a case why we should all love him. Haha, he's made a believer of some of us.

That was a good read. Thanks!

Great read, that is why I like Ant. The underdog is a very appealing tag to fans, it got me in and now I'm a dedicated follower of Ant.
Thanks for the link!

Great read ... thanks!

Now if only we had 4 Jerry Burgesses ...

One for Casey (although maybe not needed at the moment)
One for Chris the Vee and
One for Ant!

The fourth (and he would need to be a "Super" Jerry) could go and work with Pitty on that VERY Ill Mor!

It's crap really, the best riders should get a crack at it, end of. But it comes and goes in waves as to who is flavour of the month. Mainly down to what country is putting the most dough into racing at the time.

There is a push to get a Brit in there just now, but as much as I like the guy, I think Toseland is now too old to make the switch. It's gonna take a young rider, with the time and support to adapt, to make any kind of impact on GP. The future of GP racing is the guys like Stoner, who are coming in young and fast.

Toseland could probably do well in GP, but I cant see anyone picking him up as a long term investment, and it's that belief and support that a rider needs to make it from GP rider to race winner.

I don't want to see any Brit rider in there, just because of his passport, and making up numbers. I want to see someone go in there, and over a couple of seasons, start to make himself noticed at the front of the pack.

I'm not going to bother naming names as to who I think should be in there, it's not really a secret which guy in BSB I want to see move up, and there is UK talent in 250, and getting wildcards in 125. Lets start looking to those guys, and allow a Brit UK GP rider to develop, and not throw someone in for a season, then drop them for not performing instantly.

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Jul 5 2007, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>this rea kid seems to be the deal. i know most are stoked on jt gettin in there & he may do well. but imho i think this young rea kid needs to get in there now.


My sentiments exactly buddy.

Pete

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Jul 5 2007, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>this rea kid seems to be the deal. i know most are stoked on jt gettin in there & he may do well. but imho i think this young rea kid needs to get in there now.

Yeah totally, if it was my team i'd have Rea riding the bike before JT.

[quote name='basspete' date='Jul 5 2007, 10:17 PM' post='76319']
. Mainly down to what country is putting the most dough into racing at the time.
This applies when a rider is
a - Spanish
b - Italian
c - Useless

For more on how politics plays with riders read this interview with casey it is very informative on his crashes last year etc.

http://www.speedtv.com/articles/motogp/moto/38522/?page=1

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Jul 8 2007, 04:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>For more on how politics plays with riders read this interview with casey it is very informative on his crashes last year etc.

http://www.speedtv.com/articles/motogp/moto/38522/?page=1

Great article! thanks very much!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Jul 4 2007, 06:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>http://www.speedtv.com/articles/moto/motogp/38374/

I allready posted this link in the 'Ant West' thread.. I agree its a great read and says alot.. Give gas Ant!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TP70 @ Jul 7 2007, 11:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>http://www.speedtv.com/articles/motogp/moto/38522/?page=1
I have a few comments and impressions after reading this article.

Casey seems to be an honest guy. Also, it was interesting to note the ........ politics that go on in teams. It seems they were straight lying to the guy about his machine and package. Also, something that caught my eye is when he says, yeah they tell you we want you to win but not "you" to win--I think this sheds some light on the Spanish based/Spanish sponsored/Spanish big voice of Puig in regard to who is the truly the supported rider. ...., what a bad choice not going with Ducati has turned out to be. Not that Ducati had any better political outlook (after being turned down by the former and current champ) but at least they support who they got once they are signed. Casey sheds light on what some of us already can see about the politics of this sport. It was apparent last year who was their (Honda) hope for the future and it is again apparent, funny thing is the "wrong" guy won the title and the heir apparent wants to fly the coop. No respect.

I'm glad Casey is now in a position to reveal some of this ........ politics, but I'm sure a few will be quick to say he's lying or mistaken.

Great article.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jul 9 2007, 04:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I have a few comments and impressions after reading this article.

Casey seems to be an honest guy. Also, it was interesting to note the ........ politics that go on in teams. It seems they were straight lying to the guy about his machine and package. Also, something that caught my eye is when he says, yeah they tell you we won you to win but not "you" to win--I think this sheds some light on the Spanish based/Spanish sponsored/Spanish big voice of Puig in regard to who is the truly the supported rider. ...., what a bad choice not going with Ducati has turned out to be. Not that Ducati had any better political outlook (after being turned down by the former and current champ) but at least they support who they got once they are signed. Casey sheds light on what some of us already can see about the politics of this sport. It was apparent last year who was their (Honda) hope for the future and it is again apparent, funny thing is the "wrong" guy won the title and the heir apparent wants to fly the coop. No respect.

I'm glad Casey is now in a position to reveal some of this ........ politics, but I'm sure a few will be quick to say he's lying or mistaken.

Great article.

great read on both articles - thanks

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jul 9 2007, 05:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I have a few comments and impressions after reading this article.

Casey seems to be an honest guy. Also, it was interesting to note the ........ politics that go on in teams. It seems they were straight lying to the guy about his machine and package. Also, something that caught my eye is when he says, yeah they tell you we won you to win but not "you" to win--I think this sheds some light on the Spanish based/Spanish sponsored/Spanish big voice of Puig in regard to who is the truly the supported rider.

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I'm glad Casey is now in a position to reveal some of this ........ politics, but I'm sure a few will be quick to say he's lying or mistaken.

Amusing to see someone so fast to jump on other riders when they speak right from the hart, while as soon as someone "reveal" somthing are so eager to embrace it. I find it especially amusing as Rossi implied the same myserious changes in his bike/tires after Valencia and I seem to remember one or two that wanted to comment that. Interesting to see how two so similar quotes get so different reseption.

While I do like Stoner I have no illusions about him being the honest guy in the padoc that can tell us what was actually going on. I can't find a place where he actually reveal anything really. But I do see highly speculative theories that some outside the team activly sabotaged his bike. When this is not allready a huge sensation, and Honda sending all their lawyers at him, you can take for granted that everyone including honda just see a guy letting out some steam kept inside for a long time after what must have been a frustrating season.

That there is a pecing order is hardly a secret.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jul 11 2007, 09:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Amusing to see someone so fast to jump on other riders when they speak right from the hart, while as soon as someone "reveal" somthing are so eager to embrace it. I find it especially amusing as Rossi implied the same myserious changes in his bike/tires after Valencia and I seem to remember one or two that wanted to comment that. Interesting to see how two so similar quotes get so different reseption.

I thought the same

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Jul 11 2007, 01:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Amusing to see someone so fast to jump on other riders when they speak right from the hart, while as soon as someone "reveal" somthing are so eager to embrace it. I find it especially amusing as Rossi implied the same myserious changes in his bike/tires after Valencia and I seem to remember one or two that wanted to comment that. Interesting to see how two so similar quotes get so different reseption.

While I do like Stoner I have no illusions about him being the honest guy in the padoc that can tell us what was actually going on.
"Similar quotes"? Only similar if you have a visual/reading impartment.

"Myserious changes" hahahahahah. Fucken tell that to somebody who believes your not-credible ......... Dude, he (Rossi) didn't say it was a mystery. He said it explicitly. He said his tires were to blame for his crash, which was ........ to the nthe degree. Oh yeah, it was Valencia and Portugal. One (Portugal) he lost by .004 (not much of a case for inferior or “underperforming” tires) and the other he crashed—I guess this is that mysterious force of an unseen hand making the front end wash out, right? Hahah, you have no limit to the ........ you will write. Good thing most of us see through it. You are the number 1 apologist for when he doesn't win against Casey this year. It’s always the tires or the engine top speed/acceleration for you. But I discredited the ........ assertion, and all you could do is manage some lame post on that thread. You are a funny guy for sure, but not credible.

As far as revealing/exposing, I'm also talking about the politics of the sport. The favoritism some riders get over others when really it should be about talent.

Yes, we know there is a pecking order genius, but it is usually unspoken. Certainly not mentioned by those benefiting, so it is exposed (thought its general knowledge to us who see it) that this is the reality and not imagined. There are some here who think its all about talent, because when asked, they say ignorant things like, well he didn’t win that’s why they let him go, case and point West. But the rest of us know he didn’t really have a change to win cuz he wasn’t supported like the prima donnas like Pedrosa/Lorenzo in 250 at the time. And only when weather (rain) equalized the machines, was West able to shine. To these people, they think West was not worthy. This is what is exposed, this erroneous and misguided belief that its only about talent. But no, Casey says, its more than that, its about pecking order. Which is to expose the reality. Do you understand?


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jul 11 2007, 01:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I thought the same
Babel is comparing Casey's quote to the quote that Rossi said about his losses in Valencia and Portugal. Which were not "similar" unless you think a loss by the smallest ever margin, .004 sec was attributable to sabotage, tire failure, or as Babel like use the euphemism, "underperforming."

Well then if .004 sec can be blamed on tires, then I guess every close race win over .004 sec can be attributed to “poor” tires. Hahah. Yeah. I guess all those wins Rossi has is because the losers had “underperforming” tires.


But I guess, you "thought the same" thing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Jul 11 2007, 09:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Babel is comparing Casey's quote to the quote that Rossi said about his losses in Valencia and Portugal. Which were not "similar" unless you think a loss by the smallest ever margin, .004 sec was attributable to sabotage, tire failure, or as Babel like use the euphemism, "underperforming."

Well then if .004 sec can be blamed on tires, then I guess every close race win over .004 sec can be attributed to “poor” tires. Hahah. Yeah. I guess all those wins Rossi has is because the losers had “underperforming” tires.
But I guess, you "thought the same" thing.

It was just that when Rossi complained that his tyres were not performing as well as in practice and that was the reason for his loss and crash (valencia), you (and i agreed) said that rossi was making fairly poor rationalizations instead of looking to himself. Stoner has now done the same thing but you said he was honest and straight talking, to me it stinks of the same .....