Fuel Limits will be raised

I always go on and on about patterns in GP and reading between the lines. So I've decided to put myself on the hook and make a prediction.

Now that Dorna and the riders seem to have allied behind a control tire, a control tire should be announced for the 2009 season. I'm not sure what the structure of the deal will be, but I'm hoping it will be a single make tire rule for the 2009 season.

However, with WSBK times and motogp times being relatively close, I don't think DORNA will drop lap times by a second or more without some sort of "safe" compensatory legislation. Furthermore, I think that the other Japanese manufacturers are struggling with fuel, particularly Honda and Yamaha. Next year Honda has announced that it will run pneumatic technology for all of its machines. If Julian Ryder was correct, that's a very expensive proposition, I think they are banking on more fuel.

I suspect DORNA are going to raise the fuel limits by 1 liter to stop the embarrassing fuel episodes occurring on parade laps, or if you're Nicky, on the final bend. The additional fuel will also help keep the sport firmly ahead of WSBK after control tires are introduced. I don't think Ducati will have the power to stop it from happening. Maybe bad news for Nick, the pneumatic Honda lump is supposed to be amazing when it has enough drink.

I also think the manufacturers will add a top speed cap of 340kph to the manufacturers pact. The announcement will never see the light of day, and it will have very little impact on the sport since speeds of 340kph are only achievable at a few circuits. China is gone, so the max speed limitations should only come into play at Qatar, Mugello, maybe Aus. Keep your eyes peeled for technical announcements declaring that speeds in excess of 340kph don't produce better lap times. If Ducati says it, you know something is up

I'm on the hook.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 21 2008, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Maybe bad news for Nick, the pneumatic Honda lump is supposed to be amazing when it has enough drink.On the other hand, the extra fuel could maybe be used to make the duc a bit more his style.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mattsteg @ Aug 21 2008, 07:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>On the other hand, the extra fuel could maybe be used to make the duc a bit more his style.
Yeah with the extra fuel the Duc will be better as well.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 21 2008, 08:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I always go on and on about patterns in GP and reading between the lines. So I've decided to put myself on the hook and make a prediction.

I also think the manufacturers will add a top speed cap of 340kph to the manufacturers pact. The announcement will never see the light of day, and it will have very little impact on the sport since speeds of 340kph are only achievable at a few circuits. China is gone, so the max speed limitations should only come into play at Qatar, Mugello, maybe Aus. Keep your eyes peeled for technical announcements declaring that speeds in excess of 340kph don't produce better lap times. If Ducati says it, you know something is up

I'm on the hook.

Only dead give away when all the bikes have the unmisstakable TC sound at the end of the stretch.
Wouldn't be very smart trying to hide something everyone will hear right from the start of the winter tests.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Aug 22 2008, 05:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Only dead give away when all the bikes have the unmisstakable TC sound at the end of the stretch.
Wouldn't be very smart trying to hide something everyone will hear right from the start of the winter tests.


That would be a rev limiter sound at the end of the straight - TC is for corners and acceleration zones.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Aug 23 2008, 04:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That would be a rev limiter sound at the end of the straight - TC is for corners and acceleration zones.

Then, please explain the sound difference from a rev limiter and a TC. TC is also a pretty serious rev limiter when there is a serious slide starting.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Maybe bad news for Nick, the pneumatic Honda lump is supposed to be amazing when it has enough drink

I wouldn't read too much into it or you would see Nicky doing very quick laps during qualifying and maybe during practice. None of which we saw.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Aug 23 2008, 04:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Then, please explain the sound difference from a rev limiter and a TC. TC is also a pretty serious rev limiter when there is a serious slide starting.

Do you seriously think that at the end of a straight with a bike doing upward of 250km/h that the traction control is doing all that much. Traction control is really to stop the bike from doing a high side (although Lorenzo managed to get around that a number of times) as well as saving tyres by stopping excessive wheel spin.

I don't need to know the sound although I was sitting here laughing to myself making brrrrooom -sput-brrr-noises and trying to translate, but we'd been out to dinner and had a few and now my wife thinks I'm really .........

I know because rev limiters and traction control have different functions. At the end of a straight the brrrrooom -sput-brrr noise is a rev limiter.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Aug 24 2008, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Do you seriously think that at the end of a straight with a bike doing upward of 250km/h that the traction control is doing all that much. Traction control is really to stop the bike from doing a high side (although Lorenzo managed to get around that a number of times) as well as saving tyres by stopping excessive wheel spin.

I don't need to know the sound although I was sitting here laughing to myself making brrrrooom -sput-brrr-noises and trying to translate, but we'd been out to dinner and had a few and now my wife thinks I'm really .........

I know because rev limiters and traction control have different functions. At the end of a straight the brrrrooom -sput-brrr noise is a rev limiter.

It was just a bad choise of words. I made a reference to the TC as the sound of ignition stutter is very much the same, and rev limiters are seldom heard these days (exception china this year). I surly didn't mean to suggest that TC was doing anything at the end of the straight.