Edmondson made a post on the WERA forum

[mylexicon]

Apparently, JRP was suspended for an incident with Larry Pegram.

Anyway, Edmondson shows the side of himself that people hate. JU responds in a negative fashion, but then he reveals why he is allied with RE.

Good stuff.

LINK

Link to Road Racing World article that links to the WERA forum and the specific thread.

 

[povol]

Now that JU has officially jumped DMG's ship,you are about the only one left to defend this cluster .... known as The Premier Racing series in North America. This quote from JU pretty much sums up what us fans have been saying for over a year and is the reason i have not spent one penny on the series this year.

"The JRP situation is a perfect example, he's getting rail-roaded, it isn't right, I am against what has happened to him, and I have no relationship to him.

Bottom line: There has been a problem with this issue, Roger Edmondson agreed with me that there was a problem, said he was going to fix it, didn't fix it, is now defending the same thing he earlier said was wrong, and is now trying to warp the discussion into some sort of personal deal involving CU.

Conclusion: He's a liar. He should know better. And he cannot be trusted.

Now I know what the OEM guys were complaining about last year. You can't believe anything Roger Edmondson says. His story just keeps changing."

 

[mylexicon]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Sep 8 2009, 08:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Now that JU has officially jumped DMG's ship,you are about the only one left to defend this cluster .... known as The Premier Racing series in North America. This quote from JU pretty much sums up what us fans have been saying for over a year and is the reason i have not spent one penny on the series this year.

"The JRP situation is a perfect example, he's getting rail-roaded, it isn't right, I am against what has happened to him, and I have no relationship to him.

Bottom line: There has been a problem with this issue, Roger Edmondson agreed with me that there was a problem, said he was going to fix it, didn't fix it, is now defending the same thing he earlier said was wrong, and is now trying to warp the discussion into some sort of personal deal involving CU.

Conclusion: He's a liar. He should know better. And he cannot be trusted.

Now I know what the OEM guys were complaining about last year. You can't believe anything Roger Edmondson says. His story just keeps changing."

I don't defend Roger Edmondson, I defend his vision for the sport and his right to experiment with the AMA in order to find racing/entertainment formulas that work and achieve the objectives he has set forth for the AMA.

I've maintained from the beginning that it was stupid to take an institution with organizational problems and then proceed to change the sport without really changing any of the personnel. Let's face it, the AMA is full of bad apples and a lot of them need to be thrown out because they are spoiling the whole bushel.

It doesn't matter how much people hate Roger or DMG or anyone else that may come along, the AMA does not have the budget or the facilities to run WSBK spec equipment. Furthermore, it isn't proper to take a bunch of production bikes and race them without engine modification and without some kind of performance controls or parity rules. Production bikes simply aren't meant to be raced as is, they are designed by the factories to maintain a certain margin and they serve as a baseline machine that will be heavily modified for WSBK. If you're going to race them without major engine mods (a financial and safety necessity in the AMA) you've got to do some kind of performance indexing.

The problem with the AMA is that the fans and participants don't want to accept the trouble the sport is in. They don't want to believe that the ship was steered into the rocks. No progress will be made until people admit the trouble the sport is in.

 

[povol]

and it is worse now than it ever was under AMA's guidance. RE has got to go, along with performance indexed racing. They both suck, HARD!

 

[Mr. Shupe]

Roger must have changed recently, become bitter/grumpy from tense business dealings. Otherwise, how did he get so far with such poor PR?

Another thing, I still don't understand why it is that people think WSBK rules will solve the AMA's issues. Why is Infront successful? Does it really all come down to their technical regulations?

 

[Jumkie]

First of all, I am amazed that this man, of his position, would take to a forum and express himself this way. His post struck me as the most inappropriate place to air out information about this incident.

He totally sounded like a .... too.

On another note. If he is reading forums like that one (which seemed rather dull) then he must have a membership here (a much more knowledgeable and elevated forum).

Who’s the mole? Speak up.

 

[mylexicon]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Shupe @ Sep 8 2009, 01:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Roger must have changed recently, become bitter/grumpy from tense business dealings. Otherwise, how did he get so far with such poor PR?

Another thing, I still don't understand why it is that people think WSBK rules will solve the AMA's issues. Why is Infront successful? Does it really all come down to their technical regulations?

Yeah. I was disheartened to see that he had posted on WERA, and not only that he had posted, but that his posts were more of the "internet rant" genre.

If he's on the internet talking trash, it means he's fallen into the same political swamp that destroyed the other people who tried to run the AMA.

It's not good even if you don't like DMG.

 

[povol]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 8 2009, 07:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah. I was disheartened to see that he had posted on WERA, and not only that he had posted, but that his posts were more of the "internet rant" genre.

If he's on the internet talking trash, it means he's fallen into the same political swamp that destroyed the other people who tried to run the AMA.

It's not good even if you don't like DMG.
I personally think its great. Its the sign of desperation i have been looking for out of this clown.The end could be near. Did anyone read the whole thread where RE calls JU a little league dad. This pissing contest is just getting started. Like i have said before,you dont pick fights with people who buy ink by the barrel. Now he has pretty much the entire motorcycle press against him and the barbs are flying. I dont see how he thinks he can win,arrogance is a wonderful thing in RE's world.

 

[Jumkie]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Sep 8 2009, 04:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I personally think its great. Its the sign of desperation i have been looking for out of this clown.The end could be near. Did anyone read the whole thread where RE calls JU a little league dad. This pissing contest is just getting started. Like i have said before,you dont pick fights with people who buy ink by the barrel. Now he has pretty much the entire motorcycle press against him and the barbs are flying. I dont see how he thinks he can win,arrogance is a wonderful thing in RE's world.

Agree. Send me the link to the "little league dad" comment please. Geez, this guy RE is really showing his ....


(Hey Pov, you wanna hear something funny, every time I read your posts now I read them in the same hillbilly accent you have).

 

[povol]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 8 2009, 07:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Agree. Send me the link to the "little league dad" comment please. Geez, this guy RE is really showing his ....


(Hey Pov, you wanna hear something funny, every time I read your posts now I read them in the same hillbilly accent you have).

John, you want a Big Mac? Here's one. Every single time a rider was cited for jumping a start this season, from coast to coast, from unknowns to factory stars to riders whose daddy's have well subscribed web sites and newspapers, the penalty was exactly the same. Now, you and I agree that the penalty is too severe, but once it was delivered early this season to a single rider, it affected his points in that event and therefore in the championship, and it became necessary to deliver the same penalty for the same offense the rest of this year. I believe this is known as the "Big Mac Theory".

Therefore, I will not fire an official who has done exactly as the rule book and precedence call for him to do. However, if I was an entrant, I would give some consideration to firing a rider who made the same mistake more than once regarding this rule, particularly when the Race Directors have made it a point to stress the right time to put the bike in gear, and the absolute nature of the no movement rule. No one in the paddock doesn't know the penalty.

Your passion for this sport is only matched by your passion and love for your son, but please don't let the latter lead you to behave like a little league daddy.



(Hey Pov, you wanna hear something funny, every time I read your posts now I read them in the same hillbilly accent you have).

When i read that ,I got a mental picture of a tiny Mexican speaking southern hillbilly and lost it. It was like the first time i saw Margaret Cho do a stand up act.

 

[Jumkie]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Sep 8 2009, 05:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>John, you want a Big Mac?


When i read that ,I got a mental picture of a tiny Mexican speaking southern hillbilly and lost it. It was like the first time i saw Margaret Cho do a stand up act.

wow, RE is a total .....

Oh and ur comback...touche.

 

[DaddiiKong]

Jumkie- Do you understand the Big Mac comment? I'm surprised RE does.

The NTW guy needs to go.

 

[povol]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cankles @ Sep 9 2009, 07:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumkie- Do you understand the Big Mac comment? I'm surprised RE does.

The NTW guy needs to go.
RE Knows what the Big Mac Theory is,he just doesnt subscribe to it.Of course his point was that he does,but everyone knows better. For those that dont know what the hell the Big Mac Theory is,it was an article that JU wrote about the inconsistencies in DMG's rule book and how they interpret their own rules,or not.The theory was that,no matter where you go in the world,a Big Mac is a Big Mac,it is the same everywhere.Then you have DMG going in 14 different directions with their recipe.Anyway,RE has alienated his only supporter in the media world and this off season should be fun,fun,fun.I would love to be sitting in negotiations when RE is trying to extract huge sums of money out of the tracks he thinks he is going to be running on next year. He will come out bloodied and bruised and tell the fans how happy they are to be racing at Bob's Raceway in Buck Snort Arkansas.

 

[Jumkie]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cankles @ Sep 9 2009, 04:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Jumkie- Do you understand the Big Mac comment? I'm surprised RE does.

The NTW guy needs to go.
Yes. The idea of even handed consistency.

I just thought it was a low gib. Keep in mind, I act the fool in my casual life, but always professional at work. This guy RE doesn't realize that by acting this way he really lowers the bar. Just goes to show you that he really is a .... and confirms to us who already knew that he is an arrogant ........

 

[povol]

Now, Ben Bostrom is standing up for JRP and doesnt even like the guy. Ulrich is on a bigtime mission to discredit DMG.

http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=38115

 

[mylexicon]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Sep 16 2009, 04:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Now, Ben Bostrom is standing up for JRP and doesnt even like the guy. Ulrich is on a bigtime mission to discredit DMG.

http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=38115

This whole conflict is making less and less sense. JRP was suspended at Mid Ohio for specifically ignoring blue flags and affecting the outcome of the race. He was suspended indefinitely at NJMP, but we still don't know the source of the suspension. Edmondson never said why JRP was sent packing, only that JRP was committing acts detrimental to the sport. Everyone assumes this is in regards to the Pegram/Page incident that occurred during the race.

If JRP's suspension does have to do with the Pegram/Page incident, I would imagine it's probably related to the off-track incident when, according to Pegram, Page was mic'd up with his film crew in tow to capture more reality drama.

Personally, Ulrich is starting to get on my nerves. He doesn't really give a damn about the other riders in the paddock. The major rules complaints have been when Chris was given jump starts and now John seems to be on the warpath again b/c his team imploded at the end of the DSB season.

Personally, I think John is making it worse for JRP. Hacking was suspended indefinitely for swearing at the conclusion of a press conference (off the record). He was reinstated before the next round. The more John whines, the more likely DMG will dig in their heels rather than ring up JRP and come to an understanding for the beginning of next season.

John's just venting b/c his team threw away the DSB title.

 

[Jumkie]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Sep 16 2009, 04:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Now, Ben Bostrom is standing up for JRP and doesnt even like the guy. Ulrich is on a bigtime mission to discredit DMG.

http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=38115

OMG, this is worse than a soap.

He said she said, bla bla bla Pegram threatens Page Mladin threatens Pegram, DMG threatens Page, Bostrom says Pegram is wrong, but I don't like Page. What the .... is going on?

I blame the leadership. Why, because when there is no prudent guidance then the children will run amuck.

 

[povol]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Sep 16 2009, 10:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This whole conflict is making less and less sense. JRP was suspended at Mid Ohio for specifically ignoring blue flags and affecting the outcome of the race. He was suspended indefinitely at NJMP, but we still don't know the source of the suspension. Edmondson never said why JRP was sent packing, only that JRP was committing acts detrimental to the sport. Everyone assumes this is in regards to the Pegram/Page incident that occurred after the race.

If JRP's suspension does have to do with the Pegram/Page incident, I would imagine it's probably related to the off-track incident when, according to Pegram, Page was mic'd up with his film crew in tow to capture more reality drama.
Personally, Ulrich is starting to get on my nerves. He doesn't really give a damn about the other riders in the paddock. The major rules complaints have been when Chris was given jump starts and now John seems to be on the warpath again b/c his team imploded at the end of the DSB season.

Personally, I think John is making it worse for JRP. Hacking was suspended indefinitely for swearing at the conclusion of a press conference (off the record). He was reinstated before the next round. The more John whines, the more likely DMG will dig in their heels rather than ring up JRP and come to an understanding for the beginning of next season.

John's just venting b/c his team threw away the DSB title.
This has been rumored as the reason in some circles. The theory being,after the incident with Ludinton,JRP was told to leave his camera at home ,citing copyright infringment. When the camera crew was detected in his pissing contest with Pegram,he was suspended.

 

[Jumkie]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Sep 16 2009, 10:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This has been rumored as the reason in some circles. The theory being,after the incident with Ludinton,JRP was told to leave his camera at home ,citing copyright infringment. When the camera crew was detected in his pissing contest with Pegram,he was suspended.

They are pissed that DMG represented by Ludington were caught on tape being the unprofessional vindictive people they really are. Pegram already had an incident with Mladin, so we know the guy is willing to throw down. Page has basically caught these mean being less than profession and they want to X him out (eliminate the candid camera) for exposing them. DMG probably views Pegram as 'friendly' in that he disagreed with Mladin and that he decided not to boycott the race in Topeka.


BTW, how sad is Mladin, big mouth but can't back it up. He called out Pegram and said he wanted to punch him, Pegram calls his bluff and Mladin walks away with tail lodged way up & between his legs. Hahaha

 

[povol]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Sep 16 2009, 04:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>They are pissed that DMG represented by Ludington were caught on tape being the unprofessional vindictive people they really are. Pegram already had an incident with Mladin, so we know the guy is willing to throw down. Page has basically caught these mean being less than profession and they want to X him out (eliminate the candid camera) for exposing them. DMG probably views Pegram as 'friendly' in that he disagreed with Mladin and that he decided not to boycott the race in Topeka.


BTW, how sad is Mladin, big mouth but can't back it up. He called out Pegram and said he wanted to punch him, Pegram calls his bluff and Mladin walks away with tail lodged way up & between his legs. Hahaha

If that happened,it is way weak on Mladins part.