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Dovi speaks out against Ducati...and it's awesome

rezonator636

rezonator636

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For anyone who's curious as to why Ducati is having so much trouble, this interview with Dovi is a must-read:


 


http://www.sportrider.com/news/146_13090_dovisioso_speaks_out_ducati_motogp_troubles/


 


For those who don't have the time to read it, however, I'll summarize his points here:


 


1) The bike is crap


 


2) The people working on the bike are idiots


 


3) The 2014 prototype is little more than a figment of some designer's imagination 


 


4) Ducati is a glorified clown college.


 


 


My favorite quote from the article comes not from Dovi, but from an anonymous Duc employee, and it concerns Cal: 


 


"It will happen like with Dovizioso. He will arrive with strength, with the best intentions, but his attitude will change after two months like what happened with Dovizioso." 


 


So, now that Dovi has lobbed the bomb at Ducati, the question is this: how long before they fire him and hire Pol Espargaro? 


 
 
rezonator636
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For anyone who's curious as to why Ducati is having so much trouble, this interview with Dovi is a must-read:


 


http://www.sportrider.com/news/146_13090_dovisioso_speaks_out_ducati_motogp_troubles/


 


For those who don't have the time to read it, however, I'll summarize his points here:


 


1) The bike is crap


 


2) The people working on the bike are idiots


 


3) The 2014 prototype is little more than a figment of some designer's imagination 


 


4) Ducati is a glorified clown college.


 


 


My favorite quote from the article comes not from Dovi, but from an anonymous Duc employee, and it concerns Cal: 


 


"It will happen like with Dovizioso. He will arrive with strength, with the best intentions, but his attitude will change after two months like what happened with Dovizioso." 


 


So, now that Dovi has lobbed the bomb at Ducati, the question is this: how long before they fire him and hire Pol Espargaro? 
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I think the best option for Ducati would be a two or three year withdrawal from the sport.  They need to exit, start over, and then return at a later date.  If you look at Ducati from a bike sales standpoint, the company is doing reasonably well.  I think 2012 was their best year ever for total sales.  Q1 2013 saw a 5% drop but overall, their product lineup is varied and fairly stout.  Both racing programs are struggling but I think their SBK program could be repaired faster than their GP program.  Additionally, proddy bike racing seems more relevant to sales in my opinion.  


 


Ducati decimated their factory effort in SBK and are now paying the price.  GP is lost.  Honda is destroying the field and still outpacing everyone with future development.  Ducati will not catch them retooling an existing bike.  Yamaha is also in trouble in my opinion.  Lorenzo is the only reason Yamaha is relevant.  His skill alone keeps them alive.  Ducati have no chance to recover this gap making small changes to an existing frame.  


 


It's time to start over.  Ducati the bike manufacturer is doing fine.  Ducati's racing endeavor's are both failing.  Fix the one that's the "least bad" while scuttling the other seems prudent no?
 
levigarrett
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I think the best option for Ducati would be a two or three year withdrawal from the sport.  They need to exit, start over, and then return at a later date.  If you look at Ducati from a bike sales standpoint, the company is doing reasonably well.  I think 2012 was their best year ever for total sales.  Q1 2013 saw a 5% drop but overall, their product lineup is varied and fairly stout.  Both racing programs are struggling but I think their SBK program could be repaired faster than their GP program.  Additionally, proddy bike racing seems more relevant to sales in my opinion.  


 


Ducati decimated their factory effort in SBK and are now paying the price.  GP is lost.  Honda is destroying the field and still outpacing everyone with future development.  Ducati will not catch them retooling an existing bike.  Yamaha is also in trouble in my opinion.  Lorenzo is the only reason Yamaha is relevant.  His skill alone keeps them alive.  Ducati have no chance to recover this gap making small changes to an existing frame.  


 


It's time to start over.  Ducati the bike manufacturer is doing fine.  Ducati's racing endeavor's are both failing.  Fix the one that's the "least bad" while scuttling the other seems prudent no?
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Excellent post sir, I 100% agree about Ducati,  you are also correct about Yamaha, the Honda design still has room to improve, but I think Yamaha have reached the end of development of their current design.
 
Dovi just gets better as time goes on.


 


One of the interesting things coming up in this thread is the Yamaha. The Duc is a write off, we know this, but Yamaha is in big trouble with 20L methinks. And I agree, Jorge is the ONLY reason Yamaha is as relevant as it is at this point. Take him out of the picture and it's Honda 1-2 almost all season. Next year looks bleak.
 
Where is Balmy Baz when you need him?


 


Oh yeah, he's busy resolving the Syrian chemical warfare thang...
 
I,m here. But realistically, let's just say "I told you so" .....which lasts infinitely, so just assume it was said.







Oh and for the uneducated ........... its the VSG's!!!
 
Ducati get their funding from Marlboro and Dorna. They can't withdraw because they don't have the money to develop the bike. Ducati's competent personnel will be hired away, and they will have no say in the 2017 rules. Ducati have no good options. Even if Audi agreed to throw a bunch of money at this useless spec-tire fuel-limited formula, they might fix the problem in time for a completely new set of rules in 2017. Hold station and hope a coalition can be built to undermine these terrible rules. Aprilia are fellow Italians. Gobmeier is ex-BMW. Get those manufacturers in your court, and start prying the sport away from Honda and Yamaha.
 
bluegreen
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Dovi just gets better as time goes on.


 


One of the interesting things coming up in this thread is the Yamaha. The Duc is a write off, we know this, but Yamaha is in big trouble with 20L methinks. And I agree, Jorge is the ONLY reason Yamaha is as relevant as it is at this point. Take him out of the picture and it's Honda 1-2 almost all season. Next year looks bleak.
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The M1 is already set up for cornerspeed. Why would Yamaha be in trouble? HRC probably changed the regulations to keep Yamaha relevant, and give the HRC engineers a new challenge. Was it 12 months ago that Nakamoto was ranting about the importance of rule stability? :rolleyes:
 
mylexicon
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The M1 is already set up for cornerspeed. Why would Yamaha be in trouble? HRC probably changed the regulations to keep Yamaha relevant, and give the HRC engineers a new challenge. Was it 12 months ago that Nakamoto was ranting about the importance of rule stability? :rolleyes:
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When was the last time a Honda rider needed a lift back to the pits after the chequered flag?
 
Good point. Yamaha, with Lorenzo are just there at the limit. They need a decent #2, Lorenzo v the repsols is an unfair fight.
 
mylexicon
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Ducati get their funding from Marlboro and Dorna. They can't withdraw because they don't have the money to develop the bike. Ducati's competent personnel will be hired away, and they will have no say in the 2017 rules. Ducati have no good options. Even if Audi agreed to throw a bunch of money at this useless spec-tire fuel-limited formula, they might fix the problem in time for a completely new set of rules in 2017. Hold station and hope a coalition can be built to undermine these terrible rules. Aprilia are fellow Italians. Gobmeier is ex-BMW. Get those manufacturers in your court, and start prying the sport away from Honda and Yamaha.
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According to Dovi, they're already gone. 
 
Wait, wait, wait, where in hell has Dovi been in the last 5 years or so? ...., if the fans know Duc builds a ...... bike then how the hell can he not know what he was getting into? Then again, The Doctor ignored the warning signs as well. Let's just label Ducati as 'I'm not in the frame for a factory ride at either HRC/Yam, so I'll just take the Marlboro money and convince my self-denying self that it will get better!'
 
eltoro
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Wait, wait, wait, where in hell has Dovi been in the last 5 years or so? ...., if the fans know Duc builds a ...... bike then how the hell can he not know what he was getting into? Then again, The Doctor ignored the warning signs as well. Let's just label Ducati as 'I'm not in the frame for a factory ride at either HRC/Yam, so I'll just take the Marlboro money and convince my self-denying self that it will get better!'
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I think he knew, but he also thought he was good enough to overcome the problems. How he thought he could succeed where Rossi failed is a mystery, but I think his head got so big from the results he got on the Tech 3 that he couldn't think straight anymore. Cal's fallen into the same trap. 
 
There is no light at the end of the tunnel for Dovi & I can't see Cal keeping his mouth shut for too long once he rides the Duc.


They just don't seem to be making any head way. Would love to see them up the pointy end again.
 
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rezonator636
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I think he knew, but he also thought he was good enough to overcome the problems. How he thought he could succeed where Rossi failed is a mystery, but I think his head got so big from the results he got on the Tech 3 that he couldn't think straight anymore. Cal's fallen into the same trap. 
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Or, he knew what he was getting in to, but went there anyway for the paycheck.
 
Dr No
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When was the last time a Honda rider needed a lift back to the pits after the chequered flag?
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Heavier riders are going to be fooked.  21 litres was a ..... idea - 20 is going to be worse.


 


But probably not so much worse that the CRT yams (2013 bike w dorna ECU & 24 litres) will quite be able to challenge the top 4 bikes.  When that actually happens Honda will stop ....... around.
 

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