Hats off to Toseland! After half the race his tyres were obviously suffering and he rode the rest of the race briliantly! Cannot understand how Dovi can complain about anything, good block riding on a production based bike is what it takes to stay at the sharp end. Toseland looked the rider we thought he should be at PI
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mr-brightside @ Oct 7 2008, 09:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hats off to Toseland! After half the race his tyres were obviously suffering and he rode the rest of the race briliantly! Cannot understand how Dovi can complain about anything, good block riding on a production based bike is what it takes to stay at the sharp end. Toseland looked the rider we thought he should be at PI
Totally agree, I'm all for agressive but not dangerous riding. The move Dovi is complaining about was not shown on tv so we can't really say wheather it was over aggressive or not, at least with the Luguna battle we knew how agressive Rossi was. I think we've been too quick to jump at Dovi and call him a pre madonna when we did'nt even see the move
Totally agree, I'm all for agressive but not dangerous riding. The move Dovi is complaining about was not shown on tv so we can't really say wheather it was over aggressive or not, at least with the Luguna battle we knew how agressive Rossi was. I think we've been too quick to jump at Dovi and call him a pre madonna when we did'nt even see the move
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnny @ Oct 7 2008, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Totally agree, I'm all for agressive but not dangerous riding. The move Dovi is complaining about was not shown on tv so we can't really say wheather it was over aggressive or not, at least with the Luguna battle we knew how agressive Rossi was. I think we've been too quick to jump at Dovi and call him a pre madonna when we did'nt even see the move
Fair point, but there have been many "bold" moves in the sport over the years. Think of Rainy, Schwantz et al. Looking at how he was in the rest of the race, I cant see Toseland suddenly becoming super dangerous. But hopefully youtube will air some footage for us to see.
Fair point, but there have been many "bold" moves in the sport over the years. Think of Rainy, Schwantz et al. Looking at how he was in the rest of the race, I cant see Toseland suddenly becoming super dangerous. But hopefully youtube will air some footage for us to see.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mr-brightside @ Oct 7 2008, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Fair point, but there have been many "bold" moves in the sport over the years. Think of Rainy, Schwantz et al. Looking at how he was in the rest of the race, I cant see Toseland suddenly becoming super dangerous. But hopefully youtube will air some footage for us to see.
Looking 20 years into the past will not achieve an appropriate standard, the sport has moved on.
Looking 20 years into the past will not achieve an appropriate standard, the sport has moved on.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Oct 7 2008, 02:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Looking 20 years into the past will not achieve an appropriate standard, the sport has moved on.
Im sure "the sport" is racing, and racers will do what they can to get in front/stay in front.
There has always been hard and close racing, and there always will be. Probably more trust needed in each other then because of lower safety standards. Not much whining then though.
Im sure "the sport" is racing, and racers will do what they can to get in front/stay in front.
There has always been hard and close racing, and there always will be. Probably more trust needed in each other then because of lower safety standards. Not much whining then though.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mr-brightside @ Oct 7 2008, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Im sure "the sport" is racing, and racers will do what they can to get in front/stay in front.
There has always been hard and close racing, and there always will be. Probably more trust needed in each other then because of lower safety standards. Not much whining then though.
Exactly, the machines, facilities and racing attitudes have changed and will continue to do so. What was acceptable then might well not be now so using such history as a point of reference gives no relevant perspective to here and now.
There has always been hard and close racing, and there always will be. Probably more trust needed in each other then because of lower safety standards. Not much whining then though.
Exactly, the machines, facilities and racing attitudes have changed and will continue to do so. What was acceptable then might well not be now so using such history as a point of reference gives no relevant perspective to here and now.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Oct 7 2008, 02:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Exactly, the machines, facilities and racing attitudes have changed and will continue to do so. What was acceptable then might well not be now so using such history as a point of reference gives no relevant perspective to here and now.
But if safety has improved, and hard racing was acceptable then, it should be more acceptable now then?
But if safety has improved, and hard racing was acceptable then, it should be more acceptable now then?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mr-brightside @ Oct 7 2008, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But if safety has improved, and hard racing was acceptable then, it should be more acceptable now then?
I don't think the idea of improving safetey standards is to allow the riders to take further liberties to restore the same level of risk. Either way, i don't set the trends, but a lot of the harder moves made in the past would not be acceptable now.
I don't think the idea of improving safetey standards is to allow the riders to take further liberties to restore the same level of risk. Either way, i don't set the trends, but a lot of the harder moves made in the past would not be acceptable now.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 6 2008, 11:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Totally agree Roger. In fact, I think I said the exact same thing you said after a race I saw, I think it was...uhm, oh yeah, Turkey.
Anyway, I just finished watching last year's WSBK race in France. It was the season finale. I really suggest you guys look up a torrent and find this race. You will see what "close" racing is really like!
Max Biaggi and Troy Corser touched so much I though Corser would get HIV.
It really sucks that in MotoGP, two guys even come close to touching (not even touching, just near) and we got a few kids crying about being too "dangerous".
Man up Dovi, Repsol Honda is already booked up with a whiner.
i think you will find i said pretty much the same thing back then my old friend. i have no time for pre madona attitudes in racing regardless of who the racer is. but saying that scud was taking this "close" racing to new extremes,wouldnt you agree ?.
Anyway, I just finished watching last year's WSBK race in France. It was the season finale. I really suggest you guys look up a torrent and find this race. You will see what "close" racing is really like!
Max Biaggi and Troy Corser touched so much I though Corser would get HIV.
It really sucks that in MotoGP, two guys even come close to touching (not even touching, just near) and we got a few kids crying about being too "dangerous".
Man up Dovi, Repsol Honda is already booked up with a whiner.
i think you will find i said pretty much the same thing back then my old friend. i have no time for pre madona attitudes in racing regardless of who the racer is. but saying that scud was taking this "close" racing to new extremes,wouldnt you agree ?.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Oct 7 2008, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>but saying that scud was taking this "close" racing to new extremes,wouldnt you agree ?.
Yea how dare he be so bold as to overtake Rossi, there's no room for that in our beloved sport
Yea how dare he be so bold as to overtake Rossi, there's no room for that in our beloved sport
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Oct 7 2008, 03:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't think the idea of improving safetey standards is to allow the riders to take further liberties to restore the same level of risk. Either way, i don't set the trends, but a lot of the harder moves made in the past would not be acceptable now.
Think its more about the riders now. It used to be a case of "sort it out in private later", whereas now it is posted in the press (who stick their two peneth in) for the whole world to see. I see the racing to be just as hard lately as its ever been.
Think its more about the riders now. It used to be a case of "sort it out in private later", whereas now it is posted in the press (who stick their two peneth in) for the whole world to see. I see the racing to be just as hard lately as its ever been.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mr-brightside @ Oct 7 2008, 03:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Think its more about the riders now. It used to be a case of "sort it out in private later", whereas now it is posted in the press (who stick their two peneth in) for the whole world to see. I see the racing to be just as hard lately as its ever been.
I don't think the general standard has changed much myself, but i think controversial situations are considerably more liley to feature some external intervention than in the past.
I don't think the general standard has changed much myself, but i think controversial situations are considerably more liley to feature some external intervention than in the past.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mr-brightside @ Oct 7 2008, 06:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hats off to Toseland! After half the race his tyres were obviously suffering and he rode the rest of the race briliantly! Cannot understand how Dovi can complain about anything, good block riding on a production based bike is what it takes to stay at the sharp end. Toseland looked the rider we thought he should be at PI
'Production based bike' i like that, ha ha.
'Production based bike' i like that, ha ha.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Oct 7 2008, 03:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yea how dare he be so bold as to overtake Rossi, there's no room for that in our beloved sport
overtaking a rider or using the rider as your brakes are 2 different things tom
overtaking a rider or using the rider as your brakes are 2 different things tom
