When's the last time you took a video camera into a concert? Never. The internet making everything free thing is an illusion. Everyone is starting to think that they can do anything they want with anything they want anytime they want. It's kind of childish. If my bike was sitting in the showroom and someone said that the sales guy wasn't looking so I should just take it I wouldn't. I gladly paid for it. I paid the lowest I could but really I was willing to pay for it out of gratitude and respect. People just have to realize that if they want something and haven't got the money they are going without it. Just like the old mother in law thing. I am paying and watching other people gripe about not getting it for nothing...while I cover the cost.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jun 22 2009, 02:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>When's the last time you took a video camera into a concert? Never. The internet making everything free thing is an illusion. Everyone is starting to think that they can do anything they want with anything they want anytime they want. It's kind of childish. If my bike was sitting in the showroom and someone said that the sales guy wasn't looking so I should just take it I wouldn't. I gladly paid for it. I paid the lowest I could but really I was willing to pay for it out of gratitude and respect. People just have to realize that if they want something and haven't got the money they are going without it. Just like the old mother in law thing. I am paying and watching other people gripe about not getting it for nothing...while I cover the cost.
i see your point, but i was picking up on your ownership comment. who owns the right to film/images you took yourself at a race.
in answer to your question tho. i was recently given a ticket to see Katie Melua at a concert . i couldn't go so gave the ticket to a friend. He videoed her on stage and later contacted her people and asked permission to post these videos on youtube. They said they felt flattered and had no objection what so ever. I think if dorna are going to claim ownership on all images even if you took them yourself they should state this on the ticket.
If you visit this thread link you will see many images i took from the race and posted as have other members. we all enjoy looking at these images for "free" on a public forum. Is this wrong ?
i see your point, but i was picking up on your ownership comment. who owns the right to film/images you took yourself at a race.
in answer to your question tho. i was recently given a ticket to see Katie Melua at a concert . i couldn't go so gave the ticket to a friend. He videoed her on stage and later contacted her people and asked permission to post these videos on youtube. They said they felt flattered and had no objection what so ever. I think if dorna are going to claim ownership on all images even if you took them yourself they should state this on the ticket.
If you visit this thread link you will see many images i took from the race and posted as have other members. we all enjoy looking at these images for "free" on a public forum. Is this wrong ?
No, but content that dorna EXPLICITELY claim copyright to are removed, not pictures took on a personal camera.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rickyduck @ Jun 22 2009, 04:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No, but content that dorna EXPLICITELY claim copyright to are removed, not pictures took on a personal camera.
so why short video took on a personal video camera ?
so why short video took on a personal video camera ?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jun 22 2009, 06:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>When's the last time you took a video camera into a concert? Never. The internet making everything free thing is an illusion. Everyone is starting to think that they can do anything they want with anything they want anytime they want. It's kind of childish. If my bike was sitting in the showroom and someone said that the sales guy wasn't looking so I should just take it I wouldn't. I gladly paid for it. I paid the lowest I could but really I was willing to pay for it out of gratitude and respect. People just have to realize that if they want something and haven't got the money they are going without it. Just like the old mother in law thing. I am paying and watching other people gripe about not getting it for nothing...while I cover the cost.
We know the value of access to our eyes. We are willing to let advertisers and show producers have access to our attention span as long as they provide us with good media content.
We are not ripping anyone off; instead, we are being ripped off. We have been ripped off for centuries because that is the way the societal contract has always been. It's not childish to demand renegotiation of terms now that more companies are vying for more of our time and more of our money. It's not childish to expect media providers to give us access to their product while they advertise to us on their website.
Many of the world's biggest and wealthiest companies are media agencies. Where do you think their new record profits are coming from? From the ads the show us without paying us a dime?
I believe it is still unfeasible for media companies to pay tens of millions of viewers tiny amounts of money for watching ads, but as the value of our time and our attention span grows, the quality of the media and our access to the media needs to improve as well.
Dorna don't understand.
We know the value of access to our eyes. We are willing to let advertisers and show producers have access to our attention span as long as they provide us with good media content.
We are not ripping anyone off; instead, we are being ripped off. We have been ripped off for centuries because that is the way the societal contract has always been. It's not childish to demand renegotiation of terms now that more companies are vying for more of our time and more of our money. It's not childish to expect media providers to give us access to their product while they advertise to us on their website.
Many of the world's biggest and wealthiest companies are media agencies. Where do you think their new record profits are coming from? From the ads the show us without paying us a dime?
I believe it is still unfeasible for media companies to pay tens of millions of viewers tiny amounts of money for watching ads, but as the value of our time and our attention span grows, the quality of the media and our access to the media needs to improve as well.
Dorna don't understand.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jun 22 2009, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We know the value of access to our eyes. We are willing to let advertisers and show producers have access to our attention span as long as they provide us with good media content.
We are not ripping anyone off; instead, we are being ripped off. We have been ripped off for centuries because that is the way the societal contract has always been. It's not childish to demand renegotiation of terms now that more companies are vying for more of our time and more of our money. It's not childish to expect media providers to give us access to their product while they advertise to us on their website.
Many of the world's biggest and wealthiest companies are media agencies. Where do you think their new record profits are coming from? From the ads the show us without paying us a dime?
I believe it is still unfeasible for media companies to pay tens of millions of viewers tiny amounts of money for watching ads, but as the value of our time and our attention span grows, the quality of the media and our access to the media needs to improve as well.
Dorna don't understand.
They understand lex, there just ....... greedy. got to give the sharholder more and more dividends at the expence of there customers. its the capitalist way.
We are not ripping anyone off; instead, we are being ripped off. We have been ripped off for centuries because that is the way the societal contract has always been. It's not childish to demand renegotiation of terms now that more companies are vying for more of our time and more of our money. It's not childish to expect media providers to give us access to their product while they advertise to us on their website.
Many of the world's biggest and wealthiest companies are media agencies. Where do you think their new record profits are coming from? From the ads the show us without paying us a dime?
I believe it is still unfeasible for media companies to pay tens of millions of viewers tiny amounts of money for watching ads, but as the value of our time and our attention span grows, the quality of the media and our access to the media needs to improve as well.
Dorna don't understand.
They understand lex, there just ....... greedy. got to give the sharholder more and more dividends at the expence of there customers. its the capitalist way.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jun 22 2009, 12:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>They understand lex, there just ....... greedy. got to give the sharholder more and more dividends at the expence of there customers. its the capitalist way.
Rog, Bridgepoint capital need DORNA to maximize the number of viewers. That is all they care about--maximizing viewers (in order to maximize licensing fees) and reducing operating expenses.
Restricting free advertising is not part of the strategy. The only reason free youtube advertising and shareholder profits are at odds with one another is due to Dorna's piss-poor business model.
The ability to share media properties with other people in a non-commercial fashion is/was part of capitalism. Unfortunately, Dorna are not willing to allow youtube to earn profits for hosting motogp content (outside of the negotiated channel agreement).
MotoGP doesn't want fans, it wants monopoly pricing power.
Rog, Bridgepoint capital need DORNA to maximize the number of viewers. That is all they care about--maximizing viewers (in order to maximize licensing fees) and reducing operating expenses.
Restricting free advertising is not part of the strategy. The only reason free youtube advertising and shareholder profits are at odds with one another is due to Dorna's piss-poor business model.
The ability to share media properties with other people in a non-commercial fashion is/was part of capitalism. Unfortunately, Dorna are not willing to allow youtube to earn profits for hosting motogp content (outside of the negotiated channel agreement).
MotoGP doesn't want fans, it wants monopoly pricing power.
I have emailed DORNA about their policy on personal photos and videos. If they respond I will let you know.
We are not entitled to anything that someone else owns. No matter how much we want it.
We are not entitled to anything that someone else owns. No matter how much we want it.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jun 23 2009, 07:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I have emailed DORNA about their policy on personal photos and videos. If they respond I will let you know.
I've email them, sent letters, etc, about their ...... service when it goes down, I have yet to hear from them in over a year. Good luck.
I've email them, sent letters, etc, about their ...... service when it goes down, I have yet to hear from them in over a year. Good luck.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jun 23 2009, 05:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've email them, sent letters, etc, about their ...... service when it goes down, I have yet to hear from them in over a year. Good luck.
Did you write to them in english or spanish ? try sticking a repsol sticker on the envelope
Did you write to them in english or spanish ? try sticking a repsol sticker on the envelope
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jun 23 2009, 07:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We are not entitled to anything that someone else owns. No matter how much we want it.
Tell that to the employees who get stock options or who participate in employee-ownership programs.
Once upon a time, companies believed that employee ownership was going to destroy the private sector. Then they realized that employee ownership reduced worker turnover, improved productivity, and netted cash for the company. Healthy cash flow and increased profits stopped shareholders from crying foul.
Once upon a time, media executives restricted their content because they didn't want other people to have on demand access to it. Then they realized that they could put very short ads in flash media TV shows on the net. It cost them very little to set up, and it increased revenues by growing viewership during primetime TV.
That day hasn't come yet for motogp, but I will remember you when it does. I'm sure it can't be much longer now. Most major media outlets already let you watch their TV shows on demand for free.
We are not entitled to anything that doesn't contain ads. Once advertising enters the picture we are generating revenues for the media owners and we are allowed to start collective bargaining. In the past we got to view the media for free whenever it was shown. Media profits continue to soar so the value of our time is worth more than free content shown at arbitrary times.
We want content whenever we say we want it, and we want to be able to post it on youtube, even if youtube is a for profit media hosting company.
They may not agree to those terms, but I'm withholding membership monies until they do. If their product improves drastically I will reexamine my position.
PS - none of this would have happened if they had kept the 990s. The product would be so good I'd be willing to put up with Dorna's underhanded tactics.
Tell that to the employees who get stock options or who participate in employee-ownership programs.
Once upon a time, companies believed that employee ownership was going to destroy the private sector. Then they realized that employee ownership reduced worker turnover, improved productivity, and netted cash for the company. Healthy cash flow and increased profits stopped shareholders from crying foul.
Once upon a time, media executives restricted their content because they didn't want other people to have on demand access to it. Then they realized that they could put very short ads in flash media TV shows on the net. It cost them very little to set up, and it increased revenues by growing viewership during primetime TV.
That day hasn't come yet for motogp, but I will remember you when it does. I'm sure it can't be much longer now. Most major media outlets already let you watch their TV shows on demand for free.
We are not entitled to anything that doesn't contain ads. Once advertising enters the picture we are generating revenues for the media owners and we are allowed to start collective bargaining. In the past we got to view the media for free whenever it was shown. Media profits continue to soar so the value of our time is worth more than free content shown at arbitrary times.
We want content whenever we say we want it, and we want to be able to post it on youtube, even if youtube is a for profit media hosting company.
They may not agree to those terms, but I'm withholding membership monies until they do. If their product improves drastically I will reexamine my position.
PS - none of this would have happened if they had kept the 990s. The product would be so good I'd be willing to put up with Dorna's underhanded tactics.
<span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%WSBK WENT HD ON EUROSPORT
<span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%I guess motogp isnt the leader in everything. They must have some extra cash over there in WSBK
<span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%I guess motogp isnt the leader in everything. They must have some extra cash over there in WSBK
I emailed them that I would prefer if they put the graphic showing the top ten at the side of their race graphic window instead of their main page so I wouldn't have to tab between two windows to see who was where. They emailed me back within 1 day a personal note thanking me for the suggestion.
And...here is their reply:
Dear Customer,
Dorna's policy concerning the taking of pictures and video at the races is clearly posted at the entrance of the circuits during the events, and either the ticket or passes explain that such policy is applicable. Ticket and passes include also a pictogram establishing that no filming should take place during the Event.
Please red carefully all terms and conditions posted at the entrance of the circuits and in your ticket or pass.
Therefore, filming is not allowed, and taking still pictures can only be allowed subject to laws and regulations. Recording the face or recognition of other people without there consent, can be an infringement of image rights.
The infringement of the filming restriction can carry serious damages for the infringer, depending on the damages caused to the exclusivity or Dorna in any media (including Internet.)
Filming is only permitted when Dorna has authorized some professionals to carry on such activity. And even then, Dorna owns the copyright of such footage.
Kind Regards
Dear Customer,
Dorna's policy concerning the taking of pictures and video at the races is clearly posted at the entrance of the circuits during the events, and either the ticket or passes explain that such policy is applicable. Ticket and passes include also a pictogram establishing that no filming should take place during the Event.
Please red carefully all terms and conditions posted at the entrance of the circuits and in your ticket or pass.
Therefore, filming is not allowed, and taking still pictures can only be allowed subject to laws and regulations. Recording the face or recognition of other people without there consent, can be an infringement of image rights.
The infringement of the filming restriction can carry serious damages for the infringer, depending on the damages caused to the exclusivity or Dorna in any media (including Internet.)
Filming is only permitted when Dorna has authorized some professionals to carry on such activity. And even then, Dorna owns the copyright of such footage.
Kind Regards
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jun 30 2009, 02:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And...here is their reply:
Dear Customer,
Dorna's policy concerning the taking of pictures and video at the races is clearly posted at the entrance of the circuits during the events, and either the ticket or passes explain that such policy is applicable. Ticket and passes include also a pictogram establishing that no filming should take place during the Event.
Please red carefully all terms and conditions posted at the entrance of the circuits and in your ticket or pass.
Therefore, filming is not allowed, and taking still pictures can only be allowed subject to laws and regulations. Recording the face or recognition of other people without there consent, can be an infringement of image rights.
The infringement of the filming restriction can carry serious damages for the infringer, depending on the damages caused to the exclusivity or Dorna in any media (including Internet.)
Filming is only permitted when Dorna has authorized some professionals to carry on such activity. And even then, Dorna owns the copyright of such footage.
Kind Regards
well if that's there line then maybe they better be careful filming themselves. A member of the crowd may feel there rights have been breached should they be captured. In fact im in a motogp dvd. i dont remember giving dorna permission to use my image to make money . wankers
Dear Customer,
Dorna's policy concerning the taking of pictures and video at the races is clearly posted at the entrance of the circuits during the events, and either the ticket or passes explain that such policy is applicable. Ticket and passes include also a pictogram establishing that no filming should take place during the Event.
Please red carefully all terms and conditions posted at the entrance of the circuits and in your ticket or pass.
Therefore, filming is not allowed, and taking still pictures can only be allowed subject to laws and regulations. Recording the face or recognition of other people without there consent, can be an infringement of image rights.
The infringement of the filming restriction can carry serious damages for the infringer, depending on the damages caused to the exclusivity or Dorna in any media (including Internet.)
Filming is only permitted when Dorna has authorized some professionals to carry on such activity. And even then, Dorna owns the copyright of such footage.
Kind Regards
well if that's there line then maybe they better be careful filming themselves. A member of the crowd may feel there rights have been breached should they be captured. In fact im in a motogp dvd. i dont remember giving dorna permission to use my image to make money . wankers
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jun 30 2009, 09:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well if that's there line then maybe they better be careful filming themselves. A member of the crowd may feel there rights have been breached should they be captured. I<span style="font-family:Arial Blackn fact im in a motogp dvd. i dont remember giving dorna permission to use my image to make money . wankers
damn rog you better get on that! they owe you some kind of royalty i would imagine$$$$$$$
damn rog you better get on that! they owe you some kind of royalty i would imagine$$$$$$$
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Jun 30 2009, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>damn rog you better get on that! they owe you some kind of royalty i would imagine$$$$$$$
Dorna cant have there cake and eat it !
If they were to take action out against me for taking stills or video while at a race i may then counter claim with the motogp dvd in question as evidence.
Dorrna want to remember who butter there bread !
Dorna cant have there cake and eat it !
If they were to take action out against me for taking stills or video while at a race i may then counter claim with the motogp dvd in question as evidence.
Dorrna want to remember who butter there bread !
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Jun 30 2009, 10:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dorna cant have there cake and eat it !
If they were to take action out against me for taking stills or video while at a race i may then counter claim with the motogp dvd in question as evidence.
Dorrna want to remember who butter there bread !
That has got to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard… The air is Public Domain, they don’t own it, they should not show their ugly faces on-air if they don’t want someone to take a picture!!! Just joking!!!
What if I am on a mountain hill nearby with bloody telescopic lenses and am able to take a picture of Espeleta’s hideous face. Is it forbidden to post it in Internet? Just joking again!!!
They should then roof the whole tracks, we would benefit too with no ‘rain races’!
If they were to take action out against me for taking stills or video while at a race i may then counter claim with the motogp dvd in question as evidence.
Dorrna want to remember who butter there bread !
That has got to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard… The air is Public Domain, they don’t own it, they should not show their ugly faces on-air if they don’t want someone to take a picture!!! Just joking!!!
What if I am on a mountain hill nearby with bloody telescopic lenses and am able to take a picture of Espeleta’s hideous face. Is it forbidden to post it in Internet? Just joking again!!!
They should then roof the whole tracks, we would benefit too with no ‘rain races’!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Jun 30 2009, 06:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That has got to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard… The air is Public Domain, they don’t own it, they should not show their ugly faces on-air if they don’t want someone to take a picture!!! Just joking!!!
What if I am on a mountain hill nearby with bloody telescopic lenses and am able to take a picture of Espeleta’s hideous face. Is it forbidden to post it in Internet? Just joking again!!!
They should then roof the whole tracks, we would benefit too with no ‘rain races’!
It just shows there's no end to Dorna's paranoia about they may not be making money from us in every possible way
What if I am on a mountain hill nearby with bloody telescopic lenses and am able to take a picture of Espeleta’s hideous face. Is it forbidden to post it in Internet? Just joking again!!!
They should then roof the whole tracks, we would benefit too with no ‘rain races’!
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