Dorna is changing the rules during the game...again

Dorna, a gathering of very competent people, right? I wonder what triggered this time the rules to be changed?


MotoGP?

Who knows. The new tech regs only affect moto 3 and 2.

Crash helmets??? Never heard of a crew member being injured during a race. A stupid idea - given it makes more difficult communication between crew members in racing conditions when the most noise is being made. It doesn't specify full face - tho even a half helmet would be awkward for techs reaching into tight spaces, especially two techs working side by side. I could see it if it were only when crew were assisting in fast bike changes in flag to flag.

Keshav said:

Crash helmets??? Never heard of a crew member being injured during a race. A stupid idea - given it makes more difficult communication between crew members in racing conditions when the most noise is being made. It doesn't specify full face - tho even a half helmet would be awkward for techs reaching into tight spaces, especially two techs working side by side. I could see it if it were only when crew were assisting in fast bike changes in flag to .

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Alvaro Bautista had a good crack at injuring one of his mechanics last year, think it was Argentina. Though it was full leathers the boy needed as he went bouncing down pit lane.
Don't think the helmets are for wearing all the time either so working in tight spaces isn't a worry. Just for when bike swaps are taking place. Not full face either. Glorified bicycle helmets were being worn during FP at qatar.

do they need to wear helmets in the garage, during flag to flag running, or just when they are in the actual pit lane?

This is important also, I think, and I don't say it`s wrong they drop the penalty points system, but why now, why not before the start of the season?

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Disciplinary Regulations – Effective Immediately

Penalty points

Taking into consideration that the FIM MotoGP Stewards have many penalties options, the penalty points were no longer necessary. The Grand Prix penalty points are now withdrawn from the list of penalties.

Appeal against a decision of the FIM MotoGP Stewards

It was clarified that no appeal may be lodged if the FIM Appeal Stewards confirm the previous (disciplinary) decision of the FIM MotoGP Stewards. In this case, the decision of the FIM Appeal Stewards is final.

As long as Cal is still racing they should mandate that everone on the premises, including the rocks in the gravel pit to wear helmets. Can't be too cautious with him around

Hollywood said:

do they need to wear helmets in the garage, during flag to flag running, or just when they are in the actual pit lane?

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Pit lane

shovelhead said:

Pit lane

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No big deal eh Shovel? Your used to wearing a helmet at work

The helmet situation where riders are changing bikes during a flag to flag, fair enough. Scrapping the points system etc, so the powers that be can do what they like? Not sure how that'll work if Rossi starts getting desperate again.
Are they putting Uccio on the board next week? [emoji1]

gekko1ro said:

Penalty Points

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Dorna realize it's best to shitcan a ..... system in case the wrong rider is penetrated.


If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

exactly my thoughts

I read a blog from Kropo that said essentially - Dorna was inundated by angry letters and email from fans - as well as from most of the teams - because there was the strong perception (correct IMHO) that there was uneven and arbitrary use of penalty points.

I never liked the penalty points system, I felt it was only introduced to deter dangerous riding without actually having to penalise the rider and really only made life easier for race direction.

Riders either break the rules or they don't ... if you break the rules an immediate and swift penalty should be applied. The incident Rossi had with Marc in 2015 was deserving of a black flag IMHO but the fact they gave him 3 penalty points instead of 4 or 2 or 1 shows that the penalty points system can be manipulated by race direction to give the desired result. Cheating or dangerous riding should be a ride through penalty and causing another rider to crash should be a black flag .. keep it simple stupid.

AJV80 said:

Riders either break the rules or they don't ... if you break the rules an immediate and swift penalty should be applied. The incident Rossi had with Marc in 2015 was deserving of a black flag IMHO but the fact they gave him 3 penalty points instead of 4 or 2 or 1 shows that the penalty points system can be manipulated by race direction to give the desired result. Cheating or dangerous riding should be a ride through penalty and causing another rider to crash should be a black flag .. keep it simple stupid.

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Said at the time and will say again, where a rider breaks a rule the penalty must be seen as a deterrent to that rider and to mine, there is no way a penalty point or so is a deterrent.

By my way of thinking, there are already rules in place that account for poor, negligent and dangerous riding, just as there are rules for riders who ignore the flag and so forth.

For me, they ...... up the system by making all penalty points and not having a system that applied 1 point for every offence that was duly punished under the existing rules in place at the time. Then, if/when a rider accumulates X points they are suspended for a period of time.

In short, a double system if you will.

System 1 is the offence and subsequent penalty. Be that a fine for a pit lane offence, a black flag for dangerous riding or a time second penalty for a jump start/yellow flag infringement. This would be the equivalent of a fine that a driver must pay when they may receive an infringement notice from police for a driving offence (at least in NSW, the revenue raising goes on).

Them System 2 which is the 1 point for every offence for which the rider is punished but this is only 1 point per offence irrespective of the offence (as the rider should already be punished by system 1). In system 2, when a rider accumulates a set number of points within a set time period, a licence suspension applies. This is the same as the point applied to a licence (in NSW at least) where we have fines and points loss for some offences to the end result of losing 12 points in 3 years, we lose our licence and we only recoup the points when the 3 year anniversary of the offence is past

The only provision I place on system 2 is that the points can continue to accumulate even if/when a suspension has been experienced such that a further offence means a further suspension and so forth until the relevant anniversary applies and the points are deducted.

These people are professional racers, they know the rules and they know the risks thus they need to understand that stupidity will see you have a holiday.

As for RD and the like, this is where it becomes difficult as you would need to find a truly independent body who understand the sport in order to be close to having a truly subjective review board, and in reality that is not going to happen as to judge we need people with sport knowledge, and people with sport knowledge have bias. This is the tough part of the whole equation as no matter who is on any disciplinary panel, they will always be open to questions of bias, influence and what ever.