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Door always open for Stoner to return

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Seems Nakamoto san almost persuaded Stoner to reconsider.


From Speedcafe.
http://www.speedcafe.com/2013/01/14/honda-door-always-open-for-stoner-return/


 

Honda: Door always open for Stoner return
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Casey Stoner spent two seasons with the factory Honda team prior to his retirement



Motorcycling giant Honda says that it will re-sign recently retired rider Casey Stoner in a heartbeat should the Australian’s passion for MotoGP ever return.


Stoner hung up his leathers at the end of the 2012 season, allegedly knocking back a $15 million per year deal from Honda to continue racing.


The 27-year-old has yet to confirm any future racing plans but is expected to move into V8 Supercars’ second-tier Dunlop Series with category benchmark squad Triple Eight.


Far from resenting Stoner’s decision to walk out on its MotoGP program, the Honda Racing Corporation’s vice president Shuhei Nakamoto says the two-time world champion could slide straight back into the team should he wish to.


“Casey is a rider I really love. I couldn’t imagine anything better than racing with him,” said Nakamoto.


“We were constantly shocked that the bikes we had made could go so fast when Casey was in the saddle. When Casey is confident and relaxed about his riding, there is nobody in MotoGP who can come close.


“We held a farewell party for him on the Monday night after the Valencia GP. After the party was over, the two of us stayed on, chatting, and I found I couldn’t control my tears. I really felt so sad about him leaving MotoGP.


“The following day I was asked by a number of Casey’s friends what I said to him that night. When I asked why they wanted to know, they said that Casey, who had never wavered until then in his decision to retire, had said “maybe after all I should keep on racing…”


“Right from the first day Casey came to ride for Repsol Honda, pretty much every day he came up with something new that astonished us. I don’t know of any other rider that is such fun to work with.


“I hope he quickly recovers from his injury, and if he ever decides to come back he will find a warm welcome waiting. I told him that’s always on offer.”


Nakamoto also revealed that Stoner, who announced his retirement in April, 2012, first informed Honda of his plan to quit as early as October the previous year.


“It was after he won the Australian GP to secure the championship (that Casey first spoke of retirement),” he said.


“He still had one more year to run on his contract with us, so he said he would ride for Honda in 2012, but it was quite a shock to hear he wanted to retire.


“Ever since the season began, he kept saying he wanted to make his decision public. Naturally, we really wanted him to continue with us and repeatedly tried to persuade him to reconsider, but Casey’s mind was made up.


“It was at Round Four in France that he finally got his way and announced his plans during the Thursday Press Conference. I was OK with that, since I thought it would motivate him to win his final championship and retire in a blaze of glory.


“Unfortunately it didn’t turn out like that, but he still had a great final season.”


Stoner has been replaced in the factory Honda team for 2013 by 19-year-old Spaniard Marc Marquez, who last year won the Moto2 world title in dominant fashion.
 
The door may always be open to Mr. Quitter Stoner.

But the questions is -
Does Stoner has the guts to come back to MotoGP for a real challenge?
Is Stoner going to continue hiding in the lake?
 
Door is open... What a ....... surprise the door is open for the most successful rider of the last six years... what kind of an ..... would close it?


 


Oh, the one who posted above me... 
 
cuckoo bird
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The door may always be open to Mr. Quitter Stoner.


But the questions is -

Does Stoner has the guts to come back to MotoGP for a real challenge?

Is Stoner going to continue hiding in the lake?


Casey hires guys like you to wash his cars, cut his grass, feed his dogs, and clean his soiled clothing. He'd probably even hire someone to pay you so as not to be burdened by your stupidity.


He's got nothing to prove to the unwashed masses like yourself. Casey's got nothing to prove. Rossi's time on the Ducati is all the testament that'll ever be needed.
 
Stoner is the coward, the smart and the cunning all added up together.


Retire after being labelled the best due to Rossi's failure,....perfect timing.



Now, while hiding in the lakes away from new stronger challengers, Stoner enjoys -

- getting fans putting him on a legendary status (but only blind fans)

real Aussie fans would have labeled him a coward



- getting invited back by Honda, by leaving the door open.



What a big difference a timing makes. As I had said, Stoner, the coward, the smart, the cunning
 
levigarrett
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Casey hires guys like you to wash his cars, cut his grass, feed his dogs, and clean his soiled clothing. He'd probably even hire someone to pay you so as not to be burdened by your stupidity.


He's got nothing to prove to the unwashed masses like yourself. Casey's got nothing to prove. Rossi's time on the Ducati is all the testament that'll ever be needed.


Casey's got plenty to prove, he is still not even close to 30 yrs old. A real testament of a legend is his long term domination and competitiveness. Being dominant in random short period of years is not legend, anyone can do that.

Becoming a champ in Bridgestones with others on Michelin, and second time on all-conquering Honda is good achievement, but to be brought to greatness and legend status, he needs to beat new generation of riders and continue to beat his current rivals....he dares not face this.


Michael Doohan would have been ashamed that his compatriot chickened away from fresh challenge.

Doohan nearly lost his leg, yet came back, battled it out till 34 yrs, until another big high side put him out for good, and his physical conditions had put a strain on his ability to ride anymore, then only he stopped racing.

Thats what I call stuff of real legend and champion, not someone who went hiding away in the lakes in the face of new challenge.


Jack Brabham, the legendary Formula One champion from Australia, would have suffered a major heart attack upon hearing the news of his so-called fellow national hero Casey Stoner chickening out of the MotoGP challenge in a young and healthy state. Old and great man Brabham must be disgusted how can a champion walk away from the sports so that he can gurantee his level of greatness... Luckily Brabham is calm.
 
cuckoo bird
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Stoner is the coward, the smart and the cunning all added up together.


Retire after being labelled the best due to Rossi's failure,....perfect timing.



Now, while hiding in the lakes away from new stronger challengers, Stoner enjoys -

- getting fans putting him on a legendary status (but only blind fans)

real Aussie fans would have labeled him a coward



- getting invited back by Honda, by leaving the door open.



What a big difference a timing makes. As I had said, Stoner, the coward, the smart, the cunning


 


 


So I'm not a real Aussie fan and I'm blind. 


 


In a recent movie about persons of lower socio economic status, education, awareness employability, personal hygiene  avoidance of criminality and so on an exploration (at comedic level) was made of persons who label things un-Australian.


 


It is the ultimate lowest class of argument, and I'm afraid that MH has erred, that you would pull that one out nearly labels you as completely and utterly unemployable. The closest you are going to get to understanding Stoner is stealing his mobile phone while he at the beach. 


 


I am also annoyed because I put you on my ignore list and then responded to your stupid trolling. 


 


A cup of tea should sort that out. 
 
Why ignore some of the best ignorance on here in some time? I'm gonna just keep poking at it! (but not directly enough so there is understanding... just enough to amuse myself!!)
 
Oh OK, Mick D. We'll wander on with the thicky.


Dear Mr Bird,

Black Jack still has the first penny he earned. He'd be doing a Scrooge McDuck in a flash if he was offered what Casey had dangled in front of him. "Racing? I'm riiich, biiitch!"

Love and Light,

Dr No.
 
cuckoo bird
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Michael Doohan would have been ashamed that his compatriot chickened away from fresh challenge.


 


I don't think MotoGP has been much of a competitive challenge for Stoner. Casey is the most successful rider, since he obtained factory equipment in 2007. Casey is also the king of the 800cc formula so Stoner literally has an era to his name. Casey's challenge has been persevering through interpersonal conflict and political brinksmanship. I suspect he reacted strongly to Nakamoto's tears because MotoGP has been such a troublesome occupation away from the track, and Nakamoto's sentiment made Casey wonder if he hadn't judged the MotoGP paddock incorrectly.


 


Incident 1: After Casey won his first title, Bridgestone stopped making his tire. To make matters worse, Dorna either coerced Bridgestone into supplying Rossi, or Bridgestone decided to supply Rossi, though Stoner/Ducati had just brought Bstone their first riders title. Since the emergency tire meetings at the close of the 2007 season, the Ducati GP has never handled properly.


 


Incident 2: Casey is booed at Donnington in 2008 for no particular reason after a comfortable win. No official rebuke by Dorna, Ducati, the FIM, the MSMA. A few journalists and riders express embarrassement and confusion.


 


Incident 3: One month after Donnington, Rossi endangered Stoner's well being in corkscrew while attempting a desperate move that was clearly outside the confines of the sporting regulations. Dorna didn't care. The FIM didn't care. IRTA, which includes the riders commission, lodged no complaint. The fans didn't really care. Everyone was high on a good race with an unexpected result by Rossi. The rulebook was an inconvenience.


 


Incident 4: During Stoner's 'mystery illness', Arrivabene publicly criticized Stoner for taking a leave of absence, but he waited until Stoner had traveled to another continent in a different hemisphere. Maybe Casey wasn't returning Marlboro's calls? :blink:


 


Incident 5: After Casey won his second title in 2011, but Bridgestone changed the tires again. The last minute changes caused the Honda to develop chatter. This was the moment, imo, that Casey decided to retire, especially after Simoncelli's untimely demise.


 


If you let Casey pick out his bike and tires, as was customary for factory riders prior to 2008/2009, MotoGP isn't a terribly challenging for Stoner. If you handicap Stoner by hobbling his bike with tire changes, MotoGP looks like a challenge for him. The same can be said for Rossi. You've got to hobble his M1 and his riding style with fuel restrictions. Then take away his SNS Michelins, and then put him on a bunk Ducati for at least 2 seasons. You may remember that Rossi was genuinely beside himself with rage in 2007, when he was on the receiving end of paddock politics for the first time.
 
No need to write all that, Lex.


Just remind Cockoo that Doohan was quite capable of chickening out of a challenge: Yamaha's offer.
 
Big Jorge
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Are we likely to see Casey at Phillip Island for a 1 off race?

 

Or is he done for a while.


If rules and situation permits, Stoner will definitely be interested in a one off race.

He has got nothing to lose.


If he wins or podiums, he is the best ever, winning or top three despite not having competitive racing at all.

If he loses and not competitive, he can blame it on the excuse of not having competitive racing.

Stoner has a chance to enhance his reputation without risking damaging his previous achievements.


See this guy Stoner is smart and cunning and a coward, he knows what works out best for him.
 
mylexicon
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Incident 1: After Casey won his first title, Bridgestone stopped making his tire. To make matters worse, Dorna either coerced Bridgestone into supplying Rossi, or Bridgestone decided to supply Rossi, though Stoner/Ducati had just brought Bstone their first riders title. Since the emergency tire meetings at the close of the 2007 season, the Ducati GP has never handled properly.

 

Incident 2: Casey is booed at Donnington in 2008 for no particular reason after a comfortable win. No official rebuke by Dorna, Ducati, the FIM, the MSMA. A few journalists and riders express embarrassement and confusion.

 


 



Incident 1 - Stoner was very vocal at the end of 2007 when he found out that Rossi will also get Bridgestones tires. Stoner was absolutely livid and lashing out at everyone, especially Rossi for not sticking to Michelin when they lose. Many many typical Stoner Moans.


In actual fact, Stoner was right to be pissed off, because he is a coward, he knows he will face a much stronger challenge in 2008 when Rossi + great handling M1 + Bridgestones combo is there to try take away title from him.

Only a coward like Stoner will be afraid of such challenges in 2008 and pissed off moaning at everything.

A true legend would have accepted fate and try to rise to the challenge, not complaining and moaning around.


Incident 2 -

Donington fans are smart people, they know what is a coward when they see one. Donington fans see a coward sign written all over the face of Casey Stoner when he started lashing out all sorts of moans directed at everyone for allowing Rossi to get on Bridgestones to have equal chance of success to Stoner.
 
cuckoo bird
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Incident 1 - Stoner was very vocal at the end of 2007 when he found out that Rossi will also get Bridgestones tires. Stoner was absolutely livid and lashing out at everyone, especially Rossi for not sticking to Michelin when they lose. Many many typical Stoner Moans.


In actual fact, Stoner was right to be pissed off, because he is a coward, he knows he will face a much stronger challenge in 2008 when Rossi + great handling M1 + Bridgestones combo is there to try take away title from him.

Only a coward like Stoner will be afraid of such challenges in 2008 and pissed off moaning at everything.

A true legend would have accepted fate and try to rise to the challenge, not complaining and moaning around.


Incident 2 -

Donington fans are smart people, they know what is a coward when they see one. Donington fans see a coward sign written all over the face of Casey Stoner when he started lashing out all sorts of moans directed at everyone for allowing Rossi to get on Bridgestones to have equal chance of success to Stoner.


Ok, we get it, he is not a legend or the messiah, he is just a naughty boy.


 


Perhaps you can elucidate the cowardly fashion in which he rode the ducati for 4 years for 23 wins, described by jerry burgess as basically crashing in very corner then saving the bike, which no other rider including valentino cared to emulate.
 
mylexicon
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I don't think MotoGP has been much of a competitive challenge for Stoner. Casey is the most successful rider, since he obtained factory equipment in 2007. Casey is also the king of the 800cc formula so Stoner literally has an era to his name. Casey's challenge has been persevering through interpersonal conflict and political brinksmanship. I suspect he reacted strongly to Nakamoto's tears because MotoGP has been such a troublesome occupation away from the track, and Nakamoto's sentiment made Casey wonder if he hadn't judged the MotoGP paddock incorrectly.


 


Incident 1: After Casey won his first title, Bridgestone stopped making his tire. To make matters worse, Dorna either coerced Bridgestone into supplying Rossi, or Bridgestone decided to supply Rossi, though Stoner/Ducati had just brought Bstone their first riders title. Since the emergency tire meetings at the close of the 2007 season, the Ducati GP has never handled properly.


 


Incident 2: Casey is booed at Donnington in 2008 for no particular reason after a comfortable win. No official rebuke by Dorna, Ducati, the FIM, the MSMA. A few journalists and riders express embarrassement and confusion.


 


Incident 3: One month after Donnington, Rossi endangered Stoner's well being in corkscrew while attempting a desperate move that was clearly outside the confines of the sporting regulations. Dorna didn't care. The FIM didn't care. IRTA, which includes the riders commission, lodged no complaint. The fans didn't really care. Everyone was high on a good race with an unexpected result by Rossi. The rulebook was an inconvenience.


 


Incident 4: During Stoner's 'mystery illness', Arrivabene publicly criticized Stoner for taking a leave of absence, but he waited until Stoner had traveled to another continent in a different hemisphere. Maybe Casey wasn't returning Marlboro's calls? :blink:


 


Incident 5: After Casey won his second title in 2011, but Bridgestone changed the tires again. The last minute changes caused the Honda to develop chatter. This was the moment, imo, that Casey decided to retire, especially after Simoncelli's untimely demise.


 


If you let Casey pick out his bike and tires, as was customary for factory riders prior to 2008/2009, MotoGP isn't a terribly challenging for Stoner. If you handicap Stoner by hobbling his bike with tire changes, MotoGP looks like a challenge for him. The same can be said for Rossi. You've got to hobble his M1 and his riding style with fuel restrictions. Then take away his SNS Michelins, and then put him on a bunk Ducati for at least 2 seasons. You may remember that Rossi was genuinely beside himself with rage in 2007, when he was on the receiving end of paddock politics for the first time.


My reading of the 2009 illness thing is that marlboro and ducati management told him because their orthopaedic surgeons could find nothing wrong with him that it was all in his head (they were fond of such explanations, including making a psychiatric diagnosis on marco melandri rather than accepting any deficiencies in their bike) and that stoner decided to seek his own medical advice from people he trusted.


 


I think them changing the tyres and weight so late for the 2012 season was the final straw for him, given that there was no such reaction to doohan winning 5 in a row or to rossi winning 3 in a row on a honda. He may have been wrong  that this was  aimed at him as you have also argued.  I think marco simoncelli's death in association with him becoming a father also weighed heavily whatever he himself said.   
 
michaelm
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Ok, we get it, he is not a legend or the messiah, he is just a naughty boy.

 

Perhaps you can elucidate the cowardly fashion in which he rode the ducati for 4 years for 23 wins, described by jerry burgess as basically crashing in very corner then saving the bike, which no other rider including valentino cared to emulate.


All riders when they are out on the track are brave, its their nature to ride the beast no ordiniary people could do,...within a few tenths of each other. No one is arguing on that.


But Stoner is a coward because -

- he is afraid of real rival on same tires in 2008

- he dares not face new challenges in 2013, especially when he sees potential of Marc Marquez coming through the ranks. Stoner cowardly quits so that the unofficial title of best rider of the generation will become intact after Rossi failed on the Ducati.

If Marc Marquez does beat him on same Honda, then Stoner's aura of invincibility will just disappear, like what happened to Rossi. Stoner is too coward to compete and risk such scenario happening.


A true warrior will continue to face new challenges, whatever the world throw at him, a true warrior will never run away and hide in the lakes fishing when there is a new potential challenge arising.
 
michaelm
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My reading of the 2009 illness thing is that marlboro and ducati management told him because their orthopaedic surgeons could find nothing wrong with him that it was all in his head (they were fond of such explanations, including making a psychiatric diagnosis on marco melandri rather than accepting any deficiencies in their bike) and that stoner decided to seek his own medical advice from people he trusted.

 

I think them changing the tyres and weight so late for the 2012 season was the final straw for him, given that there was no such reaction to doohan winning 5 in a row or to rossi winning 3 in a row on a honda. He may have been wrong  that this was  aimed at him as you have also argued.  I think marco simoncelli's death in association with him becoming a father also weighed heavily whatever he himself said.   
2009 mysterious illness thing was just an excuse given by a coward. If the illness is true, why Ducati's professional doctor could not find anything wrong with Stoner? Why does Stoner has to come out with stories of seeking his own doctor without sharing any details,...very fishy story. The story is too mysterious, only logical explanations is that Stoner made up the whole story.


In hindsight, if Stoner would have known that Rossi could not ride the Ducati, he would not have come out with such illness nonsense. Beginning of 2009, he could not get better of Rossi due to ill handling Ducati, he thought Rossi was better, thus this coward comes out with some illness and puking in helmet syndrome as an excuse to explain why he can't beat the champion. Stoner the coward could not handle the pressure of being beaten by Rossi two years in a row (2008 and 2009) after he thought he was the best ever in 2007.


But what Stoner did not know back then in 2009 was that he is the only rider who can ride a Ducati fast, he only found it out in 2011 and 2012.

If the whole world knows that in 2009, then Stoner probably would continuing competing without falling ill in 2009...and Stoner probably would not come out with such cowardly excuses..



As for Stoner's retirement's reasons such as -

- changing tire spec late in 2012, thus Stonner getting pissed off with racing

- becoming a father

- Simoncelli's death

These are all just excuses made up by Stoner so that he would not be seen as a coward for running away from the new stronger challenges in 2013.
 
cuckoo bird
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2009 illness thing was just an excuse given by a coward. If the illness is true, why Ducati's professional doctor could not find anything wrong with Stoner? Why does Stoner has to come out with stories of seeking his own doctor without sharing any details,...very fishy story.

In hindsight, if Stoner would have known that Rossi could not ride the Ducati, he would not have come out with such illness nonsense. Beginning of 2009, he could not get better of Rossi due to ill handling Ducati, he thought Rossi was better, thus this coward comes out with some illness and puking in helmet syndrome as an excuse as why he can't beat the champion. Stoner the coward could not handle the pressure of being beaten by Rossi two years in a row (2008 and 2009) after he thought he was the best ever in 2007.


But what Stoner did not know back then in 2009 was that he is the only rider who can ride a Ducati fast, he only found it out in 2011 and 2012.

If the whole world knows that in 2009, then Stoner probably would continuing competing without falling ill in 2009...and Stoner probably would not come out with such cowardly excuses..



As for Stoner's retirement's reasons such as -

- changing tire spec late in 2012, thus Stonner getting pissed off with racing

- becoming a father

- Simoncelli's death

These are all just excuses made up by Stoner so that he would not be seen as a coward for running away from the new stronger challenges in 2013.


It is fairly pointless arguing with someone as linguistically and logically challenged as you would appear to be, but stoner did not mention simoncelli's death, tyre changes or fatherhood as contributing to his retirement, and at the time he retired there was no deal for rossi to return to yamaha and under the existing rule marquez who at that time had not won a moto 2 championship could not be on a factory bike for the 2013 season even if he joined the premier class which had not been determined. He is also a rider who has always allowed team-mates free access to his data unlike some, including his team-mate of the last 2 years, rather inconsistent with your assessment of him as fearing the challenge of other riders.


 


I see that your expertise extends to video medicine as well as you apparently being a bike rider of such standing that you can judge the bravery of premier class gp riders, all of whom are incredibly brave almost by definition.


 


I think we have established that you are not michael doohan or jack brabham. It would also seem unlikely that you are alex criville or jorge lorenzo either, the only 2 spaniards of whom I am aware in any position to judge stoner's courage as a rider, particularly given that both these riders respect stoner.
 

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